Discussion: MSNBC And Other Left-Leaning Media Outlets

I always liked Olbermann.

Olbermann was pretty good when he first started. But then he just became hateful and vile towards anyone who didn't agree with him as he became more and more prominent.
 
I think you forgot the Socialist Party programming that Axl watches at 3 am.
 
I don't know what gets counted as mainstream anymore, really. I see people trying to claim that Fox News isn't mainstream...when I think it is.

I wonder where Olbermann will end up next. Dude seems to obliterate every bridge he's ever crossed.
 
I don't know what gets counted as mainstream anymore, really. I see people trying to claim that Fox News isn't mainstream...when I think it is.
CNN, Fox News, MSNBC/NBC News, CBS News, ABC News are the mainstream news sources.

I wonder where Olbermann will end up next. Dude seems to obliterate every bridge he's ever crossed.
I don't see him getting hired ever again. He's burned far too many bridges (ESPN, Fox Sports, MSNBC, and Current TV) to the point where the other media companies that haven't hired him yet (Time Warner and CBS) won't do so because his obvious lack of professionalism. Getting fired by Current TV is beyond a low point for Olbermann.
 

You need to take into account that the American Left is different than the left in most countries. If the American Left was like the Left in other countries, it would have absolutely no success whatsoever with the exception of a few areas such as San Fransisco and Vermont. In order to have any success and bring about progressive change, they have to adopt to the fact that the United States is a center-right nation.
 
CNN, Fox News, MSNBC/NBC News, CBS News, ABC News are the mainstream news sources.


I don't see him getting hired ever again. He's burned far too many bridges (ESPN, Fox Sports, MSNBC, and Current TV) to the point where the other media companies that haven't hired him yet (Time Warner and CBS) won't do so because his obvious lack of professionalism. Getting fired by Current TV is beyond a low point for Olbermann.

I agree, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC and CBS are maintstream.

The only one I ever hear getting "debated" is Fox News. Mostly, by them, actually.

I don't see where he can wind up next. I guess CNN might take the bait, since they seem to want to try and match Fox and MSNBC.

But, I still think that's a longshot.

For what it's worth, I think Olbermann had good points against Current TV. The lights going out more than once during his broadcast is pretty ****ing incredible.
 
I agree, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, NBC News, ABC and CBS are maintstream.

The only one I ever hear getting "debated" is Fox News. Mostly, by them, actually.
People who debate that Fox News isn't mainstream are a bunch of butt hurt liberals who can't stand the fact that the #1 news network is Fox.

I don't see where he can wind up next. I guess CNN might take the bait, since they seem to want to try and match Fox and MSNBC.
But CNN is attempting to be the centrist answer to Fox and MSNBC and hiring Olbermann will not do that. Also, I doubt that any news organization will want to hire someone as unprofessional and unruly as Olbermann.

For what it's worth, I think Olbermann had good points against Current TV. The lights going out more than once during his broadcast is pretty ****ing incredible.
Well come on, it's freaking Current TV. Nobody watches Current TV. You might as well be watching an underfunded public access show. It's the Air America of television.
 
You need to take into account that the American Left is different than the left in most countries. If the American Left was like the Left in other countries, it would have absolutely no success whatsoever with the exception of a few areas such as San Fransisco and Vermont. In order to have any success and bring about progressive change, they have to adopt to the fact that the United States is a center-right nation.

Most definitely. People say Obama is a "socialist", when in fact he's very far from it based on the decisions he's made and even in theory. We do still live in a "conservative" country, or "center right" nation, as you said, and "liberal" public policy here is still very conservative elsewhere.
 
People who debate that Fox News isn't mainstream are a bunch of butt hurt liberals who can't stand the fact that the #1 news network is Fox.

I don't really view FOX or MSNBC as "mainstream news". Both have to much of an agenda to promote then actually covering stories unbiasly.
 
People who debate that Fox News isn't mainstream are a bunch of butt hurt liberals who can't stand the fact that the #1 news network is Fox.

Well, sure.

But, also conservatives. The same people on Fox News deny that they are mainstream.

Right after touting their ratings as number one in cable news.

But CNN is attempting to be the centrist answer to Fox and MSNBC and hiring Olbermann will not do that. Also, I doubt that any news organization will want to hire someone as unprofessional and unruly as Olbermann.

I don't know about that. I think CNN has dabbled in leaning left and right. I think they're desperate enough to reach for a ratings booster with Olbermann.

I agree it's a risk, no doubt. But they're the only ones I can think of being crazy enough and desperate enough to go for it.

Well come on, it's freaking Current TV. Nobody watches Current TV. You might as well be watching an underfunded public access show. It's the Air America of television.

True.

But, they did apparently commit to fixing that. They didn't...and well...yeah.
 
Well come on, it's freaking Current TV. Nobody watches Current TV. You might as well be watching an underfunded public access show. It's the Air America of television.
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Olbermann probably got more attention from the firing than his entire stay at Current.
 
I don't really view FOX or MSNBC as "mainstream news". Both have to much of an agenda to promote then actually covering stories unbiasly.

They're both incredibly biased, but they are watched by millions of viewers and are used as a primary source of news information by many.
 
But, also conservatives. The same people on Fox News deny that they are mainstream.

Right after touting their ratings as number one in cable news.
I would like to call those people ******ed.

I don't know about that. I think CNN has dabbled in leaning left and right. I think they're desperate enough to reach for a ratings booster with Olbermann.
But CNN appears to be sticking to it's current centrist direction

I agree it's a risk, no doubt. But they're the only ones I can think of being crazy enough and desperate enough to go for it.
While CNN may be lacking in the ratings, they're not desperate enough to bring in Olbermann, he's far, far, far too much of a hassle.
 
Olbermann should move to satellite radio. That seems a better fit for him.
 
They're both incredibly biased, but they are watched by millions of viewers and are used as a primary source of news information by many.

Well both are on par with John Stewart or Bill Maher in terms of actual news coverage.
 
There's American television news more left than Current TV?

There isn't. That's the whole problem.

The face-palm was more about the fact that many Americans think you can't get more left than Current TV without removing yourself from the "mainstream".

I think you forgot the Socialist Party programming that Axl watches at 3 am.

You can't tell me that such a program, if it existed, wouldn't be a hundred times better than the corporate pap you see on Fox News, CNN and MSNBC - celebrity garbage, government propaganda (there's Rachel Maddow waving the flag in Afghanistan!), inane tweets and narcissistic media navel-gazing.

Good article by David Sirota on how removed corporate media is from traditional notions of journalism:

A journalism-free news media

This [...] is why a disproportionate amount of “news” today isn’t actually about expensive-to-report events and stories happening in the real world. It’s more often than not the cheap-to-report reaction (or reaction-to-a-reaction) to some outburst uttered by non-journalists in the media bubble. Think: Geraldo Rivera on Trayvon Martin, Rush Limbaugh on Sandra Fluke, and Bill Maher on Limbaugh on Fluke. In other words, in a journalism-free news media, news is most often what Daniel Boorstin famously called a “spectacle” — events, controversies and scandals almost wholly conjured by the media itself.
This is what you get when the chief decision driving news coverage is the profit motive.

You need to take into account that the American Left is different than the left in most countries. If the American Left was like the Left in other countries, it would have absolutely no success whatsoever with the exception of a few areas such as San Fransisco and Vermont. In order to have any success and bring about progressive change, they have to adopt to the fact that the United States is a center-right nation.

We hear the "centre-right nation" canard all the time, but the facts don't really bear it out. The majority of Americans support Medicare and Social Security, want the nation to withdraw from foreign wars, etc.

Over 90% of Americans disapprove of Congress. There's a huge alienation from a government that clearly isn't working for the majority.

The American left placed its hopes in Obama, who (like Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter) governed from the right. But so did independents - and that's the key. Obama rode a general revulsion against the right-wing policies of Bush to victory. Clearly people wanted something different, and it wasn't cautious corporate centrism. The whole theme of Obama's campaign was "change", and even though it was a cynical marketing strategy, it clearly appealed to a deep yearning in people for something different.

In the end, people just want concrete results that will better their living situation. If leadership is lacking on the left, they'll keep turning to the right.
 
America is a fairly right of the center country, especially compared to the rest of the developed world. That's something you have to take into account.

Not that it matters, since the mainstream media has no credibility.
 
I would say that the discourse of American politics is certainly more to the right than Europe. But those who talk about Europe as some kind of social democratic paradise ignore the neoliberal policies that have been adopted all over the world in the last few decades, including Europe.

The main difference is that they have universal health care. But social programs are attack in Europe and Canada just as they are in the United States. Wherever you are, the rhetoric is all about cutting spending and encouraging the private sector.
 
America is a fairly right of the center country, especially compared to the rest of the developed world. That's something you have to take into account.

Not that it matters, since the mainstream media has no credibility.


I don't know if America is as right of center as people let on. I just think they're the most vocal. They seem to be more motivated. Half of Americans don't vote. I'd wager a guess that most of them aren't conservatives in a majority of their views. A lot of them probably just feel disenfranchised and they think that it doesn't matter if they vote or not. The perception is brought on by a vocal right and the fact that a lot of corporate money is being used to promote republicans in the media.
 
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I don't know if America is as right of center as people let on. I just think they're the most vocal. They seem to be more motivated. Half of Americans don't vote. I'd wager a guess that most of them aren't conservatives in a majority of their views. A lot of them probably just feel disenfranchised and they think that it doesn't matter if they vote or not. The perception is brought on by a vocal right and the fact that a lot of corporate money is being used to promote republicans in the media.

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