Discussion: Online Piracy, Net Neutrality, Killswitch, and Other Internet Issues

[Dr Lee]

with all due respect to the people who will have worked hard to make the report....

but obvious report is obvious......

 

[wiegeabo]

Unfortunately, Hollywood will only listen to these obvious reports, rather than consumer demand.

And by listen, I mean completely ignore and put out their own ******** reports that say exactly what they want them to say.

 

[terry78]

I know all the flowery, hippie-dippie down with the man reasons people give for downloading as opposed to actually buying a product, but basically if you really support the cats, you'd buy their ****, point blank. That's how I feel about it.

 

[Victarion]

I'd never buy Dragonball Evolution.

 

[Lighthouse]

Again, I don't endorse online piracy, but I think the Oatmeal sums this up about as best as you could.

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

EDIT: Damn link to my PBucket picture isn't working. Just click the link.

 

[wiegeabo]

That's about it.

These companies need to start realizing that we're willing to pay for stuff if we can get it online now and watch when we want. It's a new market just waiting and willing to be exploited.

Until then, they'll continue to lose money to piracy. And spending millions on lawyers to stop piracy just wastes their money (and ours) because the internet sees censorship as network damage and just routes around it.

 

[WildcatNC]

They WILL eventually lock it down. Its just a matter of time. They will eventually be charging us for the air we breathe. All the freshwater is being bought up already.

 

[wiegeabo]

They can't lock it down without breaking the internet. It's the way the internet was designed from the beginning. They just don't understand that.

 

[dnno1]

The Pirate Bay could be blocked in UK
Filesharing site unlawfully shares copyrighted music, says UK high court

 

[dnno1]

They can't lock it down without breaking the internet. It's the way the internet was designed from the beginning. They just don't understand that.

You mean the Internet can't be broken nor totally locked down. I think the PTB understand that but what they want is to prevent online piracy. I was reading something from the FCC just the other day that was saying that the most effective way to stop online piracy is to create legislation targeting its source of funding, not by making American ISP's social networks, blogs and search engines censor the Internet or undermine the existing laws that have enabled the Web to thrive.

 

[wiegeabo]

You mean the Internet can't be broken nor totally locked down. I think the PTB understand that but what they want is to prevent online piracy. I was reading something from the FCC just the other day that was saying that the most effective way to stop online piracy is to create legislation targeting its source of funding, not by making American ISP's social networks, blogs and search engines censor the Internet or undermine the existing laws that have enabled the Web to thrive.

The internet was built from the ground up to stay online even after nuclear attacks wiped out entire sections of it (it was a DARPA project, after all). A few companies or legislators isn't going to stop it.

And the best way to combat online piracy is to start filling the demand of the pirates. Stop viewing them as criminals, and start viewing them as a market that's not being exploited.

Make it easier to download legally than it is to download illegally, and watch piracy plummet. People will gladly pay for convenience and a guaranteed level of quality. Dave Matthews Band pretty much eliminated the bootlegs of their live concerts by actually recording and selling the concerts themselves. The bootlegs disappeared, and they made a lot more money. Just like the iTunes Store put a huge dent in music piracy because all the people who were craving a source for digital music finally got one.

 

[dnno1]

The internet was built from the ground up to stay online even after nuclear attacks wiped out entire sections of it (it was a DARPA project, after all). A few companies or legislators isn't going to stop it.

That's absolutely correct, and is why it can not be broken nor locked down completely.

And the best way to combat online piracy is to start filling the demand of the pirates. Stop viewing them as criminals, and start viewing them as a market that's not being exploited.

Make it easier to download legally than it is to download illegally, and watch piracy plummet. People will gladly pay for convenience and a guaranteed level of quality. Dave Matthews Band pretty much eliminated the bootlegs of their live concerts by actually recording and selling the concerts themselves. The bootlegs disappeared, and they made a lot more money. Just like the iTunes Store put a huge dent in music piracy because all the people who were craving a source for digital music finally got one.

No this is not true. These people are committing a crime by either stealing people's work without their consent or facilitating others in doing so. So long as the copyright holders are offended by this, it can not stand nor go unnoticed. We might take if for granted, but people work very hard and spend a lot of money creating the works that they do, and it is very upsetting to them to see people give it away (in many cases at a lesser quality) without their consent, compensation, or control of the quality of the media. Under the law these guys are criminals and deserve what they get (if at all they can be caught). They can participate in the market place so long as they play by the rules (which other outfits like Napster and BitTorrent have done already).

 

[Destructus86]

They can't lock it down without breaking the internet. It's the way the internet was designed from the beginning. They just don't understand that.

If the government is willing to step on the constitution whenever it feels like it...locking the internet down isn't really that far fetched.

 

[BillPardy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmW1o6rzI7g&sns=fb

Nice.

 

[wiegeabo]

If the government is willing to step on the constitution whenever it feels like it...locking the internet down isn't really that far fetched.

The point is, the government physically can't lock down the internet unless it's willing to shut down the ISPs.

Short of turning the internet off, and destroying e-commerce (about the only growing segment of the economy), there's always ways around it.

 

[wiegeabo]

Wish this was bigger

 

[Kane52630]

This is very true, especially on Disney's blu rays.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

If you fork over extra money for a special edition, there should be no ads in the beginning.

 

[Lighthouse]

Finally, somebody very high up gets it.

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes: TV And Movie Industries “Need To Fix” On Demand

He also wants the movie industry to expand its online presence. Although home video revenues are declining, Bewkes says that “the encouraging news is we don’t have a demand issue.” The problem for the studios is that people are buying less and renting more, especially from low-cost providers led by Redbox and Netflix. He says that Hollywood shares some of the blame. “It has not been easy to buy a movie digitally to manage your digital collection and to watch it on the device of your choosing, particularly the television,” he says. As a result, “the industry has come to a crossroads. We know consumers want to buy today, but they can’t do it with the ease and functionality that they have come to expect. We need to fix that and we should fix it quickly.

 

[JMan2003]

Yeah Congress is at it again, they are trying to secretly pass a bill very similiar to SOPA/PIPA into law soon:

http://www.examiner.com/progressive...onal-plan-to-censor-internet-concerns-critics

On a different forum I was surfing through, it turns out that Arizona is also trying to pass an Internet Censorship law as well. More details below:

http://www.technolog.msnbc.msn.com/technology/technolog/arizona-law-would-censor-internet-631407

Whether or not If the Arizona bill is as dangerous as the CISPA bill that Congress is trying to pass through is up for debate I suppose.

 

[SV Fan]

Yeah Congress is at it again, they are trying to secretly pass a bill very similiar to SOPA/PIPA into law soon:

http://www.examiner.com/progressive...onal-plan-to-censor-internet-concerns-critics

If at first you don't succeed try and try again.

 

[Victarion]

Those sneaky bastards.

 

[SV Fan]

Those sneaky bastards.

It happens alot of times in politics. When something gets striked down due to people complaining about it, politicans will go in hiding and come back 3-6 months later and just re-do the bill and try paint it up differently

I wouldn't be surprised if they try pass it off as some anti porn bill to get support for it

 

[Thundercrack85]

Looks like they're going back to salami tactics. Instead of one big bill, they'll eat away at the internet one bill at a time.

 

[Paradoxium]

Been a while jman. Hope things going good for you.