Discussion: The Bilderberg Group

[Kelly]

Okay, let's just say that, hypothetically, there is a "New World Order." How does this change anything? How does this affect your individual life? Why does it even matter?

That would depend on what that means....depends on the policies of that New World Order....am I as a US citizen going to have to follow the laws of a New World Order???? Will this New World Order, follow what I believe is Repubic, a democratic form or government?

Yeah, depending on what that New World Order DOES, very well could affect my individual live and it would matter....

 

[The Senator]

All of this is utter silliness. These Ron Paul-sponsored conspiracy theories are just as intellectually lopsided as the conspiracies which claim the Bush administration was directly responsible for 9/11.

 

[Paradoxium]

Well first off, printing trillions of dollars = massive inflation no matter how you slice it and that is precisely what they're doing.

Second, they don't subscribe to Keynesian ********.

No it is not as simple as printing up the money supply, while I agree inflation is inevitable it is NOT RIGHT NOW. You are missing out on the intricacies of credit and money velocity. Even Mr. Doomsday Peter Schiff acknowledge the money velocity issue and he has been screaming about inflation. The indicators all show deflation right now. You don't need to be Austrian or Keynesian to see this.

That said, something like gold is good either in inflation or deflation, that is why it is up from its 700 lows. Though I think it will trough down a bit before going up.

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And yes they do subscribe to Keynes, it's pretty much what they teach in every college, along with the Chicago school and Neo Keynesian (synthesis of Keynes and Monetarist) Economics. These schools deal with fiat based economies. Whether these school of thoughts are completely bullet proof is another story.

Bernake is pumping credits into the system because he mistakenly believes the situation is similar the Great Depression. Unlike the depression, this is a failure of insolvent banks, the depression saw tons of bank runs - ergo pump credits into the system to sustain them. He is effectively pumping money into blackholes to keep them in a zombified state.

 

[Kelly]

All of this is utter silliness. These Ron Paul-sponsored conspiracy theories are just as intellectually lopsided as the conspiracies which claim the Bush administration was directly responsible for 9/11.

Oh, I agree, its not like I'm worried about those things, and going to lose sleep over them tonight...

 

[Paradoxium]

When he says her parent are Jewish it is taken by some that he is implying that she rejected her Jewish roots


Yeah, Jones is far from the worse and that's the problem. Like I said previously, I think he is racist and anti-semitic but he also doesn't condone violence, which is way some of the group turns against him.

Plus you have to wonder how trusting a bunch of paranoid idiots can be.

I am not sold that he is anti semetic. At least based on the video and some articles. He seems more of a politically incorrect polemic. Despite the narrative he cooks up - there are some parts that are still interesting and valid if you can critically decipher it on your own. It is not my style to completely discount people if they are politically incorrect, but it does not mean I think they are 100% right either.

 

[Addendum]

First off, I intentionally did NOT condescend to anyone or say they are asleep or whatever ***********************************.

Second, I gave a pretty good chunk of facts that are a perfect starting point to pursuing this on your own. It's some pretty heavy ****, if I could prove it with a single post on the internet they wouldn't be running things like they are, would they?

AND I posted a video that goes into deep detail about the topic. So quit getting so pissed off at me, jeez.

You're certainly getting worked up over people who don't agree with you and I'm the one who is pissed off?

 

[Mr. Green]

No it is not as simple as printing up the money supply, while I agree inflation is inevitable it is NOT RIGHT NOW. You are missing out on the intricacies of credit and money velocity. Even Mr. Doomsday Peter Schiff acknowledge the money velocity issue and he has been screaming about inflation. The indicators all show deflation right now. You don't need to be Austrian or Keynesian to see this.

That said, something like gold is good either in inflation or deflation, that is why it is up from its 700 lows. Though I think it will trough down a bit before going up.

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And yes they do subscribe to Keynes, it's pretty much what they teach in every college, along with the Chicago school and Neo Keynesian (synthesis of Keynes and Monetarist) Economics. These schools deal with fiat based economies. Whether these school of thoughts are completely bullet proof is another story.

Bernake is pumping credits into the system because he mistakenly believes the situation is similar the Great Depression. Unlike the depression, this is a failure of insolvent banks, the depression saw tons of bank runs - ergo pump credits into the system to sustain them. He is effectively pumping money into blackholes to keep them in a zombified state.

So you're saying that John D. Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, and JP Morgan started the Fed, not so they could get insanely rich and powerful, but because they just wanted to do good Keynesian economics. In 1913. BEFORE it was taught at every college.

John D. Rockefeller once said, "Competition is a sin." These aren't people with the "good intentions." They're greedy and they have vast resources.

 

[Mr. Green]

You're certainly getting worked up over people who don't agree with you and I'm the one who is pissed off?

I wasn't getting mad and my post had absolutely nothing to do with you not agreeing with me.

 

[Paradoxium]

So you're saying that John D. Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, and JP Morgan started the Fed, not so they could get insanely rich and powerful, but because they just wanted to do good Keynesian economics. In 1913. BEFORE it was taught at every college.

John D. Rockefeller once said, "Competition is a sin." These aren't people with the "good intentions." They're greedy and they have vast resources.

1. No it is the hubris of men who think they can improve economic conditions (a wildly complex system) via fiat currency. But they completely discount the frailties of human nature and the law of unintended consequences. Whereas gold has a certain restraint or honesty to quell such frailties. Hence the problems we have today.

2. The Keynesian school is meant to give intellectual grounding on giant deficit spending and to control the economy (indirectly or directly).

3. A couple months ago there was a economic forum (and I posted about this) where Prime Minister Wen and Putin discuss the idea of global basket of currencies instead of putting all eggs in one basket. This contradicts the idea of one dominant world currency.

 

[Mr. Green]

1. No it is the hubris of men who think they can improve economic conditions (a wildly complex system) via fiat currency. But they completely discount the frailties of human nature and the law of unintended consequences. Whereas gold has a certain restraint or honesty to quell such frailties. Hence the problems we have today.

2. The Keynesian school is meant to give intellectual grounding on giant deficit spending and to control the economy (indirectly or directly).

3. A couple months ago there was a economic forum (and I posted about this) where Prime Minister Wen and Putin discuss the idea of global basket of currencies instead of putting all eggs in one basket. This contradicts the idea of one dominant world currency.

1. That is exactly why we're not on a gold standard. It has honesty. This way, they can print money at a low cost (it cost less than a dollar for them to print a $100 bill) and then they give it to us, and we have to pay it back plus interest.

Is that NOT a scam? Is that not immoral? What about that has good intentions behind it?

2. The Keynesian school is meant to trick stupid people into believing what the Fed and other central bankers tell them. After all, why would anyone believe that deficit spending was good?

3. Unfortunately Prime Minister Wen and Putin aren't central bankers and really have absolutely no say in the matter when it comes down to it.

Listen, these guys print the money, they own the media corporations, they control education through our federal government, they own the oil companies, they funded every major war for the past century, and they have the smartest people on the planet working for them. You think they can't figure out free market economics? Of course they know all about it. They used that knowledge to create a housing bubble, weakening the middle class, and now they're using it to destroy the currency.

 

[X-Punisher]

Politicians, bankers, and buisness men attending a secret meeting?

Sounds like treason.

 

[Mr. Green]

Well, if this isn't a sign of some seriously scary **** going on in our government, I don't know what is.
No matter how you slice it, when your own government considers you an enemy of the state because of your political beliefs, that is fascist as hell.

I don't care if you support Ron Paul or third parties or NOT. We can discuss that in another thread. What I want to draw attention here is the fact that this country is so AWESOME because the constitution protects your RIGHT to believe in any political view you want, to think freely, and to express yourself in any way you see fit and, as long as you don't infringe on anybody else's civil liberties, you will not be punished by the government.

WHAT. THE. ****.

I mean, according to this MIAC report, I am an enemy of the state. I've never advocated violent anything my whole life. I'm ANTI-WAR! I pay my taxes. I've never broken a law and I don't own a firearm (though I strongly support the 2nd amendment). So how can supporting Ron Paul or believing in the constitution an act of terrorist behavior?!

This is downright frightening.

 

[The Senator]

If you can provide whatever is said in that video from the mouth of someone who isn't an utter *****enozzle like Glenn Beck, maybe I'll consider watching it.

 

[Addendum]

But jman, if it's on the TV it has to be real

 

[Mr. Green]

If you can provide whatever is said in that video from the mouth of someone who isn't an utter *****enozzle like Glenn Beck, maybe I'll consider watching it.

Did you know that there is this really cool website, and you just type in key words and a bunch of websites will pop up related to what you typed.

It's called WWW.GOOGLE.COM

 

[Kelly]

I still categorize all of this as conspiracy mumbo jumbo.....but they are intersting to read.

 

[Paradoxium]

Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism (Associated Press)
Copy of Report

Yea the whole Libertarians are domestic terrorists thing caused a bit of uproar late last week. It was one of those things that posted on the net well before Glenn Beck. I am assuming it was the last day or two he talked about it based on the date on that youtube video.

 

[Paradyme]

Missouri report on militias, terrorists draws criticism (Associated Press)
Copy of Report

Yea the whole Libertarians are domestic terrorists thing caused a bit of uproar late last week. It was one of those things that posted on the net well before Glenn Beck. I am assuming it was the last day or two he talked about it based on the date on that youtube video.

Is anyone else having trouble seeing the 'Copy of Report' page? It just loads a blank white space and if you mouse over it it says download.

 

[The Senator]

Did you know that there is this really cool website, and you just type in key words and a bunch of websites will pop up related to what you typed.

It's called WWW.GOOGLE.COM

But I don't know what is said in that video. I refused to watch it.

 

[Mr. Green]

But I don't know what is said in that video. I refused to watch it.

Good display of problem solving skills.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Glenn Beck really isn't worth watching. Even seeing clips of him on other networks just makes me want to choke myself.

 

[Paradoxium]

Is anyone else having trouble seeing the 'Copy of Report' page? It just loads a blank white space and if you mouse over it it says download.

If it doesn't work Google up:


The Modern Militia Movement - Missouri MIAC Strategic Report

 

[Paradyme]

If it doesn't work Google up:


The Modern Militia Movement - Missouri MIAC Strategic Report

Thanks.

 

[Kelly]

If you can provide whatever is said in that video from the mouth of someone who isn't an utter *****enozzle like Glenn Beck, maybe I'll consider watching it.

*****enozzle.....lmao.