Discussion: The Bilderberg Group

[Addendum]

I'm sorry, meant to say the Continental Congress. Prior to their formation and decision of war and revolution, the milita's "wars," can best be described as riots and a good portion of the population still hoped for re-unification, simply with representation in parliment. My point is, a small group of the population can manipulate and control the events, especially when basically every media tycoon in the world attends these events.

But it's not like the Continental Congress was a secret. Those who attended the first one were delegates from 12 of the 13 colonies (Georgia didn't send any delegates), and those delegates were picked by the legislature of each colony.

The 2 aren't comparable

 

[Matt]

But it's not like the Continental Congress was a secret. Those who attended the first one were delegates from 12 of the 13 colonies (Georgia didn't send any delegates), and those delegates were picked by the legislature of each colony.

The 2 aren't comparable

The general population had no clue what was going on there and many did not even know it was happening.

 

[Kelly]

You get into Bilderberg from this little video? http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=EA65BDAE6BA3AAFC

I watched this lastnight.....VERY INTERESTING, thanks dox....

 

[The Senator]

The general population had no clue what was going on there and many did not even know it was happening.

Yeah, and that might have something to do with the fact that it was the late 1700s...

 

[Matt]

Or it could be the fact that numerous attendees controled the then American media, much like many attendees to the Bilderberg conference control the world media today.

 

[Kelly]

Or it could be the fact that numerous attendees controled the then American media, much like many attendees to the Bilderberg conference control the world media today.

I think the lack of literacy back then was the main problem....most probably didn't read. So unless they were in a place to hear these men speak, they had no idea what they stood for....

 

[Matt]

I think the lack of literacy back then was the main problem....most probably didn't read. So unless they were in a place to hear these men speak, they had no idea what they stood for....

Never-the-less, the point stands...to claim that a small group of powerful people cannot greatly and covertly influence a policy is absurd as it has happened before, on more than just that example.

 

[Kelly]

Never-the-less, the point stands...to claim that a small group of powerful people cannot greatly and covertly influence a policy is absurd as it has happened before, on more than just that example.

Oh hell yeah, I would venture to say that most governments around the world, whether they call themselves democracies or not....are in reality oligarchies....

 

[Paradoxium]

I watched this lastnight.....VERY INTERESTING, thanks dox....

I hope you didn't take everything literally, I think there are probably a bungling of truth and paranoid theorizing. For example, I don't think Bernake is trying to destroy the monetary system, the economic school he comes from corroborates with what he is doing - quantitative easing. The economic advisers in the Obama administration generally believe in the notion of a stimulus package because they have a Keynesian background.

On the other hand, Kennedy did actually wanted to change the monetary system (gold and silver backed bills), the conspiracy theorist think he got killed partially for this reasons. It is also worth noting Lyndon B. Johnson (successor) did not enact on some of Kennedy's policies.

All the lobbyist that got jobs on his administration - that is true for the most part. Here an example:[YT]xTgobtv8scI[/YT]This guy/filmmaker is a bit of a trouble maker with the authorities, he did manage to sneak and record footages from the Bohemian Grove. Again I think he bungles facts with his own brand of conspiracy theorizing. I personally think most times people are well intended, but they do things with many unintended consequences. They try to fix their mistakes but cause more problems and misappropriate the cause (often by mistake or defer blame).

 

[Addendum]

The general population had no clue what was going on there and many did not even know it was happening.

The convention wasn't for the general population. It was for those whom the general population elected. After the first convention, what they discussed was made known. Same with the second convention. The fact that we know what was discussed proves that it wasn't secret. If anything, it's similar to the committees in Congress

 

[Hobgoblin]

My question is, even if the Bilderbergs really are some nefarious "secret" organization, what do we do about them? They're the ones with the power, not us.


Although I dont know how much of the Bilderberg theory to believe, I do sometimes wonder if it doesnt matter who we vote for in November. If the banks (for example) can buy one candidate, they can buy the other.

 

[Kelly]

I hope you didn't take everything literally, I think there are probably a bungling of truth and paranoid theorizing. For example, I don't think Bernake is trying to destroy the monetary system, the economic school he comes from corroborates with what he is doing - quantitative easing. The economic advisers in the Obama administration generally believe in the notion of a stimulus package because they have a Keynesian background.

On the other hand, Kennedy did actually wanted to change the monetary system (gold and silver backed bills), the conspiracy theorist think he got killed partially for this reasons. It is also worth noting Lyndon B. Johnson (successor) did not enact on some of Kennedy's policies.

All the lobbyist that got jobs on his administration - that is true for the most part. Here an example:This guy/filmmaker is a bit of a trouble maker with the authorities, he did manage to sneak and record footages from the Bohemian Grove. Again I think he bungles facts with his own brand of conspiracy theorizing. I personally think most times people are well intended, but they do things with many unintended consequences. They try to fix their mistakes but cause more problems and misappropriate the cause (often by mistake or defer blame).

Oh no....no......no. I find it interesting like Beck's "War room" episodes.......its just interesting to see another view of all of this.

I totally agree with your view of the documentary. I think probably the thing they were most correct about was the Kennedy thing. That is something I've read alot about, and those are things I've thought as well.

 

[Kelly]

My question is, even if the Bilderbergs really are some nefarious "secret" organization, what do we do about them? They're the ones with the power, not us.


Although I dont know how much of the Bilderberg theory to believe, I do sometimes wonder if it doesnt matter who we vote for in November. If the banks (for example) can buy one candidate, they can buy the other.

Definitely.....I don't think it does matter who we vote for....

One thing I do believe that was talked about on the video......we are moving towards being an Oligarchy...we simply hide it behind a 2 party system.

 

[Mr. Green]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_group

Does this group scare the hell out of any one else? Especially now that several members are now top officials in the Obama administration?

Yes. And now with Obama in charge people seem to be too pacified and/or oblivious to second guess the INSANE **** that the administration and central bankers are doing.

And, for the record, anyone who is NOT freaked out by this needs to start researching this because it's affecting EVERYONE in the country, and pretty much the rest of the world, right now.

You know the recession we're in? Yeah, they're making it worse right now. ON PURPOSE. Time to be concerned, people.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

You know there's a guy called David Icke who believes that the Bilderberg Group are 15ft tall shape shifting Lizards from another planet. He also believes that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. That's the kind of group you guys fall into.

This group is just a bunch of business men and bankers, the people Obama needs to meet right now to sort out this economic crisis we're in. It makes perfect sense.

The Bilderberg Group gets all it noterity from racists and anti-semeties. Did you know that?

 

[Paradoxium]

You know there's a guy called David Icke who believes that the Bilderberg Group are 15ft tall shape shifting Lizards from another planet. He also believes that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. That's the kind of group you guys fall into.

This group is just a bunch of business men and bankers, the people Obama needs to meet right now to sort out this economic crisis we're in. It makes perfect sense.

The Bilderberg Group gets all it noterity from racists and anti-semeties. Did you know that?

While I know little about the Bilderberg Group and have made my opinions pretty transparent - brutal incompetence over some nefarious plot by some secret order - this is bordering on in ad hominem territory.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

It's not really. A lot of the groups fame comes out of newspapers like the now defunt Spotlight magazine run by a neo-Nazi called Jim Tucker.

http://www.adl.org/rumors/bilderberg.asp

The Ku Klux Klan also make the claim that the Bilderberg Group is secretly ruling the world, as do Islamic Foundlmentalists.

There is a belief that the Bilderberg Group is used as code for Jew. When people claim that they run the world from a secret room, they're really claiming that the Jews are ruling the world.

 

[Mr. Green]

You know there's a guy called David Icke who believes that the Bilderberg Group are 15ft tall shape shifting Lizards from another planet. He also believes that he is the second coming of Jesus Christ. That's the kind of group you guys fall into.

So we are worried because the corporate elite are running everything (FACT) and that is the same thing as believing in lizard people?

Nice point. I'm sure people are really admiring how intelligent your post is.

This group is just a bunch of business men and bankers, the people Obama needs to meet right now to sort out this economic crisis we're in. It makes perfect sense.

And here's what some presidents who weren't puppets thought about the topic:

"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.

"The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes."
-- Abraham Lincoln.

"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."
--Andrew Jackson

The Bilderberg Group gets all it noterity from racists and anti-semeties. Did you know that?

The Bilderberg Group, including the Rockefellers, supported eugenics which was racist and the "science" behind eugenics was used by the Nazis during WWII. Did you know that?

 

[Mr. Green]

It's not really. A lot of the groups fame comes out of newspapers like the now defunt Spotlight magazine run by a neo-Nazi called Jim Tucker.

http://www.adl.org/rumors/bilderberg.asp

The Ku Klux Klan also make the claim that the Bilderberg Group is secretly ruling the world, as do Islamic Foundlmentalists.

There is a belief that the Bilderberg Group is used as code for Jew. When people claim that they run the world from a secret room, they're really claiming that the Jews are ruling the world.

So if a neo-nazi eats a Dunkin' Donut, does that make Dunkin' Donuts a racist donut manufacturer that is supported by only neo-nazis and rascists?

The answer you're searching for is no.

And your argument is illogical and has no merit whatsoever.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The Bilderberg Group, including the Rockefellers, supported eugenics which was racist and the "science" behind eugenics was used by the Nazis during WWII. Did you know that?

Eugenics is actually a very credible, real science. People generally have a problem with it because of it's associations with Nazism (where it was grossly misunderstood), but that in and of itself does not discount it. It could be incredibly benefitial to society. I'm not sure how much you've actually looked into Eugenics, but the tired old "oh, the Nazi's did it" argument pretty much proves you've never looked into it.

 

[Mr. Green]

Eugenics is actually a very credible, real science. People generally have a problem with it because of it's associations with Nazism (where it was grossly misunderstood), but that in and of itself does not discount it. It could be incredibly benefitial to society.

As far as I'm concerned, lobotomizing people because they're mentally ******ed or sterilizing people who commit crimes or are "imbeciles" is a pretty ****** practice.
Got this from Wikipedia.

Some states sterilized "imbeciles" for much of the 20th century. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in the 1927 Buck v. Bell case that the state of Virginia could sterilize those it thought unfit. The most significant era of eugenic sterilization was between 1907 and 1963, when over 64,000 individuals were forcibly sterilized under eugenic legislation in the United States.[64] A favorable report on the results of sterilization in California, the state with the most sterilizations by far, was published in book form by the biologist Paul Popenoe and was widely cited by the Nazi government as evidence that wide-reaching sterilization programs were feasible and humane. When Nazi administrators went on trial for war crimes in Nuremberg after World War II, they justified the mass sterilizations (over 450,000 in less than a decade) by citing the United States as their inspiration.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

As far as I'm concerned, lobotomizing people because they're mentally ******ed or sterilizing people who commit crimes or are "imbeciles" is a pretty ****** practice.
Got this from Wikipedia.

So you think the term Eugenics (which you got out of wikipedia) is always in reference to psuedo-science done back in the 1920s, riiiiigggghtttt....and you're suppose to be the smart one here. Eugenics is simply the study of self-direction of evolution. It is not the steralization of "imbeciles" (which isn't even a scientific term anymore) anymore than medical science is using leaches and blood letting to cure ailments. Do you want cures for genetic defects and diseases?...then you're talking about eugenics.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

So we are worried because the corporate elite are running everything (FACT) and that is the same thing as believing in lizard people?

Nice point. I'm sure people are really admiring how intelligent your post is.

I was simply pointing out that one of the most vocal and public figures leading the "fight" against the secret groups that rule the world, also believes that they are Lizards. I think it is important for people who are reading through this thread, and may be hearing about this group for the first time, know the depths of dislusion that many who believe in these groups find themselves.

Also I'm sure people are admiring the intelligence of a guy who refers to his unsupported post as a FACT

And here's what some presidents who weren't puppets thought about the topic:

"I sincerely believe... that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity under the name of funding is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
--Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, 1816.

"The money power preys on the nation in times of peace, and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes."
-- Abraham Lincoln.

"The bold effort the present (central) bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it."
--Andrew Jackson

Is there anybody in the current political climate saying anything good about bankers? No, but President Obama NEEDS to meet with financial powerhouses to deal with financial problems. It's common sense.

The Bilderberg Group, including the Rockefellers, supported eugenics which was racist and the "science" behind eugenics was used by the Nazis during WWII. Did you know that?

No, and I don't care. I'm not here defending the honour of these people. I'm not suggesting that they're great guys once you get to know them. I'm just saying that they don't rule the world from a secret room/.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

So if a neo-nazi eats a Dunkin' Donut, does that make Dunkin' Donuts a racist donut manufacturer that is supported by only neo-nazis and rascists?

The answer you're searching for is no.

And your argument is illogical and has no merit whatsoever.

That's not an accurate comparison. Because I'm not saying that neo-nazis are the guys who are reading the material, they're the guys putting it out. It's neo-nazis who are "infiltrating" the bilderberg meeting places, who are publishing the magazines, newspapers and web-sites. It is neo-nazis who are hosting the radio and tv shows. And that my friend is an actual fact.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Also, Mr. Green, "genes" weren't discovered until the late 1940s, so what they were practicing in the post you described was most certainly not Eugenics.