Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party - Part 16

[Lily Adler]

There's still another Bush waiting, at least.

 

[Kelly]

I'm still not ready to say this for sure yet, but it is very possible that we are about to get a very "viable" 3rd party run, one of which we have never seen before, even more so than the Ross Perot run of 1992.

Let me just say, I do not believe this is a good thing...even though it may help secure the candidate that I want to win a WIN. :/

This is a "Geopolitical teacher's wet dream"

 

[samsnee]

His life could be worse. He could be Ted Cruz.

That's perfect

 

[Kelly]

That just gives me the creeps.

 

[Matt]

Jeb's heart was NOT in this campaign at all, I think the PTB in the Republican party went to him and talked him into it, I don't think he really has ever wanted this and it kinda sucks for him because that is a lot of crap you and your family had to take simply to do something that a bunch of old white men wanted you to do. :/

The sad part is, it is probable that Jeb's run will seriously hurt his son's inevitable run for higher office, which is what Jeb was positioning for prior to getting talked into running for president.

I can see the PTB in the GOP moving to Kasich and "holding their noses" because he is far too moderate for them, sooner than later, because I have a feeling Rubio won't be able to handle what is now going to solidly be thrown at him from Trump, he's already had a little taste of it, but nothing like Bush was getting, Cruz can handle it because he is a freak, but the GOP cannot stand him ...

I dunno. I think Jeb will endorse Rubio, probably within the next 48 hours. After that the GOP leadership is probably going to try to convince Kasich to drop out and agree to serve as Rubio's running mate; especially now that Kasich has laid down in Nevada. I know that Kasich's long term hopes rest on a strong showing on Super Tuesday, but I think the GOP leadership is really going to try their damnedest to convince him to withdraw prior to that. If he and Bush both withdraw and endorse Rubio before Super Tuesday, Rubio will likely win a majority of those states (as Trump and Cruz split votes). That will totally change the narrative of the race. I think the GOP will want Rubio over Kasich as their candidate because a young, energetic, Latino man is a better narrative for them against Clinton than another old white man. Meanwhile, if neither withdraws and they split votes on Super Tuesday, Trump will probably win a good majority of the states...and at that point he will have the nomination sealed up. If Trump gets the momentum boost of winning Super Tuesday, there is no stopping him.

Trump will undoubtedly target Rubio with Bush gone...but if Rubio can get Kasich and Bush supporters behind him, Trump's trash talking will be drowned out by Rubio pulling in 40-50 % of the votes in each state.

 

[SV Fan]

So both Cruz and Rubio declared themselves as winners last night. The GOP primary is sort of like children sports where they give everybody an award for participating

 

[Matt]

So both Cruz and Rubio declared themselves as winners last night. The GOP primary is sort of like children sports where they give everybody an award for participating

Kind of like when Clinton and Sanders both declared themselves the winners of Iowa. Funny that you said nothing then. Seriously dude, we're in the same party and even I can say you are a total party sheep. A Republican could cure cancer and you'd say "why didn't they focus on AIDS!?!"

 

[Kelly]

The sad part is, it is probable that Jeb's run will seriously hurt his son's inevitable run for higher office, which is what Jeb was positioning for prior to getting talked into running for president.



I dunno. I think Jeb will endorse Rubio, probably within the next 48 hours. After that the GOP leadership is probably going to try to convince Kasich to drop out and agree to serve as Rubio's running mate; especially now that Kasich has laid down in Nevada. I know that Kasich's long term hopes rest on a strong showing on Super Tuesday, but I think the GOP leadership is really going to try their damnedest to convince him to withdraw prior to that. If he and Bush both withdraw and endorse Rubio before Super Tuesday, Rubio will likely win a majority of those states (as Trump and Cruz split votes). That will totally change the narrative of the race. I think the GOP will want Rubio over Kasich as their candidate because a young, energetic, Latino man is a better narrative for them against Clinton than another old white man. Meanwhile, if neither withdraws and they split votes on Super Tuesday, Trump will probably win a good majority of the states...and at that point he will have the nomination sealed up. If Trump gets the momentum boost of winning Super Tuesday, there is no stopping him.

Trump will undoubtedly target Rubio with Bush gone...but if Rubio can get Kasich and Bush supporters behind him, Trump's trash talking will be drowned out by Rubio pulling in 40-50 % of the votes in each state.

I don't think so, his son has time, and will make his own path.

As far as Kasich, you may be right....but to "moderate Republicans" he is far from the "old white man GOP" lol, but yes, I could definitely see a Rubio/Kasich ticket....and Kasich would be a good "off set" to Rubio's blandness.

Right now my question is who would Hilary OR Bernie choose for a running mate, that doesn't come off as a "crazy "insert race" woman" or simply the Dems version of "the old white man". It will be interesting to watch. I do not see either candidate as the others running mate.

 

[craigdbfan]

The Bush family loses it's influence the minute H.W passes. That's the truth.

It's why Jeb wasn't able to muster anything more "clever" to win. It was pops running the show and now that's he's on his way out so is his dynasty.

Goodnight sweet Guac Merchant.

 

[SV Fan]

Kind of like when Clinton and Sanders both declared themselves the winners of Iowa. Funny that you said nothing then. Seriously dude, we're in the same party and even I can say you are a total party sheep. A Republican could cure cancer and you'd say "why didn't they focus on AIDS!?!"

Trump won every single delegate last night, how can Cruz or Rubio claim victory, it's not like they won a few delegates in the process. Both basically ended up with the same amount of delegates as Bush, Kasich and Carson.

In the Iowa case you can at least argue Bernie picked up a near identical amount of delegates(before the Super delegates vote) in the state

 

[Lily Adler]

The Bush family loses it's influence the minute H.W passes. That's the truth.

It's why Jeb wasn't able to muster anything more "clever" to win. It was pops running the show and now that's he's on his way out so is his dynasty.

Goodnight sweet Guac Merchant.

If H.W. dies, then George P. would run in the name of his late grandpappy.

 

[Matt]

I don't think so, his son has time, and will make his own path.

As far as Kasich, you may be right....but to "moderate Republicans" he is far from the "old white man GOP" lol, but yes, I could definitely see a Rubio/Kasich ticket....and Kasich would be a good "off set" to Rubio's blandness.

A little bit of blandness is never a bad thing when you are on top of your ticket. I think the advantage of having Kasich as a VP candidate is that he can take his leash off. The VP candidate can be the attack dog, say the uncomfortable truths that the voters (and the party) needs to hear. The presidential candidate cannot do that. If Kasich somehow did win the nomination, he would have to reign himself in and try to hold the center while also reaching out to the right, much like McCain was forced to do in 2008, so much so that he would lose the very thing that makes him appeal to moderates and independents. Rubio's blandness lets him walk that tight rope a bit easier. If Rubio is good at one thing, it is saying something without saying anything and making it sound good.

Right now my question is who would Hilary OR Bernie choose for a running mate, that doesn't come off as a "crazy "insert race" woman" or simply the Dems version of "the old white man". It will be interesting to watch. I do not see either candidate as the others running mate.

I think Senator Martin Heinrich is probably going to be Clinton's running mate. If Clinton really feels the need to reach out to the Sanders crowd, however (which is probably a shortsighted move as I don't think she will get those people to show up at the polls), she may go for Senator Sherrod Brown. He is pretty far left and stops just short of socialist (in fact, he is tied with a few others for the National Journal's ranking of the most liberal member of Congress). So I suppose the question will become whether Hillary, on her face, is liberal enough to appease the base. If she is, I think that the more moderate Heinrich is the logical choice. He positions the party well for a run after Clinton, he is young and energetic. He is moderate but also liberal on a few key issues (like the environment). If Clinton feels that she needs her liberal credentials boosted, she will move closer to the center and bring Brown on to appease the base.


As for Sanders...who knows? Senator Kirsten Gillibrand balances his ticket pretty well from all perspectives but geographic (which really does not matter all that much in modern elections), but I doubt Sanders will go for the logical choice that balances his ticket. He has hinted pretty heavily that he wants Warren. I don't think Warren would agree to it. If she had any interest in entering this presidential cycle, she would've ran. I think she is quite content in the Senate and may even make a play for the Democratic leadership position (depending on how the congressional elections turn out). But never-the-less, it shows where Sanders's mind is. Bringing Warren on to his ticket simply serves to double down on all of the things that make him unappealing to blue dogs, moderates, and on the fence Republicans. A Sanders/Warren ticket could not win. Yet he would do it in a heartbeat. Makes me think that his ultimate choice of running mate would be someone equally outlandish, should Warren say no. It is also important to keep in mind that Sanders is not well liked or respected within the Democratic Party. It might make it hard for him to find someone who is willing to tie their political future to him. Especially since I think he would be very hard pressed to actually win the presidency should he get the nomination. It could very well be one of the most lopsided electoral college losses of all time. That would make it even more tricky to find a willing running mate. He might have to settle for a far left House Representative or maybe someone like Mayor Gavin Newsom, who, if nothing else, would get to make the connections that he needs for when he tries to fling himself into the national spotlight.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do think this whole celebrating second and third place is getting silly. Ted Cruz came in third yesterday, and he said he made history. Because he's the first guy named Ted Cruz to come in third in a South Carolina primary?

They all seem to be pretending that Donald Trump doesn't exist. He's not the 13th floor. He's not going away. If these people keep coming in second and third, they'll lose.

 

[SV Fan]

I do think this whole celebrating second and third place is getting silly. Ted Cruz came in third yesterday, and he said he made history. Because he's the first guy named Ted Cruz to come in third in a South Carolina primary?

I can at least sort of get Rubio celebrating since he won the "establishment field" and one of his main competitors dropped out, but for all intensive purposes Cruz was a loser last night. he basically finished 3rd in a state that should have been perfectly suited to him

 

[Kelly]

Cruz should definitely be worried at this point, he has allowed the Trump team to paint him any way they please...

 

[Thundercrack85]

Cruz should definitely be worried at this point, he has allowed the Trump team to paint him any way they please...

Well, him being a pathological liar who was caught cheating, doesn't help. Not to mention being an all round horrible person.

I mean, this guy makes Trump look presidential.

 

[Kelly]

Nothing makes Trump look Presidential, but I do see your point.

 

[Marvolo]

I just dont see it. Cruz is an awkward weirdo no doubt, but Trump seems like a much more horrid person and Cruz doesn't mak3 him look any better imo.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I just dont see it. Cruz is an awkward weirdo no doubt, but Trump seems like a much more horrid person and Cruz doesn't mak3 him look any better imo.

Presidential.

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[SV Fan]

I just dont see it. Cruz is an awkward weirdo no doubt, but Trump seems like a much more horrid person and Cruz doesn't mak3 him look any better imo.

(Maybe it's because I find Trump entertaining in an insult comedian sort of way although I would never vote for him but...)Trump is much more tolerable then Cruz

 

[Pink Ranger]

I just dont see it. Cruz is an awkward weirdo no doubt, but Trump seems like a much more horrid person and Cruz doesn't mak3 him look any better imo.

I despise both, but Trump is basically a crooked businessman who's promising anything the crowd wants to hear, but actually won't follow through on it. Anybody who truly believes what he says might as well send $10,000 to the Nigerian prince.

Cruz will actually try to implement what he says he will, and even more that he's not saying.

 

[Mysteryman]

I don't think so, his son has time, and will make his own path.

As far as Kasich, you may be right....but to "moderate Republicans" he is far from the "old white man GOP" lol, but yes, I could definitely see a Rubio/Kasich ticket....and Kasich would be a good "off set" to Rubio's blandness.

Right now my question is who would Hilary OR Bernie choose for a running mate, that doesn't come off as a "crazy "insert race" woman" or simply the Dems version of "the old white man". It will be interesting to watch. I do not see either candidate as the others running mate.

Rubio is 44.
Kasich is 64.
That would mean Rubios VP would only be five years younger than Hillary.

 

[Mysteryman]

I hear Hillary is interested in Julian Castro.
I have no idea who Bernie would choose.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I hear Hillary is interested in Julian Castro.
I have no idea who Bernie would choose.

Fidel Castro.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Just a little bit of karma for the 2000 election debacle.

Amen