Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XVII

[Thundercrack85]

Do you think every conservative is idiot or fraud? Don't we have enough partisan hyperbole?

I'm pretty sure you're gonna be in Hillary Clinton camp regardless of her history of misstatements and shifting positions.

I don't know. I really dislike Hillary Clinton. She is a fraud, a carpetbagger, and several more things I can't say on this forum.

 

[SV Fan]

I don't know. I really dislike Hillary Clinton. She is a fraud, a carpetbagger, and several more things I can't say on this forum.

She definitely has "career politician" written all over her. She was actually more likeable the past couple years when she seemed more real before she went on her campaigning book tour

 

[Thundercrack85]

I can not comprehend why anyone would like her.

She's not particularly liberal. She's not particularly competent. If she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife we wouldn't even be having this conversion for a number of reasons.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I can not comprehend why anyone would like her.

She's not particularly liberal. She's not particularly competent. If she wasn't Bill Clinton's wife we wouldn't even be having this conversion for a number of reasons.

She really hasn't done much on her own without riding Bill's coattails. She didn't really accomplish much in the Senate and her time as Secretary of State was about the same, considering I think Kerry has done more in a year than she did in her 4-year tenure.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Democrats seem to be in a dangerous sense of delusion when it comes to Hillary, thinking she has 2016 in the bag.

They're going to have a Karl Rove moment in 2016 if they're not careful.

 

[Anubis]

Yeah but, who do the Republican's have to run against her? Christi pretty much ruined his chances with Bridge-Gate. Everybody else is a polarizing nut job.

She might not be the best candidate, but she's the best of a bad situation.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I wouldn't rule Christie out just yet. Quite frankly I think his physical health (or lack thereof) is the bigger issue.

There's also Rubio... who's pretty "moderate". By Republican standards anyway.

There's also the Scotts. I.e. Scott Brown and Scott Walker.

And then there's the guy who probably won't run, but could actually win in a big way, Jeb Bush.

 

[Anubis]

I think we'll need another decade or two before anybody has the stomach for another Bush. Whether he'd be good for the job or not.

 

[SV Fan]

There's also Rubio... who's pretty "moderate". By Republican standards anyway.

Rubio comes across spineless. I don't care how he feels about immigration but don't be so wishy washy. Rubio would be smart to go to the background for the time being and look at 2020 or 2024 as when he really puts an effort for President because he is doing himself no favors trying to play middle ground between the tea party and establishment

There's also the Scotts. I.e. Scott Brown and Scott Walker.

Wonder how Walker allegedly breaking campaign finance rules will hurt his chances. Probably won't want to campaign on his jobs record in Wisconsin either.

 

[Persistence]

Nobody cares about campaign finance laws. I don't even think Bridgegate is gonna be a big issue outside of New Jersey. Only scandals people care about are (1) sex scandals that have been confirmed, not just rumored (see Bill Clinton) (2) military/foreign policy defeats/allegations of treason (see John Kerry and Swiftboat) (3) grand felonies involving someone or large number of people getting killed, raped, assaulted, etc

Can't think of any others...but financial transaction or bureaucratic incompetence scandals don't seem to bother people that much especially when there's plausible deniability.

I think Christie has sold out the most to establishment, so he has best shot. Jeb Bush would lead pack if he chose to run. Walker or Rubio could make a splash. Only Jeb would have best chance against Hillary...I think regardless how close the polls are leading up to election day, I think election will favor Hillary Clinton at end. People love the Clinton name (and you will get Bill back in the White House) and having first female President will be irresistible to large population.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Nobody cares about campaign finance laws. I don't even think Bridgegate is gonna be a big issue outside of New Jersey. Only scandals people care about are (1) sex scandals that have been confirmed, not just rumored (see Bill Clinton) (2) military/foreign policy defeats/allegations of treason (see John Kerry and Swiftboat) (3) grand felonies involving someone or large number of people getting killed, raped, assaulted, etc

Can't think of any others...but financial transaction or bureaucratic incompetence scandals don't seem to bother people that much especially when there's plausible deniability.

I think Christie has sold out the most to establishment, so he has best shot. Jeb Bush would lead pack if he chose to run. Walker or Rubio could make a splash. Only Jeb would have best chance against Hillary...I think regardless how close the polls are leading up to election day, I think election will favor Hillary Clinton at end. People love the Clinton name (and you will get Bill back in the White House) and having first female President will be irresistible to large population.

Damn man, I actually agree with your observations.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Damn man, I actually agree with your observations.

And it sucks people would be sucked into the Clinton name when they're getting the worst of the pair. Bill actually accomplished stuff on his own but Hillary is just going to get by on who she married and likely what gender she is. It'll be maddening to see once again the American voters likely falling for such a talentless politician/leader in favor of feeling good about having a novelty factor in office.

 

[Kelly]

And it sucks people would be sucked into the Clinton name when they're getting the worst of the pair. Bill actually accomplished stuff on his own but Hillary is just going to get by on who she married and likely what gender she is. It'll be maddening to see once again the American voters likely falling for such a talentless politician/leader in favor of feeling good about having a novelty factor in office.

I will say this, I would have much rather had her than Obama these last 6 years. Even the unknown is better than what we've had.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think that Hillary is a guarantee. Unlike Bill, who is a far more talented politician, Hillary has a tendency of doing things that will blow up in her face. As long as the Republicans leave her alone and knock it off with their rather unfair attacks, Hillary is very likely to self-destruct herself.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The South Dakota Republican Party last weekend approved a resolution calling on Congress to impeach Barack Obama. The resolution's sponsor has a "thick book on impeachable offenses of the president," he says. In related news, a South Dakota Republican claims to possess a thick book.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/21/south-dakota-obama_n_5518252.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

These types of idiots crack me up

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I don't think that Hillary is a guarantee. Unlike Bill, who is a far more talented politician, Hillary has a tendency of doing things that will blow up in her face. As long as the Republicans leave her alone and knock it off with their rather unfair attacks, Hillary is very likely to self-destruct herself.

Like the R's are ever going to do that

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Lazy Millennial's Mom Started a Super PAC to Fund His Run For Congress

Mike Turner is 27, and his parents really must want him to move the hell out. So much so that they've dedicated more than $600,000 to his candidacy to the U.S. House of Representatives.

Via Mother Jones' Molly Redden:

Turner, is in a six-way Republican primary for Oklahoma's fifth congressional district. And his campaign has taken getting help from your parents to new heights: A super-PAC that appears to be financed by his mom has paid for $225,693 worth of pro-Turner ads. Turner donated $375,000 to his own campaign—money earned partly from his stake in the family trucking business. And when Turner filed papers to run for Congress, he listed as his address his childhood home.

Not that Turner is loafing; like most millennials, he's held plenty of part-time work. In 2013, he was elected to the Oklahoma House, where he became known for introducing a bill to ban all marriage in Oklahoma. That way, Turner explained, the state could prevent same-sex marriage without running afoul of the Supreme Court ruling that same-sex marriage bans were unconstitutional.

Outside of his work as a government official, Turner doesn't seem to have much of a resumé. He says he's an "entrepreneur and consultant," but Mother Jones couldn't turn up any businesses he runs or consults.

He does, however, have a home. Or at least a share of one:

There is one way in which Turner stands out from the rest of the boomerang generation. Although he lists the Edmond home as his address, Turner isn't exactly living in his childhood home—because he is now the house's part-owner. The title for the 6,000-square-foot house, valued by Zillow at $1.1 million, was recently transferred to the Turner Family Trust and the Michael Jeffrey Turner Trust.

See, kids? All that conservative hard work and never asking for handouts really pays off. And fast.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/mike-turner-millennial-congress-family-trust-fund

This is the type of genius that needs to be in congress my friends! If they want us to marry the gays we ban all marriage!!

 

[hippie_hunter]

Like the R's are ever going to do that

Unfortunately, I'm very willing to bet that you're right. Unfair attacks against her by Republicans have done a marvelous job in making Hillary look sympathetic. It's why it really irks me that all they have to do is absolutely nothing and they're just hurting themselves.

Despite the right's insistence, Hillary and the media have never really gotten along. The media is rightfully annoyed at how Hillary scoffs at them and would say things like how the Lewinsky scandal was a right wing conspiracy by the media when it was the truth all along. And Hillary is rightfully annoyed at how they treat her just because she's a woman and she rightfully blames them for her 2008 loss to Obama. The media isn't going to boost Hillary the way the right claims they are doing.

Also, Hillary has a tendency of putting her foot in her mouth when she's left to her own devices like just recently how she claims how she and Bill were broke after leaving the White House or her answer in regards to gay marriage. More of these things will most likely happen as time goes on......as long as the GOP leaves her alone!

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I guess it's really going to be a case of who self destructs first. I think given enough rope Hilary hangs herself with her foot in her mouth but the r's are more likely to explode in spectacular fashion as has been their recent trend lately.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I guess it's really going to be a case of who self destructs first. I think given enough rope Hilary hangs herself with her foot in her mouth but the r's are more likely to explode in spectacular fashion as has been their recent trend lately.

Honestly, when you people keep on bringing up Republicans who self-destruct, 90% of the time, they're just nobodies and it's the blogosphere left that is just trying to make the entire party look stupid with these nobodies. These aren't the AAA Republicans who are acting this way most of the time. Hell, I can go on various right winged blogs to find Democratic nobodies to do the exact same thing to "prove" how Democrats are no good Commies who want to take our freedoms, Bibles, and guns away.

Hillary has just never been a very good politician. She's a very accomplished woman who works hard to ensure that she does a good job in what task is put before her, but in terms of being a politician, she's no Bill Clinton. Her failures as a politician doomed her 2008 campaign and it looks like she's doing the same mistakes again and is hurting the entire Democratic Party by freezing the field with her current non-committal. She's never been as personable as her husband and often comes off as she has a chip on her shoulder (often with good reason mind you). And frankly, I think a part of her doesn't even want to be President.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Honestly, when you people keep on bringing up Republicans who self-destruct, 90% of the time, they're just nobodies and it's the blogosphere left that is just trying to make the entire party look stupid with these nobodies. These aren't the AAA Republicans who are acting this way most of the time. Hell, I can go on various right winged blogs to find Democratic nobodies to do the exact same thing to "prove" how Democrats are no good Commies who want to take our freedoms, Bibles, and guns away.

Hillary has just never been a very good politician. She's a very accomplished woman who works hard to ensure that she does a good job in what task is put before her, but in terms of being a politician, she's no Bill Clinton. Her failures as a politician doomed her 2008 campaign and it looks like she's doing the same mistakes again and is hurting the entire Democratic Party by freezing the field with her current non-committal. She's never been as personable as her husband and often comes off as she has a chip on her shoulder (often with good reason mind you). And frankly, I think a part of her doesn't even want to be President.

You people!? What do you mean you people? Haha t:

But I disagree with you about her non-committal status. It's freaking 2014. There is absolutely no benefit to her by announcing a run now. It would just be stupid and allow the R's to focus on her more than they already do. I just think the R's are pretty good about catering to the extrimist in their party (like they weren't going to vote for them anyway) and that will be their downfall as usual.

If the R's are ever going to win they need to stop focusing on being the party of rich white old guys and expand their horizons. Things like getting on board with immigration reform and stop demonizing the gay community would go a long way for them.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Honestly, when you people keep on bringing up Republicans who self-destruct, 90% of the time, they're just nobodies and it's the blogosphere left that is just trying to make the entire party look stupid with these nobodies. These aren't the AAA Republicans who are acting this way most of the time. Hell, I can go on various right winged blogs to find Democratic nobodies to do the exact same thing to "prove" how Democrats are no good Commies who want to take our freedoms, Bibles, and guns away.

Hillary has just never been a very good politician. She's a very accomplished woman who works hard to ensure that she does a good job in what task is put before her, but in terms of being a politician, she's no Bill Clinton. Her failures as a politician doomed her 2008 campaign and it looks like she's doing the same mistakes again and is hurting the entire Democratic Party by freezing the field with her current non-committal. She's never been as personable as her husband and often comes off as she has a chip on her shoulder (often with good reason mind you). And frankly, I think a part of her doesn't even want to be President.

If she even had half of the genuine warmth that Laura Bush or Michelle Obama give off to the media, she'd be golden. But, instead, she sometimes comes off rather fake when trying to appear personable and Democratic boosters have said she can be rather two-faced with Bill typically using his charm and political clout to smooth things over. And at her age and with Chelsea now expecting her first child, you'd think being President wouldn't be conducive to spending time with her grandchild and lessening one's stress.

 

[hippie_hunter]

You people!? What do you mean you people? Haha t:

But I disagree with you about her non-committal status. It's freaking 2014. There is absolutely no benefit to her by announcing a run now. It would just be stupid and allow the R's to focus on her more than they already do. I just think the R's are pretty good about catering to the extrimist in their party (like they weren't going to vote for them anyway) and that will be their downfall as usual.

Here's why I think her non-committal status is hurting the Democratic Party. If you take a look at the Republicans, they pretty much have a solid AAA group forming right now (Bush, Christie, Paul) and room for more to join the fray such as a more polished Rick Santorum. They're able to build the organizations needed to run for President.

Hillary on the hand is just freezing the field for the other candidates. With her in the way Democrats such as Joe Biden, Martin O'Malley, Elizabeth Warren, Andrew Cuomo, and Brian Schweitzer are unable to advance themselves.

And personally, I think that she's being a bit selfish. She's clearly not 100% committed to running for President. And I understand why she isn't and I don't blame her. But for the sake of the other Democrats who have national ambitions she should make her decision sooner rather than later in order to allow them to advance themselves if she doesn't run or move to the side if she does.

If the R's are ever going to win they need to stop focusing on being the party of rich white old guys and expand their horizons. Things like getting on board with immigration reform and stop demonizing the gay community would go a long way for them.

While I agree with you on principle, it's not as simple as you're making it out to be.

For example by embracing gay rights, they then completely throw away their evangelical base. Why throw away a very large portion of your party base only to get a few gays on board?

The GOP has done this with the black vote where they're the party that is responsible (with LBJ) for getting things like Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act passed against the resistance of conservative Democrats. Except LBJ managed to take all of the credit and blacks became more of a solid Democratic bloc leading the GOP to adopt the Southern Strategy and the rest is history.

 

[hippie_hunter]

If she even had half of the genuine warmth that Laura Bush or Michelle Obama give off to the media, she'd be golden. But, instead, she sometimes comes off rather fake when trying to appear personable and Democratic boosters have said she can be rather two-faced with Bill typically using his charm and political clout to smooth things over. And at her age and with Chelsea now expecting her first child, you'd think being President wouldn't be conducive to spending time with her grandchild and lessening one's stress.

I wouldn't say that she's fake, she just doesn't have a very media friendly personality. And she does have a lot of legitimate grievances against the media. They do treat her rather unfairly because she is a woman. The media's rather absurd dick riding of Obama helped to sink her 2008 campaign. And then of course we saw the rise of right wing media with talk radio and Fox News back in the 90's which outright treats her viciously.

 

[SV Fan]

I wouldn't say that she's fake, she just doesn't have a very media friendly personality. And she does have a lot of legitimate grievances against the media. They do treat her rather unfairly because she is a woman. The media's rather absurd dick riding of Obama helped to sink her 2008 campaign. And then of course we saw the rise of right wing media with talk radio and Fox News back in the 90's which outright treats her viciously.

Main problem I find with her is when she is in campaign mode, she comes off like a politician