Discussion: The REPUBLICAN Party XVII

[Kelly]

Howard Baker 1925-2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/watergate/Howard.html

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I can't remember which Conservative pundit it was.....but he was so pissed off.....it was pretty much.

"Dude, shut the **** up, you are an idiot, and you DO NOT represent me.....life is not about rape, keep your weird ideas to yourself, idiot".

Of course that is paraphrasing....but was pretty much the idea. I wish I could remember his name....it will come to me later. lol

I think it was pretty much all of them who were saying that inside but spoke a little more calmly when the cameras and mics turned on. Akin is a certifiable moron and the Missouri GOP should have done everything in their power to get him off the ballot once he made those remarks.

 

[Marvolo]

Akin really needs to just stop discussing rape. Everytime he opens his mouth he digs his hole a little deeper. At this point he is going to forever be known as that old guy who couldnt shut up about rape.

 

[Kelly]

Akin really needs to just stop discussing rape. Everytime he opens his mouth he digs his hole a little deeper. At this point he is going to forever be known as that old guy who couldnt shut up about rape.

I think his legacy has already been set in stone....

 

[SV Fan]

Akin really needs to just stop discussing rape. Everytime he opens his mouth he digs his hole a little deeper. At this point he is going to forever be known as that old guy who couldnt shut up about rape.

To me it looks like Akin realizes there is a buck to be made in the right wing entertainment complex. Can't blame the guy his political career is shot, might as well go off and make as much as you can off your post political celebrity

Who knows say enough stupid things he can tour the clown car conventions along with Palin, Trump and Santorum

 

[Marvolo]

Speaker Boehner's Obama Impeachment Dress Rehearsal

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5533680?utm_hp_ref=tw

I really hope these fools try this. Obama can beat them for a third time. Both Bush and Reagan pushed through more Executive Orders than Obama. And Executive Orders are not a violation of any laws. And it can be successfully argued that these executive orders are largely due to blatant GOP extructionism.

Reagan - 381 Executive Orders

Bush Jr. - 291 Executive Orders

Obama - 180 Executive Orders

 

[SV Fan]

Speaker Boehner's Obama Impeachment Dress Rehearsal

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5533680?utm_hp_ref=tw

I really hope these fools try this. Obama can beat them for a third time.

I wonder where were these guys for 6 years when Bush was lawlessly using executive orders and they(House Republicans) were in power for the first 6 years of his term.

 

[Marvolo]

I wonder where were these guys for 6 years when Bush was lawlessly using executive orders and they were in power for the first 6 years of his term.

Teddy Roosevelt - 1081 Executive Orders

Wilson - 1803 Executive Orders

Coolidge - 1203 Executive Orders

FDR - 3522 Executive Orders

Reagan - 381 Executive Orders

Bush Jr. - 291 Executive Orders

Obama - 180 Executive Orders

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

 

[SV Fan]

Reagan - 381 Executive Orders

Bush Jr. - 291 Executive Orders

Obama - 180 Executive Orders

Good Ol' King Obama

 

[Marvolo]

Good Ol' King Obama

Check this out:

Wilson - 1803 Executive Orders

Coolidge - 1203 Executive Orders

FDR - 3522 Executive Orders

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

 

[Kelly]

To me the numbers are irrelevant, the expanse of the Executive Orders speaks far more...

Now, with that said.....I will let Neil Cavuto give my actual opinion on this whole matter....

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/neil-cavuto-michele-bachmann-obama-lawsuit-108316.html

I think this Presidents Executive Orders have been far more expansive in pushing his power...BUT, to sue him, or defund is just STUPID, simply because it won't go anywhere, it is a WASTE OF TIME. Time that as Neil states, should be used actually fixing things.

 

[SV Fan]

Check this out:

Wilson - 1803 Executive Orders

Coolidge - 1203 Executive Orders

FDR - 3522 Executive Orders

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

If somebody wants to knock Obama they shouldn't find stuff that is so laughable. It's stuff like "King Obama" that sort of gets in the way of any legitimate grips they might have.

My guess in the case of Boehner is he is just trying to squash any stupidity from the Tea Party types before Summer starts by acting like he is doing something

 

[Marvolo]

To me the numbers are irrelevant, the expanse of the Executive Orders speaks far more...

Now, with that said.....I will let Neil Cavuto give my actual opinion on this whole matter....

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/neil-cavuto-michele-bachmann-obama-lawsuit-108316.html

Do you think this will backfire for the GOP in November?

 

[Kelly]

Do you think this will backfire for the GOP in November?

Defunding???? possibly, not sure where that will go.

The law suit, no....that will take years for anything to happen.

I am doubtful we will be hearing either of those things however, a month from now...

 

[Marvolo]

If they mamaged to dwfund the executive branch what exactly does that do to the executive branch?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Teddy Roosevelt - 1081 Executive Orders

Wilson - 1803 Executive Orders

Coolidge - 1203 Executive Orders

FDR - 3522 Executive Orders

Reagan - 381 Executive Orders

Bush Jr. - 291 Executive Orders

Obama - 180 Executive Orders

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_federal_executive_orders

That's a rather poor comparison you're trying to make. Considering the length of FDR's tenure as President, he's naturally going to have far more Executive Orders than any President ever. He's an outlier that is just an unfair comparison to any President. Also Obama essentially had a rubber stamp Congress for the first two years of his Presidency with Affordable Health Care Act being the only real major debate he had to deal with. That is naturally going to keep his numbers a bit lower and we're now seeing reports of how Obama is very willing to use as many executive orders as possible so we could see an upswing for the next couple of years that will make him comparable to W. Bush, Clinton, and Reagan.

And Kelly also makes a very valid point. It's not the amount of executive orders that is the point, it's the context behind them that matters. For example, the overwhelming majority of Bush's are pretty damn irrelevant. Overall, the executive order is pretty irrelevant because the President is not Congress. Same with Obama's the majority are pretty irrelevant....that said, there are quite a few there where he's clearly trying to work around Congress and the attitude within the administration clearly shows that.

 

[Anubis]

Like what?

 

[hippie_hunter]

Like what?

Since things like minimum wage and gun control aren't going to get passed in this Congress, he's been writing executive orders to try and get as much as possibly done without Congress on those issues. Or how he strengthened abortion funding restrictions in Obamacare to get the law passed with pro-life Democrats (because the majority of his own party wouldn't have approved of it in the actual bill). In the grand scheme of things, rather meaningless since the President is still limited by the fact that he/she is not a legislator. It's not like Obama can execute Order 66. But it's a pretty clear demonstration of how poor the President's relationship with Congress is and how much he just wants to completely work around them.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama do more executive orders on civil rights, climate change, gun control, and minimum wage. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a massive surge in them within the next two and a half years. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to push as far as he possibly can go. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama eventually push an executive order that gets struck down by the Supreme Court.

 

[Marvolo]

Since things like minimum wage and gun control aren't going to get passed in this Congress, he's been writing executive orders to try and get as much as possibly done without Congress on those issues. Or how he strengthened abortion funding restrictions in Obamacare to get the law passed with pro-life Democrats (because the majority of his own party wouldn't have approved of it in the actual bill). In the grand scheme of things, rather meaningless since the President is still limited by the fact that he/she is not a legislator. It's not like Obama can execute Order 66. But it's a pretty clear demonstration of how poor the President's relationship with Congress is and how much he just wants to completely work around them.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama do more executive orders on civil rights, climate change, gun control, and minimum wage. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a massive surge in them within the next two and a half years. I wouldn't be surprised to see him try to push as far as he possibly can go. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama eventually push an executive order that gets struck down by the Supreme Court.

What do you expect tho? The GOP are acting like spiteful children obstructing almost everything which leaves him little choice. This country needs a minimum wage hike, it needs better gun regulations, it needs to get on top of climate change. If congress refuses to get this essential stuff done then he should use his executive orders. If they want him to stop then they should start doing their job and getting this stuff done.

That's a rather poor comparison you're trying to make. Considering the length of FDR's tenure as President, he's naturally going to have far more Executive Orders than any President ever. He's an outlier that is just an unfair comparison to any President.

FDR only had four terms which is 16 years. He averaged 220 executive orders a year. No president comes close to that. No two presidents combined come close to that.

But my inclusion of him in that list was just to show the far end and extreme.

 

[hippie_hunter]

What do you expect tho? The GOP are acting like spiteful children obstructing almost everything which leaves him little choice. This country needs a minimum wage hike, it needs better gun regulations, it needs to get on top of climate change. If congress refuses to get this essential stuff done then he should use his executive orders. If they want him to stop then they should start doing their job and getting this stuff done.

Here's the thing, I'm not trying to portray Obama as a bad guy for the executive orders. I do not see him as a man wanting to become a dictator and I reject these "King Obama" criticisms. I understand where he's coming from. His relations with Congress are absolutely terrible. Much of it is the GOP's fault and much of it is Obama's fault as well. Blaming just one side is absolutely childish. But the fact remains that Obama isn't going to get anything out of this Congress, so I understand where he's coming from.

And frankly, I forsee him trying to test the limits of how far he can go with these executive orders just like he tried to test the limits of recess appointments where he just got shut down. And again, I understand him on that. Presidents often test the limits of how far their power can go and Obama is no exception here.

 

[Marvolo]

Here's the thing, I'm not trying to portray Obama as a bad guy for the executive orders. I do not see him as a man wanting to become a dictator and I reject these "King Obama" criticisms. I understand where he's coming from. His relations with Congress are absolutely terrible. Much of it is the GOP's fault and much of it is Obama's fault as well. Blaming just one side is absolutely childish. But the fact remains that Obama isn't going to get anything out of this Congress, so I understand where he's coming from.

And frankly, I forsee him trying to test the limits of how far he can go with these executive orders just like he tried to test the limits of recess appointments where he just got shut down. And again, I understand him on that. Presidents often test the limits of how far their power can go and Obama is no exception here.

Oh I gotcha. Im just fed up with the whole political situation in this country and frustrated. Im ready for a change in general.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

As obstructionist as congress has been for most of Obama's presidency I'm not surprised he has so many executive orders.

It's the only way he can get anything done.

 

[Kelly]

If he had tried to actually go through the proper channels in the first place, I would agree....but in most cases he didn't.....he just used that as an excuse.

 

[SV Fan]

I'm not surprised he has so many executive orders

I am surprised he doesn't have more personally. lol

I guess there is still 2+ years left

 

[Kelly]

Maybe Obama can sign some Executive Orders on VA Reform, since 12 Reform bills have been DOA as soon as they hit the Senate....