Disturbia

I thought the central theme in memento had been damaged memory and revenge on the murderer, what also means the object of protagonist's desire :confused:

That's the matter of opinion. The last act looked very dark (except for the ending), but was too predictable for me.

No new twists? WHat about protagonist being his object of desire a.k.a his wife's murderer. Have you seen any movie with structure like this before? Memento has everything, what great script of film noir needs (logical connection of all storylines, tangled web of events, psychological problem of the main character, uncomfortable atmosphere, enemies looking not like usual enemies would, new way of storytelling, a lot of gaps and etc).

Isn't the entire story about manipulation,he is manipulated by the man he thought was his friend and by Carrie Anne Moss ' character and then in the end he manipulates his own memory loss by hiding from himself the truth.

All along ive said it's well written and well made i see no argument there Cine,I think you mean antagonist not protagonist and a man chasing his wife's murderer is not new in the least,all the parts that work as fresh come from the ingenious structure and the way the Nolan brothers use script and direction to wring tension out of the whole concept,i am not sure why we are still debating this lol:cwink:
 
Isn't the entire story about manipulation,he is manipulated by the man he thought was his friend and by Carrie Anne Moss ' character and then in the end he manipulates his own memory loss by hiding from himself the truth.

All along ive said it's well written and well made i see no argument there Cine,I think you mean antagonist not protagonist and a man chasing his wife's murderer is not new in the least,all the parts that work as fresh come from the ingenious structure and the way the Nolan brothers use script and direction to wring tension out of the whole concept,i am not sure why we are still debating this lol:cwink:

Don't you remember note "Don't believe him, he lies"? He really used his lost memeory to start believing that he is not murder. That's what I loved in this movie, protagonist fights with his inner conflicts, with his mind and himself. He is the main enemy of himself, though he has no clue of knowing this.

Again, MAN CHAISING THE MURDERER OF HIS WIFE IS MAIN IDEA, SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD IT BE FRESH? ONLY DETAILS MAKE MOVIE LOOKS NEW. I typed this in CapsL to remind you my words. And no, it's protagonist. Protagonist's object of desire is himself a.k.a antagonist. Yes, the structure is new not for it's genre, but for every another thriller. Tarantino did the same thing, but his way of storytelling was devided into chapters, while Memento has it's chronology being made by cut pieces of true story. Ansother fresh ideas are protagonist's object of desire being himself and story always being repeated, as we know Lenny killed several people thinking that they are true murderers, but he has never made a note saying that he did it, why? Because, then there wouldn't be any purpose to live and he would feel himself guilty. So he protected himself, but took lives of many other people. He is a monster, who doesn't look so in the beginning. And every time when I watch this film, I keep asking myself could this be true? Could he really be such a bastard and at the same time victim of his inner personality and mind? Lenny is two persons in one man, one is victim of psychological injury, another is a very smart serial killer.

Why? Because I am still trying to explain my thoughts about a really great movie. But it doesn't make sense, because it's F***ING MATTER OF OPINION, which doesn't let me to prove my point. You can't just tell me that I am wrong, because of my opinion or I can't do this with you.
 
Don't you remember note "Don't believe him, he lies"? He really used his lost memeory to start believing that he is not murder. That's what I loved in this movie, protagonist fights with his inner conflicts, with his mind and himself. He is the main enemy of himself, though he has no clue of knowing this.

I.E manipulation

Again, MAN CHAISING THE MURDERER OF HIS WIFE IS MAIN IDEA, SO WHY THE HELL SHOULD IT BE FRESH? ONLY DETAILS MAKE MOVIE LOOKS NEW. I typed this in CapsL to remind you my words. And no, it's protagonist. Protagonist's object of desire is himself a.k.a antagonist. Yes, the structure is new not for it's genre, but for every another thriller. Tarantino did the same thing, but his way of storytelling was devided into chapters, while Memento has it's chronology being made by cut pieces of true story. Ansother fresh ideas are protagonist's object of desire being himself and story always being repeated, as we know Lenny killed several people thinking that they are true murderers, but he has never made a note saying that he did it, why? Because, then there wouldn't be any purpose to live and he would feel himself guilty. So he protected himself, but took lives of many other people. He is a monster, who doesn't look so in the beginning. And every time when I watch this film, I keep asking myself could this be true? Could he really be such a bastard and at the same time victim of his inner personality and mind? Lenny is two persons in one man, one is victim of psychological injury, another is a very smart serial killer.

Why? Because I am still trying to explain my thoughts about a really great movie. But it doesn't make sense, because it's F***ING MATTER OF OPINION, which doesn't let me to prove my point.

Ideas can't be new ? of course this matters in your fight for originality,if you are saying the idea not being new isn't the point then haven't i already answered that over and over again by agreeing it's the execution not the idea that makes the Film great ?

The protagonist is Leonard the antagonist is his memory not his wifes murderer so you used the wrong word or miplaced it's context within the film

You seem to be getting upset Cine so we'll just leave it,you see Memento as fresh and i see it is a clever use of structure to tell an old tail well
 
I.E manipulation



Ideas can't be new ? of course this matters in your fight for originality,if you are saying the idea not being new isn't the point then haven't i already answered that over and over again by agreeing it's the execution not the idea that makes the Film great ?

The protagonist is Leonard the antagonist is his memory not his wifes murderer so you used the wrong word or miplaced it's context within the film

You seem to be getting upset Cine so we'll just leave it,you see Memento as fresh and i see it is a clever use of structure to tell an old tail well

Wrong, protection.

IT'S MAIN IDEA, NOT DETAILS, WHICH SHOULD BE NEW!!! Deatails are also ideas, which should be written right to make a logical way of storytelling.

The protagonist - Leonard
The antagonist - wife's murderer, who later turns out as Leonard's mind. We don't get to know that Lenny (as inner personality, his mind and memory) is murderer before the last sequence.

Getting upset? So if someone trie sto explain and prove his point of view, it means that he is already upset? I am confused.
 
Wrong, protection.

IT'S MAIN IDEA, NOT DETAILS, WHICH SHOULD BE NEW!!! Deatails are also ideas, which should be written right to make a logical way of storytelling.

The protagonist - Leonard
The antagonist - wife's murderer, who later turns out as Leonard's mind. We don't get to know that Lenny (as inner personality, his mind and memory) is murderer before the last sequence.

Getting upset? So if someone trie sto explain and prove his point of view, it means that he is already upset? I am confused.

No it's manipulation,he manipulates his own memory to give himself a purpose

Then Memento isn't new at all by that definition

The memory is the antagonist from the very start,it's the reason for all his problems and is constantly revealed to be why he is going from 1 bad scene to the next

You are writing in block capitals and cussing which is a sign of you getting mad b/c i won't agree with you
 
Then Memento isn't new at all by that definition

The memory is the antagonist from the very start,it's the reason for all his problems and is constantly revealed to be why he is going from 1 bad scene to the next

You are writing in block capitals and cussing which is a sign of you getting mad b/c i won't agree with you

Why should main idea (especially, if it's reason of what drives character) be new? It's all about how you tell the story and what details do you create to make it look like logical connection of all storylines.

Memory is psychological problem of the main hero. His both antagonist and the object of desire are murderer. The real antogonist is his inner conflict, which was born by his memory and mind, which tried to protect Leonard.

Wrong again, I am writing so to explain my thoughts and prove my point of view. As you don't wnat agree with me, why then you started and now continue this argue? And why should I agree with you, if I don't want to? :confused:
 
Why should main idea (especially, if it's reason of what drives character) be new? It's all about how you tell the story and what details do you create to make it look like logical connection of all storylines.

You were the one that went on and on about originality not me
Memory is psychological problem of the main hero. His both antagonist and the object of desire are murderer. The real antogonist is his inner conflict, which was born by his memory and mind, which tried to protect Leonard.

We just don't agree on this,so i'm not gonna gonna repeat myself:cwink:
Wrong again, I am writing so to explain my thoughts and prove my point of view. As you don't wnat agree with me, why then you started and now continue this argue? And why should I agree with you, if I don't want to? :confused:

To be wrong again i'd have to have been wrong already and i haven't been,i never said i wanted you to agree with me i don't know where you get that from but i don't see why you can't try to prove your points without typing in capitals and cussing,That's something i expect from someone like Spidey Lover 10 not you,i fully understand what you are saying i don't need you to emphasise it at all,it just looks like you are pissed off.

This is now a repetetive debate b/c neither of us agree to a vast degree and so i'm ending it since the last twice i gave you an out you kept on pushing.

One thing we agree on is Memento is a great movie and that execution in film is the key to making something good:up:
 
You were the one that went on and on about originality not me


We just don't agree on this,so i'm not gonna gonna repeat myself:cwink:


To be wrong again i'd have to have been wrong already and i haven't been,i never said i wanted you to agree with me i don't know where you get that from but i don't see why you can't try to prove your points without typing in capitals and cussing,That's something i expect from someone like Spidey Lover 10 not you,i fully understand what you are saying i don't need you to emphasise it at all,it just looks like you are pissed off.

This is now a repetetive debate b/c neither of us agree to a vast degree and so i'm ending it since the last twice i gave you an out you kept on pushing.

One thing we agree on is Memento is a great movie and that execution in film is the key to making something good:up:

But I didn't say that main idea must be new, did I? Deatils are what makes movie's storytelling.

The same here.

Did I say that you wanted me to agree with you? No, my point is if I don't want to agree with you and you don't want to agree with me, then why we need to continue this argue, which has already repeated itself several times and become a soap opera from Star Wars :D

Don't remember this, but I wouldn't mind to agree to disagree.

Yep, that's true.
 
But I didn't say that main idea must be new, did I? Deatils are what makes movie's storytelling.

The same here.

Did I say that you wanted me to agree with you? No, my point is if I don't want to agree with you and you don't want to agree with me, then why we need to continue this argue, which has already repeated itself several times and become a soap opera from Star Wars :D

Don't remember this, but I wouldn't mind to agree to disagree.

Yep, that's true.

Ok we got more cross wires here than a circuit board after Doglips has tried to fix it:woot:It seems that on a lot of aspects i.e details/execution we have been agreeing for ages now without realising:woot:

It's all good Cine you are still my Padawan and fav next gen director:cwink:
 
Ok we got more cross wires here than a circuit board after Doglips has tried to fix it:woot:It seems that on a lot of aspects i.e details/execution we have been agreeing for ages now without realising:woot:

It's all good Cine you are still my Padawan and fav next gen director:cwink:

:D :up: All I can say is damn opinion matters.

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#1 for the 3rd straight week? Damn :up:
 
I'm on the fence about this cover too.
Another one that should've stuck with the poster. :/
Oh well.
 
That cover sucks, but I'll be picking this up on HD-DVD when it comes out.
 
Yeah, not a great cover. But, can't wait for that commentary track. :up:
 
Eh. I didn't like this horribly much. If you're gonna rip off Hitchcock, do it right!:cmad:
 
They didn't want to overly rip-off Hitchcock, the ending is a key example of how this film uses a similar concept as 'Rear Window', but went in a completely different area with it.
 
DVD Review: Disturbia

Source: Latino Review


FILM: Rating=C
BLU-RAY Rating: C+

When good kid Shia LaBeouf ends up in a fatal car accident with his dad, his life begins to spiral out of control. Blaming himself for the accident, LaBeouf engages in inappropriate behavior and is soon standing before a judge after punching his High School Spanish teacher in the face. Rather than give the boy a recommended one-year sentence in juvy, the sympathetic judge forces LaBeouf to live under house arrest for three months.

LeBeouf finds enjoyment spying on his neighbors through binoculars. Things get really interesting when beauty Sarah Roemer moves in next door. He finds delight watching her frolic in the swimming pool, change clothes in her room or read a good book on her rooftop. It isn't long before she catches on to his voyeurism and uses his incarceration as a method of teasing him. As their relationship slowly develops another house in the neighborhood catches their attention. The owner is none other than hulking nice guy David Morse who spends way too much time mowing his lawn and hauling garbage out of his garage. With reports of a missing girl circling the news, LaBeouf notices that Morse is from the same state as an unidentified serial killer and happens to drive the same vintage car that the missing girl was last seen getting into. Roemer and LaBeouf's best friend Aaron Yoo initially think his "cabin fever" is making him paranoid, but soon see the similarities between Morse and the killer, making them wonder if something creepy is going on in the neighborhood.

"Disturbia" is an engaging film that works on many levels, but surprisingly, the thriller elements are the least interesting aspects of the picture. The film has a wonderful set-up. Rather than throw us into the thriller mix, there is proper dramatic development as we see how the guilt within LeBeouf's character has evolved since his dad's death and the rift between he and his mother continues to grow. He approaches the character not just as an immature teenage boy, but an intelligent young man who even finds it difficult setting foot in his father's study. Even his yearning for a beautiful young girl like Roemer is genuine and the two converse like real teenagers do; their dialogue doesn't feel scripted. After the first hour, "Disturbia" takes a misstep into generic thriller territory. As LeBeouf and Yoo continue to spy on Morse and figure out whether or not he's stuffing dead girls into his closets or the trunk of his car, their antics become tiresome. In this type of cat and mouse game, we know that Morse will figure out what they're up to, be prepared for their accusations that involve the authorities and make them look like little boys crying wolf. Even when they eventually finally get to the truth, the chase sequences in and around both homes is boring and runs too long. The killer begins as a highly intelligent individual and then makes stupid rash decisions at the eleventh hour because the movie is almost over. As a drama with the occasional bit of romance and comedy, "Disturbia" works in large part due to LeBeouf's performance. As a thriller, well, we've seen it all before. I leave the choice up to you because the first half of the film is quite good.

VIDEO: I'm still trying to figure out if Disturbia was shot using High Definition video cameras, because the video transfer on this Blu-ray disc is one of the best I've ever seen. I saw the film in theatres on a DLP digital projection set-up and although 1080p video for the home has no where near that resolution, this picture comes very close. I couldn't detect film artifacts or any bit of grain. DP Rogier Stoffers shot the picture rather beautifully with golden daytime lighting and creepy and stark moods for the nighttime scenes. On top of that, the footage from the deleted scenes and outtake sections don't look like scratched and abused trimmed film, but as clear as if they were part of the movie itself. The picture is presented in its original 1.85 to 1 aspect ratio.

SOUND: I'm so pleased that Paramount and DreamWorks' home video divisions are back on their A-game and putting effort into the sound mixes of their high definition video releases. Word is that they will soon explore lossless audio, but Disturbia has an impressive Dolby Digital 5.1 mix at 640 kbps and a DTS ES 6.1 mix at 1.5 mbps. The DTS track is obviously the winner and from the splash of the little boy's fishing line in the DreamWorks opening logo you can detect this mix has good bass and spatiality for a film that’s about voyeurism. The rear and center surround channels aren't always engaged, but this is an atmospheric soundtrack that features well mixed dialogue.

The audio commentary featuring director D.J. Caruso as well as stars LaBeouf and Roemer is a rather lively one. Caruso tries to give as much technical information as he can, while the two stars demonstrate their comfort around each other that carries over to the screen. LaBeouf's statements get a little too profane at times, but its obvious he has knowledge of how films are constructed and is determined to work to make the film look better rather than just him.

EXTRAS: The Making of Disturbia is a 15 minute featurette that's not really all that special and is of the HBO behind-the-scenes variety. There's a “Serial Pursuit Trivia Track” that can pop up throughout the film like VH1's "Pop-up video" but thank goodness you have the choice to disable it because it’s rather annoying.

Also annoying is a music video for This World Fair's "Don't Make Me Wait" (4:03), the song that is heard when LaBeouf and Roemer finally kiss in the film. Weak extras like this are made up by the inclusion of the brief yet hilarious gag reel (1:26) and four deleted scenes (“Do You Want To Talk?”, “I Forbid It”, “Operation Stupid” and “You’re Breaking My Heart”) (4:08) that are all presented in HD. We also get the film's cool theatrical trailer (2:31) that like the movie is presented in Dolby 5.1 audio.

When all is said and done, this is a nifty little video release that has reference quality picture and sound.
 
kinda late but this movie was so good, been a while since I went to a movie and actually saw a scary movie that was ... scary.
 
Heads up, but Walmart has a 2-pack dvd combo of this. The second dvd is something about digital. Think it's a CD-ROM or something, can't remember. Which is sad since I work there and I pass the promo stand a few times each work day.
 
Heads up, but Walmart has a 2-pack dvd combo of this. The second dvd is something about digital. Think it's a CD-ROM or something, can't remember. Which is sad since I work there and I pass the promo stand a few times each work day.
Yeah i saw that also. Only one more week til lits dvd release in the states.

Its one of my top 5 films of 2007 so far.
 
Hmmm, I might take a look at Walmart's site.
There isn't one near me.
 

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