Django Unchained - Part 2

[killface]

i still wonder what Tarantino's career would be like if Jackie Brown had been a success. I think he would have had a few adapted screenplays to his filmography if it did.

The man has an uncanny ability to synthesize ideas/genres and putting his own spin to it. It would be a blast to see a QT superhero movie.

 

[redhawk23]

http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/betting-against-django-and-losing/

I never heard about this: At some point during production, Christoph Waltz's horse was stung by a bee and Waltz was thrown off and had to get pelvic surgery. The Dentist cart came about supposedly because Walz couldn't ride for some time.

Does this mean that the scene with the proto kkk was heavily modified once there was a cart to blow up?

 

[Holiday]

http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/betting-against-django-and-losing/

I never heard about this: At some point during production, Christoph Waltz's horse was stung by a bee and Waltz was thrown off and had to get pelvic surgery. The Dentist cart came about supposedly because Walz couldn't ride for some time.

Does this mean that the scene with the proto kkk was heavily modified once there was a cart to blow up?

Just took a peep at the script and originally it was just a campsite with dynamite in a yellow bag sticking halfway out of the ground. It's essentially the same scene though.

 

[redhawk23]

Wow, that's pretty crazy.

 

[RedShield]

Does anyone have an explanation why James Remar had two roles in this movie?

 

[redhawk23]

Various actors dropped out.

 

[RedShield]

Oh ok, I reckon it would have been cool if he was actually his twin brother wanting revenge on Django. A reference to Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs Vega Brothers.

Both of his deaths were anti-climatic. Actually all deaths in Django Unchained were anti-climatic.

 

[Marvolo]

Fun fact:

Django Unchained takes place in 1858. Throughout the movie we see what appears to be TNT and its usage.

TNT was not invented until 1863. Dynamite was not patented until 1867 and did not show up in the states until 1885.

Does anyone know if they used black powder in stick form like that prior to TNT?

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Anachronism alert!

 

[terry78]

It's anachronistic altern-universe stuff. It is what it is.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm not complaining seeing as it was unavoidable. The movie needed to be pre-civil war and explosions were a must. I just didn't realize TNT and Dynamite were invented that late in the 19th century. I always assumed it was around alot longer. I'd say most people assume the same.

They got the guns accurate to the times, and that I absolutely loved.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Alfred Nobel invented dynamite. So I knew that. Some of the guns are also anachronistic. Which I figure they knew, since it's hard to imagine doing a Western-esque movie without a gun nut on board.

 

[Baramos]

Setting it during slavery times basically requires anachronisms--like most revolvers at that point had to be loaded similar to a muzzle loader (you loaded each chamber with the ball and powder separately), you had to put percussion caps on each chamber, too, I'm not sure if they had paper cartridges that sped up the loading process or not, but anyway, I can't remember if they got around this by just having them have a ton of extra revolvers on their persons or if they were loading anachronistic revolvers. Or if there were some revolvers at the time that were more like a modern revolver or even late 1800s type revolvers

EDIT: Like this was a common one of that time period: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Army_Model_1860
"Loading is a somewhat lengthy process, with each of the six chambers drilled into the revolving cylinder being loaded from the front, or "muzzle" end. A measured amount of black powder is poured into a chamber. Next a lead ball is placed at the opening of the chamber and seated by firmly pressing it in with the pivoting loading lever which is attached beneath the barrel of the revolver. For sealing each chamber, an over-size 0.454-inch-diameter (11.5 mm) lead ball is trimmed slightly by the loading ram to enter the chamber. Also, as well as for many 19th Century civilian shooters, modern shooters often place a lubricated wad between balls and powder, or, alternatively, pack lard or a commercially-sold bore lubricant at the mouth of each chamber to prevent powder in one chamber from being ignited when another is fired, which is known as a chainfire.


When the Colt Model 1860 was used by 19th century soldiers, they most often loaded the gun using paper cartridges. These cartridges consisted of a pre-measured load of black powder and a ball, wrapped in nitrated paper (paper that had been soaked in potassium nitrate and then dried, to make it more flammable). To load each chamber, one only had to slip the cartridge into the front of the chamber and seat the ball with the loading lever ram. Then a percussion cap was placed onto the raised aperture, called a nipple, at the back end of the chamber."


The paper cartridge would make it faster but again, in that final shootout, did Django have like five revolvers or did he only fire two revolvers worth or did he load his revolvers quickly anachronistically?

 

[RedShield]

There also wasn't any James Brown and 2pac songs being played back then.

 

[terry78]

^Or so they say.

 

[Holiday]

Various actors dropped out.

I figured it was intentional, like having Michael Parks and Gordon Liu play two different characters each in the Kill Bill films. Though, Parks may have been filling in for another actor who dropped out, I forget.

 

[James]

Fun fact:

Django Unchained takes place in 1858. Throughout the movie we see what appears to be TNT and its usage.

TNT was not invented until 1863. Dynamite was not patented until 1867 and did not show up in the states until 1885.

Does anyone know if they used black powder in stick form like that prior to TNT?

Damn, Tarantino's always been so precise with his history up until now.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Setting it during slavery times basically requires anachronisms--like most revolvers at that point had to be loaded similar to a muzzle loader (you loaded each chamber with the ball and powder separately), you had to put percussion caps on each chamber, too, I'm not sure if they had paper cartridges that sped up the loading process or not, but anyway, I can't remember if they got around this by just having them have a ton of extra revolvers on their persons or if they were loading anachronistic revolvers. Or if there were some revolvers at the time that were more like a modern revolver or even late 1800s type revolvers

EDIT: Like this was a common one of that time period: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Army_Model_1860
"Loading is a somewhat lengthy process, with each of the six chambers drilled into the revolving cylinder being loaded from the front, or "muzzle" end. A measured amount of black powder is poured into a chamber. Next a lead ball is placed at the opening of the chamber and seated by firmly pressing it in with the pivoting loading lever which is attached beneath the barrel of the revolver. For sealing each chamber, an over-size 0.454-inch-diameter (11.5 mm) lead ball is trimmed slightly by the loading ram to enter the chamber. Also, as well as for many 19th Century civilian shooters, modern shooters often place a lubricated wad between balls and powder, or, alternatively, pack lard or a commercially-sold bore lubricant at the mouth of each chamber to prevent powder in one chamber from being ignited when another is fired, which is known as a chainfire.


When the Colt Model 1860 was used by 19th century soldiers, they most often loaded the gun using paper cartridges. These cartridges consisted of a pre-measured load of black powder and a ball, wrapped in nitrated paper (paper that had been soaked in potassium nitrate and then dried, to make it more flammable). To load each chamber, one only had to slip the cartridge into the front of the chamber and seat the ball with the loading lever ram. Then a percussion cap was placed onto the raised aperture, called a nipple, at the back end of the chamber."


The paper cartridge would make it faster but again, in that final shootout, did Django have like five revolvers or did he only fire two revolvers worth or did he load his revolvers quickly anachronistically?

This is why the historical "liberties" didn't really bother me. Because gunfights would be slow as hell.

There's a reason everyone in the Civil War still used swords (rarely comes up in popular media though).

Actually, a swordfight could have been cool.

 

[redhawk23]

I figured it was intentional, like having Michael Parks and Gordon Liu play two different characters each in the Kill Bill films. Though, Parks may have been filling in for another actor who dropped out, I forget.

Kurt Russel and Kevin Costner both dropped, their roles were combined into one.

 

[Baramos]

Yeah, bayonets and cavalry sabers used quite a bit. Cavalry had dragoon pistols which not only had revolver chambers but a small "shotgun" barrel underneath the regular barrel as well. But obviously this was all preloaded and the chambers even sealed to prevent chainfire before battle. Muskets were much like in the Revolutionary war slow to load and had to be fired all at once in a long line to hit much of anything, as any individual one was highly inaccurate. So bayonets were undoubtedly used all the time.

 

[jmc]

It'd be more of an issue if it was suppose to be a movie based on an historical event, but it's made up so it's a forgivable oversight to have used things that weren't yet invented for the film.

 

[Holiday]

Kurt Russel and Kevin Costner both dropped, their roles were combined into one.

But that was the Billy Crash character, was it not?

 

[redhawk23]

Hmm well maybe it was Jonah Hill's original character (he was added back into his current role once his schedule opened up) or maybe the role JGL dropped out of.

Sacha Baron Cohens character was written specifically for him and that character was cut entirely.

 

[Marvolo]

Setting it during slavery times basically requires anachronisms--like most revolvers at that point had to be loaded similar to a muzzle loader (you loaded each chamber with the ball and powder separately), you had to put percussion caps on each chamber, too, I'm not sure if they had paper cartridges that sped up the loading process or not, but anyway, I can't remember if they got around this by just having them have a ton of extra revolvers on their persons or if they were loading anachronistic revolvers. Or if there were some revolvers at the time that were more like a modern revolver or even late 1800s type revolvers

EDIT: Like this was a common one of that time period: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_Army_Model_1860
"Loading is a somewhat lengthy process, with each of the six chambers drilled into the revolving cylinder being loaded from the front, or "muzzle" end. A measured amount of black powder is poured into a chamber. Next a lead ball is placed at the opening of the chamber and seated by firmly pressing it in with the pivoting loading lever which is attached beneath the barrel of the revolver. For sealing each chamber, an over-size 0.454-inch-diameter (11.5 mm) lead ball is trimmed slightly by the loading ram to enter the chamber. Also, as well as for many 19th Century civilian shooters, modern shooters often place a lubricated wad between balls and powder, or, alternatively, pack lard or a commercially-sold bore lubricant at the mouth of each chamber to prevent powder in one chamber from being ignited when another is fired, which is known as a chainfire.


When the Colt Model 1860 was used by 19th century soldiers, they most often loaded the gun using paper cartridges. These cartridges consisted of a pre-measured load of black powder and a ball, wrapped in nitrated paper (paper that had been soaked in potassium nitrate and then dried, to make it more flammable). To load each chamber, one only had to slip the cartridge into the front of the chamber and seat the ball with the loading lever ram. Then a percussion cap was placed onto the raised aperture, called a nipple, at the back end of the chamber."


The paper cartridge would make it faster but again, in that final shootout, did Django have like five revolvers or did he only fire two revolvers worth or did he load his revolvers quickly anachronistically?

The revolvers used in the film were accurate to the time. They were ball and powder loaders. You could see the loading rod/lever built into the frame. I was paying attention to that in the film. I didn't see anyone reload a revolver or have any pistol bullets so it seemed accurate in that regard.

Back in those days people would carry multiple loaded clinders (like we carry multiple magazines) so that they could pop the spent cylinder out and insert the already loaded one. They would also carry multiple guns. There was also the issue of the black powder igniting multiple cylinders at once turning the gun into a grenade and costing the shooter his hand and possibly his life. They avoided this by putting animal fat over the chamber openings.

Edit: I see the above is mentioned in your post. Talk about having a bad day go worse. Trying to get yourself out of a sticky situation and your gun blows up in your hand.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I did notice that Django took weapons from the guys he shot. So, that works as well.

I think most people don't appreciate how crappy early revolvers were. There's a reason muskets and swords were still competitive weapons during the civil war.