If you cannot measure it you do not have proof.
There are ways of measuring that have nothing to do with facts and figures.
What does your brain do as it functions? It makes ideas!
Not some people's brains
It also keeps our bodies working. Heart pumping, blood flowing. God winds us up and sets us running.
God, as creator, created all conditions. In a world in which evil can be committed, he must have made the conditions for evil to be committed.
But we chose to do evil. A man may manufacture a gun, put I chose to shoot someone.
The children were not evil, they were insolent, like most children:
From there Elisha went up to Bethel. While he was on the way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him. Go up, baldhead, they shouted, go up, baldhead! 24 The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two she-bears came out of the woods and tore forty-two of the children to pieces.
And I got the story wrong, it was 2 bears, 42 children, not 2 children, 42 pieces.
Honestly I think the story was more parable. But the children were of a culture that was ultimately destructive. Perhaps God, knowing their futures saw them growing to be tormentors and murderers. Kinda like the way people ask what you'd do if you found Hitler as a child.
However, I don't make use of stories like this, just as I'd mentioned about not subscribing to the story of Job. I understand it's perceived value (Faith in God even in crisis) but it also devalues the lives of Job's family, which I don't believe God would do.
Again, it's all about choice. If I found Hitler as a child I'd remove him from the environment in which he developed his destructive ideology.
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Yes it does. We can do this all day.
It makes perfect sense, you refuse to understand it.
Kind of like you with belief in God?
Other way around. Life began in water.
Then why can't all creatures survive underwater- and on land?
extinction occurs over the course of a 2-5 generations. Adaptation takes longer (the adaptation of regressing elephant tusks has taken around 7-10, I believe) and speciation takes several hundred.
Exactly- so all species should be dead before adaptation occurs. Only via the design of an intelligent mind could the species be able to thrive in their natural environments.
I said that in a general sense. By "you" I just meant a human, so if no humans breed, they go extinct.
I have bred. I'm saying that breeding isn't our primary function. It's an important, but not our primary one. Hell, over-breeding is leading to our destruction. Along with damaging the environment and not doing enough to share resources.
Religion is defined as the belief in a greater or supernatural power. You believe in a monotheistic God. You have a religion, just not a defined one.
No it isn't. Religion is ritual and sometimes it revolves around worship of a god, sometimes not. And God is not supernatural. He created nature. Science is obviously your religion. I believe in God. I don't engage in rituals.
Just FYI, the reason why I breathe is to stay alive. And my heart continues to beat because I have neither a worn out coronary muscle, neither a faulty SAN.
As I'd said above, God created the conditions for you to be able to breathe and for your heart to beat.
Moments later you say "More theories. Not proof." Because you do not understand what the word theory means.
A theory is a guess. Hopefully an educated guess, but a guess. I've seen the back-and-forth in this thread about what a theory is, and it's still a guess. It sure as hell isn't proven fact. Then it would be a
proven fact.
You can't answer any questions I ask.
I can, you just can't grasp the answers. You clearly don't want to.
It doesn't matter, something quantifiable evidence is objective, so the results will be the same for everyone. What equipment did you use? A voltmeter? Ammeter? Telescope, if so where? I'd very much like to see this quantifiable evidence.
Unless of course, you're lying.
Like I'd need to lie to you...
My mother and father created me personally.
God got the ball rolling and we took it up from there.
I can't speak for everyone, but France is the agricultural powerhouse in Europe.
And he created Europe, among other things.
I usually go to my doctor, not priest, if I'm honest.
I don't go to priests either. I go to God.
Since, you're so obsessed with your needing a "why", why did God create us?
Obviously because he has a sense of humor.
No, you don't have to accept either. But instead, what you have done, is taken from one theory (evolution) and one hypothesis (magic) and tried to mesh them together.
God's power isn't anymore magical than your vacuum particles that appear from nothing. Actual the particles are more about magic.
There is no after. What part of that do you no understand?
There is always an after. Today came after yesterday, tomorrow comes after today. After the Earth comes space. If you're saying there's a point at which space ends something has to come after.
Well, you're wrong with that. Here's why:
If the universe is infinite, it must have an infinite number of stars. Therefore, everywhere you look in any direction, you would see a star, so the night sky would be just as bright as daylight.
Are you sure you're not just making this up as you go? No, there does not have to be an infinite number of stars for the universe to be infinite. It's like saying the every body of water has to have fish to cover every cubic foot.
At the same time, there may indeed be an infinite number of stars. Just because we can't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. There are light conditions that render objects invisible to the naked eye.
The Laws of Thermodynamics. With a universe of infinite age, it would either be at the minimum temperature of -273°C or at the Absolute Hot temperature (which escapes me).
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Quasars and radio galaxies are only found a long way away in the distant past. In an infinite, steady state universe, they'd be found everywhere.
I'm not saying the universe is "steady state". Galaxies, solar systems die and are created. So in areas where they are not found, they may have been destroyed or have yet to be born.
The universe is accelerating outwards in all directions. If the universe is infinite, infinite expansion would have already taken place and there would be no existence at all.
Clearly we have a miscommunication. You are saying the universe is the objects. I'm saying the universe includes the space the objects are expanding into. I'm also saying that the universe is infinite in that there was never a pont at which something didn't exist. Things may die, but there always has and always will be something existing. Even if it's just God.
The Cosmic Microwave Background is the first piece of light detectable in the universe, with only darkness before it. In an infinite universe, this would not be possible.
And the Lord said "Let there be light". That means at one point, there wasn't any.
There is no before.Why can you not understand that? The word before, relies on cause and effect, cause and effect relies on time. With no time, there is no cause and effect, with no cause and effect, there is no before.
Time exists in a realm where nothing is happening, no cause or effect. As others of your belief system have said in this thread, there cannot have been a point when nothing existed.
I don't mean to shock you here. But I'm not one of the smartest people on the planet. So working on the Big Bang model is not my job. All I know, is that it is referred to as a singularity.
So you accept it on faith. Now we're getting somewhere.
But it wasn't nothing. It was everything, everywhere and everywhen, squashed into a single point that is infinitely small.
But according to you, the universe is finite- so nothing can be infinitely small. And YOU SAID it came from nothing- not something infinitely small. So you're changing your story, now?
Wait, wait wait. It took time, to build time, but not the time that the universe exists on, which is still finite, but on an omniversal time? So, you are now putting forward the many worlds theory?
This is fun. It will get us nowhere, but you are a funny guy.
People don't study science because it is easy, they do it because it is correct.
Same reason for belief in God.
There is proof of former, none for the latter.
There's enough proof for me.
Most stellar black holes are formed from type 1A supernovae. I'd say this one was too, because it is hypothetical.
Hypothetical- and thus, according to you, magical.
See, now you're getting it. When trying to describe the universe, it's really. Freakin'. Hard
So is explaining God. But within our hearts, he makes it pretty easy.
The surface of a black hole the event horizon is two dimensional. The actual physical form of the black hole, the singularity has no dimensions.
"Let there be light..." Which one makes less sense?
Nope, it's called a hypothesis. If it is shown to be wrong, it's thrown away. That's what science does.
So you can come up with endless hypotheses and just keep throwing them away. But belief in God has to make it plain immediately? So, if theoretical physics and evolution don't explain everything in your lifetime, it's cool if you die not knowing the answers. But unless God displays every answer in front of you, then he must not exist. Right?
Again, what you're doing is profoundly misunderstanding words. Evolution only applies to biology, being a biological scientific theory. The formation of the earth is to do with physics.
But biology must exist outside of the realm of Earth, correct? So while physics was at work, so too must biology, and thus evolution must have been at work as well.
Oh, you have photographic evidence of God? Where can we go to take our picture with him.
Now you're you're just joshin' me.
Oh, so you were lying earlier when you said you had proof.
Why would I lie to you? I gain nothing from you believing me. I have proof. You just don't understand it.
But God is perfect. God, by his description in the Torah, Bible and Qur'an. So he doen't care if anyone dies because he already has a perfect existence.
And in his perfection, he loves us and wants us to be happy. He just knows that we have to work to be truly happy. If it's merely given to us, as with Adam and Eve, we won't appreciate it.
Again, no proof, but I'll ask you these questions, please answer them in the Atheism thread:
What was you're spirit doing in 1243 BC?
Is your spirit everything you are now?
How do you prevent boredom from taking hold with a mind designed only for finite experiences?
Will do.
It gives the entirety of the story it is trying to tell. Do you berate book of Ezekiel for not telling of how God made light?
No. But
you do.
No, instead you have to believe the words of book that is heavily plagiarised of other myths has little historical accuracy and that everything was made by magic in six days six thousand years ago by an overlord who is neither seen nor heard in modern times. Much better.
I've said repeatedly that I don't believe or follow everything in the bible. So you've got that wrong. Since God's power is nature itself, he didn't create anything magically. So you're off on that too. Maybe, just as you assert the 2 dimensions and no dimensions of black holes- a day for God is not the same as a revolution of the Earth. Maybe the 6,000 years thing is like other things in the bible, wrong. Or maybe since Satan has dominion of this world, he re-made it so it doesn't work the way the bible suggests. Lots of possiblities.
I'm sorry, but why gasp? Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share the same God.
For a lot of people Islam is an evil faith. Anyway I was joking.
One has the benefit of evidence.
Yeah. Belief in God.
I've lived perfectly well without him, as do currently about 1 billion other people.
I doubt that, since no life is perfect. But it could be better by connecting with God. But again, your choice.
