Do you feel Batman Forever gets a bad name because of B&R?

[Rockbottom]

I do to be honest. IMO BF was a pretty good film minus a couple of things. We all know B&R was one of the worst things ever put on film, so people think, its shumaker's Batman so its awful, but overall BF is a good film.

 

[Tojo]

No, it's a godawful film in it's own standing. Everything about it is horrific, regardless of bastardisation.

 

[CConn]

No, it's a godawful film in it's own standing. Everything about it is horrific, regardless of bastardisation.

Hardly. Michael Gough still turned in a fine performance as Alfred, Val Kilmer was a pretty great Bruce Wayne, and even Dick Greyson's origin was done quite well (yeah, Dick's older than he should be, but that's not too horrific a change)...to name a few.

As for the thread question; yeah, I think it does. After B&R, people decided to just write off the Schumacher movies as utter crap when that isn't quite true.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

No, it's a godawful film in it's own standing. Everything about it is horrific, regardless of bastardisation.

LOL

 

[Kevin Roegele]

There is no doubt Batman Forever is considered guilty by association with Batman & Robin.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, Forever wasn't that bad. BR hurts it the most because of the Shumacher association

 

[Joker]

no, Batman Forever gets a bad name because of gay two-face and riddler who acted like the joker, batman betting over his parents death, 25 year old orphan robin, the camp (neon skull street gang, dick picking up hookers in the batmobile, giant statues of naked men all around gotham, nipples on the bat suit, etc.), and many, many other flaws...it has nothing to do with Batman & Robin.

 

[batmaluco]

no, Batman Forever gets a bad name because of gay two-face and riddler who acted like the joker, batman betting over his parents death, 25 year old orphan robin, the camp (neon skull street gang, dick picking up hookers in the batmobile, giant statues of naked men all around gotham, nipples on the bat suit, etc.), and many, many other flaws...it has nothing to do with Batman & Robin.

I second that notion.

The only difference is that I don't really see those stuff as flaws. It was even faithful, but with a version that it's not among my favorites. I mean, one can laugh at Batman and the intrinsical ridiculous nature of a man dressed like a giant bat.

But I think that this was already brilliantly made in the 60's series.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Have any of you guys actually seen Batman Forever?

 

[El Payaso]

I blame nipples and bat-butt close up for the bad name. I enjoy B Forever and don't hate it, but man, how sick you have to be to actually make a bat-butt close up, put it in the movie and think it would be a good idea? With all B Forever goodies, that is THE most disrespectful 2 seconds in any superhero movie.

 

[batmaluco]

I don't hate it as well and I think it's still enjoyable, but for me it was like he was doing a kind of great Batman from the 60's.
The main problem is that it was already 90's.
But I still like to watch it when I'm on the right mood for some good laughs. B&R was even funnier.
And I also admire and enjoy what Kevin Roegele is doing with this film. I'm really looking forward to see the finished product. I bet it will be pretty better (darker, moodier) than the original stuff, with the inclusion of some deleted scenes and all.
I still don't have the new SE DVD with the deleted scenes and behind the scenes stuff but I'm definitely going to get it asap.

 

[Rockbottom]

The Deleted scenes are on youtube, some of them are pretty cool but others like Bruce in front of the giant Bat are pretty stupid.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I don't hate it as well and I think it's still enjoyable, but for me it was like he was doing a kind of great Batman from the 60's.
The main problem is that it was already 90's.
But I still like to watch it when I'm on the right mood for some good laughs. B&R was even funnier.
And I also admire and enjoy what Kevin Roegele is doing with this film. I'm really looking forward to see the finished product. I bet it will be pretty better (darker, moodier) than the original stuff, with the inclusion of some deleted scenes and all.
I still don't have the new SE DVD with the deleted scenes and behind the scenes stuff but I'm definitely going to get it asap.

Thanks bud. And I certainly will be taking out the ass shot and some of the silliness.

 

[batmaluco]

Thanks bud.

Hey, thank YOU! t:

And I certainly will be taking out the ass shot and some of the silliness.

Exactly what I thought it would happen.

The Deleted scenes are on youtube, some of them are pretty cool but others like Bruce in front of the giant Bat are pretty stupid.

Ha! Thanks for the hint/tip.
*going for youtube*

 

[Tojo]

Hardly. Michael Gough still turned in a fine performance as Alfred, Val Kilmer was a pretty great Bruce Wayne, and even Dick Greyson's origin was done quite well (yeah, Dick's older than he should be, but that's not too horrific a change)...to name a few.

As for the thread question; yeah, I think it does. After B&R, people decided to just write off the Schumacher movies as utter crap when that isn't quite true.

Ok, so there are some redeeming features. And it is not as horrific as Batman & Robin, but the redeeming features are outdone by neon, cartoon villains, butt shots, batmobiles driving up walls, gay costume designs....and oh my god there are just too many things.

If it's guilty by association so be it, i am still safe in the knowledge that there are still so many demented aspects to this film.

 

[DonnyLebeau]

Out of all the B-man movies, it was the most elaborate and attention getting. It really never quieted down and there was constant action.
That is where they lost the story and just went for stunts and explosions.

The riddles were the only intelligent part of the movie and watching Nygma's transformation into the riddler was what saved it. In the prior two films, the villains were sort of made overnight. Forever took the time to turn Nygma from a genius inventor into a psychotic obsessive prankster.

Which is a miss on the actual Riddler, but Carey's overacting and antics make it impossible to have a calm, collected Riddler.

Overall, the movie was entertaining and fun at the time, but after seeing Begins or even watching some of the animated Batman movies: Sub-Zero, Batwoman and Return of the Joker, it's obvious that detailed story telling works better in the Bat Universe.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Out of all the B-man movies, it was the most elaborate and attention getting. It really never quieted down and there was constant action.
That is where they lost the story and just went for stunts and explosions.

Absolutely not. Schumacher is not an action director. He is no more intrested in action scenes than Burton was. Batman Forever contains a far more elaborate storyline than any other Batman film except Begins. Watch beyond the superficialities of the movie.

 

[Batman2k7]

i disagree i think that batman & robin is a good film it has a few tacky moments but overall i think it is a good film the first two batman films are the best though (batman1989 and Batman returns)

 

[Rockbottom]

^A few...

 

[Batman2k7]

yes a few yeah its not brilliant but i still like it

 

[Rockbottom]

Did you mean to put Batman Forever? Because I dont see how any Batman fan can like B&R to be honest.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Did you mean to put Batman Forever? Because I dont see how any Batman fan can like B&R to be honest.

If they're a fan of the ker-razee 40's and 50's comics (wherein a typical story was Robin trying to get Batman into the White House even though he's been turned into a zebra - 'President Bat-Zebra!'), then it's quite understandable.

 

[Palpadious]

This film is an abomination to all things that are good about Batman. Keaton was right to walk away from the franchise after reading the ****ty script. Me as an 8 year old said "Jesus, that was piece of ****" as I was leaving the theatre. I think a bit of my childhood died after I saw this movie. Shumacher, if I ever see you, I will hurt you;it will not feel good.

 

[Joker]

This film is an abomination to all things that are good about Batman. Keaton was right to walk away from the franchise after reading the ****ty script. Me as an 8 year old said "Jesus, that was piece of ****" as I was leaving the theatre. I think a bit of my childhood died after I saw this movie. Shumacher, if I ever see you, I will hurt you;it will not feel good.

but...but Shumacher did The Lost Boys...and Tigerland...and Phonebooth...and Flatliners...wait a second, there's only one fo those that's good that doesnt have Keifer Sutherland...maybe that's what BF needed to not suck