I assume the focus will be more on Batman as this film seems to be mainly intended as a launching pad for a new Batman franchise.
Where does this leave the Superman franchise? No more stand-alone films? Just team-ups for Superman. Cavill is optioned for just 2 more films. The coming WF and one after that. I'd guess WB would want to use him in a JL film rather than another MOS film. Cavill did not exactly do great in the Supes role so more MOS films are probably on the backburner.
I assume the focus will be more on Batman as this film seems to be mainly intended as a launching pad for a new Batman franchise.
Where does this leave the Superman franchise? No more stand-alone films? Just team-ups for Superman. Cavill is optioned for just 2 more films. The coming WF and one after that. I'd guess WB would want to use him in a JL film rather than another MOS film. Cavill did not exactly do great in the Supes role so more MOS films are probably on the backburner.
in the end, it's still superman's movie. so i think it'll be a solid 60-30 (the other 10 will be for lex of course)
How about Lois? The people? N most important the new threats?
First, to Sf2, again sincere apologies for the rant in the "Little things" thread.
Can't see BM v SM being MOS 2. Again, Thor and Captain America only got
one film before Avengers (yes, there's a huge hole in my logic, that the "new" Batman won't get a film before BM v SM, unless of course it's Bale or a version of the Nolan Batman, although there's a rumour Warner Bros is offering him the GDP of some small countries to play Bats again - wow I hope Ryan
Gosling doesn't get the part, he'd just look like Henry Cavill's younger sister
in a Batman costume).
Anyway, my original point (not that I really had one) was BM v SM won't be an MOS 2. An MOS 2 film has to focus on Supes, a team-up with Batman would have to split time too much between the two characters, in order
to be a proper sequel. By thinking of it like that, I've kind of dealt to my
fears that after 3 superb Dark Knight films, and the amazing MOS, that DC
will **** it up and BM v SM will turn out like.....Batman and Robin. for now
The other big difficulty (besides having the two greatest super-heroes
share the screen, and balancing that effectively) with that is that it requires a villain who would work for both Batman and Superman (probably not Braniac then, but maybe Luthor, although I hope not, because Luthor is such a big character that he and Supes need a movie to themselves
- on that note, who votes Cranston ? who votes Strong ? ).
Your guess is as good as mine ! Strangely, I think Darkseid might work...
but I'm not sure how.
As part of that , there seems to be a problem with the scale of the
action with BM v SM. It just might not live up to the epic scale of
MOS. I can see Snyder re-creating the smackdown from Miller's DKR, but
that just won't match the epic Supes v Zod fight from MOS.
As for Lois, maybe she solves the "Who is Batman mystery ?" Could see
her work in a movie with BM and SM, but it's the villians who are the
problem,..... well let's hope not (or at least that they're more Joker than Bane). Peace.
Lol at the people who aren't considering this a Superman film.in the end, it's still superman's movie. so i think it'll be a solid 60-30 (the other 10 will be for lex of course)
Lol at the people who aren't considering this a Superman film.
It's the next chapter in this Superman saga, it's just that Batman will be in it.
Good points.
No way do I see this as an MOS sequel. It's a team-up film and the best we can hope for is that Supes get half the time. Remember this is meant to launch a new Batman actor so there is going to have to be a lot of focus there.
That focus means the Lois and Clark relationship which was barely touched on in MOS will get crimped for screen-time. Plus development of Superman's character from where it was left off in MOS may get short changed.
The problem for the MOS franchise is that by the timcharacters in films you really can't back to an MOS2 for 6 or more years. MOS forgotten by then. WB would basically have to reboot.
I see this as WB sacrificing the MOS franchise to get to JL. Its not just Avengers but look at the huge boost IronMan 3 got. You gotta know WB is going to be looking closely at Thor2. That film looks incredible and if it is and if Avengers does similar things for it as it did for IM3, 800 million WW may be doable for Thor.
If Thor blows away the BO then I expect WB will redouble efforts to get JL out ASAP. Maybe 2 years after WF. Three at most.
I hate to agree with u.Good points.
No way do I see this as an MOS sequel. It's a team-up film and the best we can hope for is that Supes get half the time. Remember this is meant to launch a new Batman actor so there is going to have to be a lot of focus there.
That focus means the Lois and Clark relationship which was barely touched on in MOS will get crimped for screen-time. Plus development of Superman's character from where it was left off in MOS may get short changed.
The problem for the MOS franchise is that by the timcharacters in films you really can't back to an MOS2 for 6 or more years. MOS forgotten by then. WB would basically have to reboot.
I see this as WB sacrificing the MOS franchise to get to JL. Its not just Avengers but look at the huge boost IronMan 3 got. You gotta know WB is going to be looking closely at Thor2. That film looks incredible and if it is and if Avengers does similar things for it as it did for IM3, 800 million WW may be doable for Thor.
If Thor blows away the BO then I expect WB will redouble efforts to get JL out ASAP. Maybe 2 years after WF. Three at most.
WB is playing the long game.I hate to agree with u.
N i see people around me are interezted in Thor2.
I'm a HUGE Batman fan. In fact, I don't even know that I LIKE Superman, considering that my exposure to him has been through Batman comics. I wasn't in love with the Christopher Reeve character, and I didn't really understand the point of Superman Returns.
That said... I LOVED Man of Steel. I've watched it five times in the last three days. I'm happy that Batman is going to be in the new movie (even if it's not specifically a "Man of Steel Sequel" it's going to be a sequel to Man of Steel), and I don't want to see a whole lot of Batman in it. I don't want Batman to steal the show and make it a huge Batman thing. Batman's got some great movies out. Three of them in the last decade. So I feel like we know Batman. Even if it's not Christian Bale, we know the guy under the cowl is Bruce Wayne, he's got a company, a butler, billions of dollars, a manor, a badass car, and a cave under his house. I would prefer that kind of stuff to be saved for the solo Batman films in this universe and keep Batman's involvement in THIS film to how his character pertains to the ramifications of Man of Steel's ending.
You can say a LOT about the character, sure. But if he's in this next movie, I would think speaks to both his character as Bruce Wayne, philanthropist, and as Batman, cynical force of vengeance, to investigate on his own what happened in Metropolis. Hell, he might even be able to piece together that Superman is Clark Kent in the same way that Lois did in Man of Steel, but it'd be easier since, hey, look at that, Smallville had some serious ***** go down there, too.
I'm just saying, just by Batman BEING in the movie, you've got potentially effortless characterization of his "Worlds Greatest Detective" side, his philanthropy as Bruce Wayne, AND his darker, more apprehensive side that can put him at temporary odds with Superman. Add to that a potential Wayne Enterprises / LexCorp joint project to rebuild Metropolis, and you have Bruce at odds with Kal long enough for him to go after him, get smacked around (as a Batfan, yeah, I'll admit it--Smacked. Around.). Then he realizes that Kal's got humanity's best interests at heart, realize that Lex has been just Eddie Haskell-ing him the whole time to get to Superman, etc. Along the way, you can have some really great scenes involving Bruce and Kal talking about killing Zod and coming to an understanding.
They say Bruce is going to be 'older and wiser' but that doesn't have to mean he's a geriatric, and it doesn't mean he has to be all training Superman or whatever, that's horsecrap. Just enough of a "You know, killing is wrong, right?" "Yeah... everyday I wish I could take it back, but I had to do it. I had to. I had to or he was going to kill every single person in my city. I couldn't stop him." I'd imagine a more heartfelt monologue there or something after a heated discussion, but yeah. I think Bruce would really see Kal's pain and regret and realize, just as Col. Hardy did.... "This man is not my enemy."
You don't need to show the Batcave, Wayne Manor, Alfred, Gotham in that huge of detail at all. THIS film, in my opinion, shouldn't be about Batman, it's about the meeting of two giants, and one of them... we know pretty well already. That's my take.