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Do you think James Cameron is over-rated?

Is Cameron over-rated

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No. Hes created some of the most iconic films of all time, the greatest action film of all time (T2) and he's one of the most intelligent directors working in the mainstream. He always pushes himself to the limit and never backs down from what he wants. He's a consumate filmmaker all the way through.

Avatar proved he still has it and that he's still hundreds of cuts above Mickey Mouse directors like Micheal Bay or JJ Abrams

I agree. I liked Avatar. The story's premise wasn't original, but there were no flaws within the story (I never questioned the logic of the film in terms of flaws) and I loved the visuals.

Did it deserve to get nominated for an Oscar? While I see the reason that the Academy nominated them, no it didn't.
 
Avatar was, at best, the third best sci fi movie of last year.

Cameron is ridiculously over-rated.
 
My God, are you people serious?? Cameron's script was awful. All his ideas sucked. I love the guy but thank God he didn't put those ideas on film.

I would have rather seen that than that soap opera ****. But anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion
 
I agree. I liked Avatar. The story's premise wasn't original, but there were no flaws within the story (I never questioned the logic of the film in terms of flaws) and I loved the visuals.

Did it deserve to get nominated for an Oscar? While I see the reason that the Academy nominated them, no it didn't.
What it lacks in originality, it more than makes up for in execution and detail.

The reason why Camerons stories are always more authentic than almost any other big scale movies is the detail. Everything matters to Cameron, from how a certain machine works, to what kinds of bolts should be used on certain aircraft. Everything feels natural and real. All of this adds up. A lot of it might not be noticeable, but together it forms an amazing foundation.

Cameron is pretty much the only big name director in hollywood who understands this.

The only other person like that is Peter Jackson. The detail in LOTR and King Kong is stunning, and help to sell the movies and their world.

And Cameron understands story structure, as well as narrative geography better than almost anyone else directing blockbusters. He knows how to trim the fat, what scenes matter, and how to set up the stakes. And in terms of geography, all you need to look at is Avatars final battle. Never confusing, never messy. Amazingly shot, and edited, the audience is never lost and is always going with the flow.

Is Cameron a master story teller? In terms of subtle, moody and reflective stories, obviously not. But in terms of BIG movies, he is without a doubt one of the greatest.
 
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I would have rather seen that than that soap opera ****. But anyways, everyone is entitled to their own opinion

So you'd rather have seen web seen as seman, MJ and Spider-Man having sex in a web, Ock saying, "okey dokey." Peter seeing MJ getting undressed, Sandman and Electro not having their real names as henchmen? You would all rather see this? :dry:
 
So you'd rather have seen web seen as seman, MJ and Spider-Man having sex in a web, Ock saying, "okey dokey." Peter seeing MJ getting undressed, Sandman and Electro not having their real names as henchmen? You would all rather see this? :dry:
All of that sounds much more appealing than Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst pretending to have any chemistry whatsoever.
 
I think James Cameron is ridiculously overrated. There are only 3 movies of his that I've really liked: Aliens, T2, and True Lies.

I LOATHE Titanic and Avatar. I don't get the hype surrounding those two films! So overrated.
 
The problem with this thread is that people think the guy is overrated because they don't like a few of his movies. The guy has made billions and billions of dollars on his movies. His movies are considered some of the most memorable for their respective genres. He didn't get there for making a bunch of schlock. Obviously a great deal of people liked them, and they must have appealed to enough people to get studios to throw ridiculous amounts of money at the guy to make them. So if he is over-rated, everyone should aspire to such heights of over-ratedness.
 
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The problem with this thread is that people think the guy is overrated because they don't like a few of his movies.

Duh. If you don't like a specific movie that everyone else loves, doesn't that mean you think it's overrated? You're saying this like it's a bad thing. Heaven forbid people draw this conclusion about Cameron because they don't like some of his films. :whatever:

I thought Avatar was a piece of garbage movie that was too long, too preachy, and too boring. I also think it had terrible dialogue, ho-hum acting, and an uninspired story. I'm flabbergasted about it being the highest grossing movie of all time. I don't see the appeal. At all.

Good CGI =/= good movie. Avatar was Ferngully with an expensive budget.
 
All of that sounds much more appealing than Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst pretending to have any chemistry whatsoever.

Okay because that's clearly true to the comics. :whatever:
 
Okay because that's clearly true to the comics. :whatever:
What does that matter?

There are hundreds of different interpretations of superheroes in comics. Many writers go in different directions. And there have been many dark and gritty Spider-Man comics (including one comic where in the future Mary Jane dies of cancer because of Peter Parkers radioactive sperm)

There's no reason that a movie shouldn't be any different.

Funny how you don't see this kind of whining for Nolans Batman movies which eliminate all the overt supernatural and fantastical aspects of the Batman comics, aspects that have been the norm for decades. Not that there should be any whining, its just a different interpretation. The same should hold true for Spider-Man.
 
Semen and having sex in a web is not Spider-Man nor is it in the tone and should never be seen on film. It's uneccessary and disgusting. Not unless you want a more dark and mature Spider-Man which should never happen. Changes are fine, but you don't **** up the roots of the character. That isn't apart of it.
 
Duh. If you don't like a specific movie that everyone else loves, doesn't that mean you think it's overrated? You're saying this like it's a bad thing. Heaven forbid people draw this conclusion about Cameron because they don't like some of his films. :whatever:

I thought Avatar was a piece of garbage movie that was too long, too preachy, and too boring. I also think it had terrible dialogue, ho-hum acting, and an uninspired story. I'm flabbergasted about it being the highest grossing movie of all time. I don't see the appeal. At all.

Good CGI =/= good movie. Avatar was Ferngully with an expensive budget.

We're not talking about a movie, but James Cameron as a director. Yes, because it's silly to A. hate on the guy for one movie, and B. offer nothing at all beyond unsubstantiated opinion on how it sucks. What, exactly, are you offering that negates the money and accolades of all the movies he's made? I don't know of anyone saying he's teh best evar!!! It doesn't seem to be the majority opinion. But the guy gets the job done like no one else.

I don't like every one of Peter Jackson's movies. That doesn't mean he's over-rated. Same with Spielberg, Nolan, Kubrick or any other prominent director that has movies make a bit of money and they happen to win a few awards or accolades from their peers and audience along the way. I really don't care much for most of Kubrick's movies, but I can recognize the skill with which he approaches a movie. I thought Bladerunner was dull and boring, but I don't think Ridley Scott is over-rated.

Heaven forbid people form an opinion and defend it substantively that addresses the issue of a director's reputation based on his body of work and how well it performs beyond their narrow little scope. Heaven forbid, indeed.
 
Semen and having sex in a web is not Spider-Man nor is it in the tone and should never be seen on film. It's uneccessary and disgusting. Not unless you want a more dark and mature Spider-Man which should never happen. Changes are fine, but you don't **** up the roots of the character. That isn't apart of it.
What is disgusting about having sex?

Sex is even depicted in the comics (see Spider-Man sleeping with Black Cat in an issue not too long ago)

Its as if you think this would have been a full on X rated sex scene. It wouldn't. You can still depict or imply someone having sex in a PG-13 movie you know.
 
We're not talking about a movie, but James Cameron as a director. Yes, because it's silly to A. hate on the guy for one movie, and B. offer nothing at all beyond unsubstantiated opinion on how it sucks. What, exactly, are you offering that negates the money and accolades of all the movies he's made? I don't know of anyone saying he's teh best evar!!! It doesn't seem to be the majority opinion. But the guy gets the job done like no one else.

I don't like every one of Peter Jackson's movies. That doesn't mean he's over-rated. Same with Spielberg, Nolan, Kubrick or any other prominent director that has movies make a bit of money and they happen to win a few awards or accolades from their peers and audience along the way. I really don't care much for most of Kubrick's movies, but I can recognize the skill with which he approaches a movie. I thought Bladerunner was dull and boring, but I don't think Ridley Scott is over-rated.

Heaven forbid people form an opinion and defend it substantively that addresses the issue of a director's reputation based on his body of work and how well it performs beyond their narrow little scope. Heaven forbid, indeed.

Cameron is a hit or miss with me, which means that I don't think that everything he makes is magic, which means that I think he's an overrated director. I have no problem with people who love every single one of his movies, but I can drink the Haterade on Cameron's movies all I want. Everybody's got an opinion.

As I said earlier in the thread, I love Aliens, T2, and True Lies. The rest of his film though? I either hate them or feel "meh" about them. Does Cameron have the potential to make some really good and kickass movies? Definitely. To me, his current body of work as a whole, though, is overrated.
 
I dont think Cameron is too overrated but he is to an extent, i really think he's only had a hand full of just awesome movies, that would be the original Alien, and the first two terminator movies, other then that its been nothing but the same old stuff that Hollywood puts out every year. Let me just say this, it took Cameron almost what 14 years to create something that's been done countless of times, a love movie, but now it has some politics involved, mix in new 3D tech and you somehow have a masterpiece? While on the other hand it took someone like Chris Nolan 10 years to create a truly original, breathtaking film that really has never been done before and he didnt have to hollywood it up at all, and im not a Cameron hater at all, again hes done a few awesome movies that are templates to other movies nowadays but i do think hes overrated, i think he takes the easy way out by just doing typical hollywood types of movies, whiles others stray away and are relatively underrated and hardly talked about.
 
Just because his movies get a lot of commercial backing as tentpole type films for the summer... and just because his films hit ridiculously high box office numbers as a result.. does not mean he's the best director out there.

In my opinion, he is entirely over rated. He had an immense budget for Titanic. The studio's backing of the film was beyond anything seen before... the film was out for something like 9 months for god's sakes. At the end of the day, Titanic had a huge, immediate, emotional impact.. but upon multiple viewings.. the story is cheesy, the dialogue can be cringeworthy, the acting is horrible at times, and some of the scenes are nearly unwatchable for me. There's nothing in this movie that makes it worth of it's box office success... ie, better than Gone With the Wind, or Lawrence or Arabia, or similarly epic films.

Avatar is another film that had ridiculous backing - the widest release ever, a huge advertising campaign, and the big draw gimmick of 3D. Watch it without 3D, and it becomes insanely obvious that it's mostly just a boring rip off of Pocohontus - nothing more. The voice over narration feels totally distant, and unneccessary to the main plot. Also, the formulaic narrative at times clashes with film's larger moral narrative. On the one hand, Cameron wants to convay that even though we look different than the "aliens," we're all essentially the same; on the other hand, he asserts that the only real way for the two characters to be with each other is for one of them to forsake their identity and become like the other.

It's all formulaic hollywood hogwash... which is what is marketable... which is what is most enjoyed the common audience.... but it's still crummy storytelling. Give him a small budget, and make him tell a small, personal story without a big spectacle, and then we'll see what he's made of as an artist.


Erm, in regards to the last comment, The Terminator?
 
80s through mid-90s James Cameron? No. Everything since? Yes.
 
80s through mid-90s James Cameron? No. Everything since? Yes.

Well everything since has only been titanic and Avatar. Yes, those two films are overrated but Cameron as a filmmaker isn't overrated. While its been forever since I've seen Titanic (and I remember being bored by it), Avatar to me is still a good film whose popularity has been blown out of proportion. But I'm glad its been blown out of proportion.

If Cameron failed it wouldn't hurt filmmakers making push for more original films. And for those smart-asses when I mean original films I mean non-adaptations and sequels. Studios would've played it even more safe and some films benefitted from Avatar's success by having their budgets increased post Avatar, like Green Lantern.
 
I think he isnt overrated, maybe a bit tho'. Avatar was good for me, but not great.

His best works will always be the 2 Terminator Movies, for me at least!
 
I personally think Titanic gets a bad rap. The dialogue is pretty corny, but the leads had chemistry and the last hour and a half is genuinely riveting. The backlash was undeserved in retrospect.

But yeah, Cameron is hugely overrated with a huge ego to boot. Avatar may have Grade A visuals, but District 9 was the sci-fi film of last year. It had an original plot, good acting, and wasn't too long.
 
I've only liked Aliens and think Cameron is an asshat. Do I think he's overrated? No. When it's a matter of opinion who am I to say "It isn't as good as you think it is?"
 

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