BvS Do You Want Arrow, Flash, & Constantine Connected To Superman/Batman?

Do You Want Arrow, Flash, & Constantine Connected To Superman/Batman?

  • Yes

  • No to Constanine, Yes to Flash & Arrow

  • No to Flash & Arrow, Yes to Constantine

  • I'll wait for Flash and Constantine to premiere before giving my final opinion

  • No


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They could just give them upgraded costumes in the movie, it would be a shame to waste Amell in particular as he's done a great job as Ollie.
True, he is awesome, but he is batman more or less. I mean having him next to batman would make it even clearer.

If they ever use G.A in the movies, it should be a different version, one that isnt so close to being Batman. Bankrupt Ollie, with leftist ideas, a beard and lots of spunk.
 
I don't think there's such a thing as a TV or movie actor or that it dsenotes whether you are a good actor or not, they are all just actors, being on TV doesn't mean you're inferior to the guys in movies, that's the same flawed argument as box office success equals a good film. I really don't think you need to be a huge star to play Green Arrow in a JL movie.

As for the rest, I respect that man, personally the show made me a much bigger Green Arrow fan as he wasn't one of my favourites before, so my preference lies there and it's the version I'd rather see in a JL movie.

Some fans said the same about Tom Welling. Some will inevitably say the same about Grant Gustin.

But ultimately, the logistics of linking the CW series with the films just makes it impossible.

If they couldn't do it for Smallville and it's more sizeable audience, it wouldn't make sense to do it for Arrow and it's tiny audience. I mean.. again, the Season 2 finale only pulled in 2.3 million viewers. Keeping Amell's version and his universe on the big screen, and all the baggage associated with it, wouldn't be good business for Warners. It would also tie down the film writers and producers creatively.

It's unfortunate, but true. WB is really to blame in this case. They should have launched Arrow on a major network like CBS from the start and officially set the series up to be linked to the film universe. That would, however, be aping the Marvel formula. I think Diane Nelson's current strategy of just throwing all these properties on to TV and setting them up to be connected to the films, comes from a lack of faith by WB in the selling power of these properties.
 
I'm a big fan of the show, I enjoy it more than most of the recent movie offerings in truth, however I wasn't really thinking of an Arrow movie, just of Arrow on the JL team by himself.

I hear ya, movies have been lacking as of late.:csad:

I like the show too despite my initial hesitation, but when looking at the big picture it just won't work to me. If they do decide to use Amell as GA in JL and it turns out to be a popular character for them with the potential to do more then are we to assume they will include characters and actors from Arrow? What if they want to introduce Black Canary or Deathstroke?
This is where I think baggage comes into play.
 
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it is a waste. i don't understand why some seem to think that being on tv would give the film universe, cooties or something. even if it is CW. cavill was on tudors on showtime. many wanted brian cranston as luthor and he as many here know was on breaking bad. both of those tv shows could end at some point soon, and from that they can jump into the filmverse.

I think it's the costumes that seem to be the biggest issue for many, and that is easily remedeed, I don't think the other stuff will matter as I don't personally see spin-off movies for Arrow.

True, he is awesome, but he is batman more or less. I mean having him next to batman would make it even clearer.

If they ever use G.A in the movies, it should be a different version, one that isnt so close to being Batman. Bankrupt Ollie, with leftist ideas, a beard and lots of spunk.

That is actually why I think the Arrow version works well as this will be an older Batman that could advise Ollie and see himself in him, plus of course we don't even know where Ollie will be on the show by 2018.

Some fans said the same about Tom Welling. Some will inevitably say the same about Grant Gustin.

But ultimately, the logistics of linking the CW series with the films just makes it impossible.

If they couldn't do it for Smallville and it's more sizeable audience, it wouldn't make sense to do it for Arrow and it's tiny audience. I mean.. again, the Season 2 finale only pulled in 2.3 million viewers. Keeping Amell's version and his universe on the big screen, and all the baggage associated with it, wouldn't be good business for Warners. It would also tie down the film writers and producers creatively.

It's unfortunate, but true. WB is really to blame in this case. They should have launched Arrow on a major network like CBS from the start and officially set the series up to be linked to the film universe. That would, however, be aping the Marvel formula. I think Diane Nelson's current strategy of just throwing all these properties on to TV and setting them up to be connected to the films, comes from a lack of faith by WB in the selling power of these properties.

I don't think the ratings for Arrow matter as he's not going to be leading the JL movie, Superman and Batman draw the money, Arrow gets extra promotion and exposure through being on their team, it's a win-win IMO.


I hear ya, movies have been lacking as of late.:csad:

I like the show too despite my initial hesitation, but when looking at the big picture it just won't work to me. If they do decide to use Amell as GA in JL and it turns out to be a popular character for them with the potential to do more then are we to assume they will include characters and actors from Arrow? What if they want to introduce Black Canary or Deathstroke?
This is where I think baggage comes into play.

Thank Zod for Cap 2, hopefully DOFP will be good as well. :up:

If we are talking 2018 by the time a JL movie actually happens Arrow would be at season 6 if it's still going so I don't think they'd be looking to spin-off into solo films, to me we are no more likely to see a Green Arrow movie than we are a Hawkeye or Black Widow solo film, so the baggage wouldn't be an issue.
 
Thank Zod for Cap 2, hopefully DOFP will be good as well. :up:

If we are talking 2018 by the time a JL movie actually happens Arrow would be at season 6 if it's still going so I don't think they'd be looking to spin-off into solo films, to me we are no more likely to see a Green Arrow movie than we are a Hawkeye or Black Widow solo film, so the baggage wouldn't be an issue.

Yes and Yes! Looking forward to Guardians as well:up:
Please tell me you are watching Hannibal…best thing on tv currently!

If they cancel Arrow, then heck yeah bring Amell on…Id be all for it. I find him to be the stand out of the show personally.
 
That is actually why I think the Arrow version works well as this will be an older Batman that could advise Ollie and see himself in him, plus of course we don't even know where Ollie will be on the show by 2018.
They said that in Season 3 he will be bankrupt and that will be very important to the way he operates. But i dont think he'll grow a proper beard and become a left wing nut, because that isnt beefcakey enough for CW.

And like you said, in 2018 who know where he'll be. He'll probably have regained his fortune and lost it 10 times over.
 
I don't think the ratings for Arrow matter as he's not going to be leading the JL movie, Superman and Batman draw the money, Arrow gets extra promotion and exposure through being on their team, it's a win-win IMO.

But that would mean the CW universe would be part of the DC film universe..

And Gustin would have to be our Flash.

It creates more problems than it solves. Especially when you consider how Arrow/Flash and MoS are supposed to fit together. Arrow takes place in a world where the events of MoS didn't happen. MoS took place in a world where superpowered beings had not revealed themselves prior to Cavill's Superman. Yet in the Flash pilot, we see news reports about the superspeed red Flash saving people, and in the Arrow finale there was coverage and eye witness reports about the 50 something super soldiers that thousands encountered.

So Amell in JL would mean you'd have to disregard continuity, which almost undermines the whole point of including him. It's easier to just cast a new Green Arrow, Flash, Black Canary, Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, etc for the films than trying to retroactively force pieces together than don't fit.
 
I'm a big fan of the show, I enjoy it more than most of the recent movie offerings in truth, however I wasn't really thinking of an Arrow movie, just of Arrow on the JL team by himself.



I don't think there's such a thing as a TV or movie actor or that it dsenotes whether you are a good actor or not, they are all just actors, being on TV doesn't mean you're inferior to the guys in movies, that's the same flawed argument as box office success equals a good film. I really don't think you need to be a huge star to play Green Arrow in a JL movie.

As for the rest, I respect that man, personally the show made me a much bigger Green Arrow fan as he wasn't one of my favourites before, so my preference lies there and it's the version I'd rather see in a JL movie.
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. For those who say that Oliver is too much Batman and should be like the comics, in the comics he started out as Batman (he had a goddamn arrowmobile) and became his own character. That's what the show is doing too. Oliver is slowly opening up and becoming lighter. The only difference is that the Batman they started from was dark and not campy. (which is not a judgement against camp - I love camp, I even cried during the finale of Batman the Brave and the Bold)
 
But that would mean the CW universe would be part of the DC film universe..

And Gustin would have to be our Flash.

It creates more problems than it solves. Especially when you consider how Arrow/Flash and MoS are supposed to fit together. Arrow takes place in a world where the events of MoS didn't happen. MoS took place in a world where superpowered beings had not revealed themselves prior to Cavill's Superman. Yet in the Flash pilot, we see news reports about the superspeed red Flash saving people, and in the Arrow finale there was coverage and eye witness reports about the 50 something super soldiers that thousands encountered.

So Amell in JL would mean you'd have to disregard continuity, which almost undermines the whole point of including him. It's easier to just cast a new Green Arrow, Flash, Black Canary, Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, etc for the films than trying to retroactively force pieces together than don't fit.

I'd have loved to see them connected but I do agree with the points you make about continuity, I think the last chance to connect Arrow/Flash with MOS/SB was Arrow's season 2 finale and they chose not to.
 
Yes and Yes! Looking forward to Guardians as well:up:
Please tell me you are watching Hannibal…best thing on tv currently!

If they cancel Arrow, then heck yeah bring Amell on…Id be all for it. I find him to be the stand out of the show personally.

I've never actually been a fan of Hannibal Lecter so I've never watched the show. :O

I agree, he started out rocky but has came into his own and I think he warrants a shot at the JL movie given by the time it arrives he'll be well down the road in the show.

They said that in Season 3 he will be bankrupt and that will be very important to the way he operates. But i dont think he'll grow a proper beard and become a left wing nut, because that isnt beefcakey enough for CW.

And like you said, in 2018 who know where he'll be. He'll probably have regained his fortune and lost it 10 times over.

Yeah he's going to be broke next season so they'll be exploring how that affects him. I think the beard he had was so extreme that it was always going to evolve, just like how the Robin Hood hat was replaced with a hood.

Exactly, it's quite a way off to the point where even considering what to do with Arrow and Flash will be an issue.

But that would mean the CW universe would be part of the DC film universe..

And Gustin would have to be our Flash.

It creates more problems than it solves. Especially when you consider how Arrow/Flash and MoS are supposed to fit together. Arrow takes place in a world where the events of MoS didn't happen. MoS took place in a world where superpowered beings had not revealed themselves prior to Cavill's Superman. Yet in the Flash pilot, we see news reports about the superspeed red Flash saving people, and in the Arrow finale there was coverage and eye witness reports about the 50 something super soldiers that thousands encountered.

So Amell in JL would mean you'd have to disregard continuity, which almost undermines the whole point of including him. It's easier to just cast a new Green Arrow, Flash, Black Canary, Deathstroke, Amanda Waller, etc for the films than trying to retroactively force pieces together than don't fit.

Personally I don't mind connecting the CW universe and the film universe and so far I've liked what I've seen of Gustin as Barry.

The Flash show is after the world was exposed to Superman and the Kryptonians tearing apart Metropolis and the guys running through the streets in masks in the Arrow finale were also after the world knows of Superman, and in truth nothing they did really exposed them as being super powered, they were just big guys in masks wreaking havoc.

I agree with this post wholeheartedly. For those who say that Oliver is too much Batman and should be like the comics, in the comics he started out as Batman (he had a goddamn arrowmobile) and became his own character. That's what the show is doing too. Oliver is slowly opening up and becoming lighter. The only difference is that the Batman they started from was dark and not campy. (which is not a judgement against camp - I love camp, I even cried during the finale of Batman the Brave and the Bold)

Exactly, he's evolving as the show goes along and him coming into contact with Batman would be most likely near the end of that overall character arc given the likelihood of JL not being out until 2018.
 
I'd rather keep the DC tv & movies separate. I think with Arrow and Flash it has grown into its own thing and I don't think it would mesh well with Snyder's JLA.

Plus I really hope that Guillermo Del Toro can get his Justice League Dark made and I wouldn't want that tied down to a tv incarnation of Constantine.
 
The Flash show is after the world was exposed to Superman and the Kryptonians tearing apart Metropolis and the guys running through the streets in masks in the Arrow finale were also after the world knows of Superman, and in truth nothing they did really exposed them as being super powered, they were just big guys in masks wreaking havoc.
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The show's own dialogue counters that.

In Arrow, many reacted to the Mirakuru soldiers as possessing abilities that are impossible and never seen before. Even Kate Spencer echoed this again in the finale.

Clearly this wasn't a world where the Kryptonian Alien Invasion already happened.

Oliver and Waller would have reacted completely different to the threat of Mirakuru soldiers if the world had previously experienced a cataclysmic event where superpowered beings revealed themselves to mankind and Superman saved the world.


Ultimately, Arrow/Flash are introducing their world to superpowers, and MoS also introduced it's own world to superpowers.. in a completely different way.
 
The show's own dialogue counters that.

In Arrow, many reacted to the Mirakuru soldiers as possessing abilities that are impossible and never seen before. Even Kate Spencer echoed this again in the finale.

Clearly this wasn't a world where the Kryptonian Alien Invasion already happened.

Oliver and Waller would have reacted completely different to the threat of Mirakuru soldiers if the world had previously experienced a cataclysmic event where superpowered beings revealed themselves to mankind and Superman saved the world.


Ultimately, Arrow/Flash are introducing their world to superpowers, and MoS also introduced it's own world to superpowers.. in a completely different way.

Abilities for normal people to possess as opposed to aliens. In truth though they can easily say that the Arrow finale took place before MOS and add a scene in season 3 that affirms that, it's far from a problem IMO.
 
Superpowers are superpowers, regardless if they are demonstrated by 'normal' people or extraterrestrials.

Sooner or later, the superpowered beings on 'The Flash' will be a public thing. That's the direction they are going in. People will react to these superpowered beings as something abnormal, unexpected and new. Just as the people in Arrow who encountered the Mirakuru soldiers reacted to them..

That wouldn't make sense in a world where the events of MoS already happened.

If the producers were able to connect the film universe with Arrow, it would have happened by now. They would have acknowledged the events of MoS. It's very unlikely your wish of them suddenly addressing MoS in Season 3 will happen.

Once 'The Flash' debuts it will pretty definitively separate the CW universe from the film verse.

Believe me, I would have liked them to be connected at one point.. but it's plainly obvious now that ship has sailed and all the powers that be (from Diane Nelson at WB, to the Arrow producers) are all echoing the same claim that they have no plans to connect everything.
 
Superpowers are superpowers, regardless if they are demonstrated by 'normal' people or extraterrestrials.

Sooner or later, the superpowered beings on 'The Flash' will be a public thing. That's the direction they are going in. People will react to these superpowered beings as something abnormal, unexpected and new. Just as the people in Arrow who encountered the Mirakuru soldiers reacted to them..

That wouldn't make sense in a world where the events of MoS already happened.

If the producers were able to connect the film universe with Arrow, it would have happened by now. They would have acknowledged the events of MoS. It's very unlikely your wish of them suddenly addressing MoS in Season 3 will happen.

Once 'The Flash' debuts it will pretty definitively separate the CW universe from the film verse.

Believe me, I would have liked them to be connected at one point.. but it's plainly obvious now that ship has sailed and all the powers that be (from Diane Nelson at WB, to the Arrow producers) are all echoing the same claim that they have no plans to connect everything.

Well my reply was in the vein of how easy it would be to fix any minor continuity issues that currently exist, I never said they would actually do it lol.

If they go the route you are suggesting I hope it's not until well down the line when Arrow and The Flash have had their runs on TV, I'd rather not have 2 versions of the same character running around in live action.
 
My issue with connecting them is then that means the shows need to stay connected. The writers on both sides can have difficulties. I mean what if Snyder want's Ra's is go in a very different direction then Arrow?
 
I’ve changed my mind on The CW-verse being connected to the films. It should NOT be connected, in my opinion, because The CW-verse is getting to the point where it’s nearly the most perfect live action representation of a superhero universe ever. It all boils down to how The Flash will do, but it’s looking so promising that I’m seriously considering it as better than anything the film medium can do in general (Warner Brothers or Marvel Studios – no company bias here, both studios equally). I’m starting to wonder if television is the way to go for this genre.

If you were to take every superhero film ever made (less than 100 films?), write each movie individually on a piece of paper, put them all in a hat and draw a film at random, you could make a legitimately sound argument as to why Arrow is better than that film. That’s because most of the films in the genre aren’t good.

If you look at the two seasons of Arrow, which are a total of 46 episodes for the series so far, that’s 46 episodes times approximately 42 minutes per episode; we’ve gotten over 32 hours of Green Arrow in live action. That’s more hours than Spider-Man or Iron Man, and arguably Superman and Batman if you only look at the films. For those who complained about The Flash not being adapted to live action, by the time the first season is over, we will have gotten 16 hours of The Flash… roughly the equivalent of 8 films.

Yet for Batman vs. Superman, we will have waited over two years to sit in a theater and see a movie that will be approximately two hours. Two YEARS for two HOURS. And half of you people will HATE that film. Arrow’s got 32 hours within two years. The Flash will be connected to that universe with an additional 16, and we’re not yet counting the potential second season of The Flash, nor the guaranteed third season of Arrow. It’s more than the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

My point is, I feel like the films are losing their way, both DC and Marvel. We’re looking at 100 million, 150 million, 200 MILLION dollar budgets, for films that aren’t THAT much better than what we’re getting on television. Do the over-extended CGI sequences matter THAT much to you? If not, television can be the answer. Is the quality of acting THAT much better? If not, television can be the answer. Are the talents of Andrew Garfield, Gal Gadot, Chris Hemsworth THAT much higher in quality than Grant Gustin or Stephen Amell? If not, television can be the answer. 200 million dollars is more than the two seasons of Arrow COMBINED, and that’s the budget of one film.

I’m not citing the hours of these shows as automatically being of a “higher quality” than films… but the whole purpose of these characters was to have continuing stories that lasted a long time. There can be extended arcs on television, even more than a trilogy. You can know and explore characters for longer periods of time than films ever can. What you can’t get in CGI spectacle is made up for with compelling stories. Stories are why these characters have survived so long in the first place.

Let’s face it: comic books are soap operas for dudes. And that’s EXACTLY why The CW is hitting it out of the park. They’re taking the very foundation of comic books and making it exactly that. They are serials. They are soaps. They are continuing, seemingly never-ending stories… as they SHOULD be. They are comic books in live action. Each episode of Arrow is like a single issue of a comic book, whereas we just finished “Issue” #46 (episode 46). Movies can’t do that.

Movies have an impossible task of taking 70+ years of comic book history and making ONE, two-hour film that is the all-encompassing interpretation of all those decades. The Dark Knight Rises tried to incorporate the Knightfall saga, which is roughly 73+ issues, into a two-hour movie that also represented Frank Miller’s The Dark Knight Returns as well as No Man’s Land. Chances are, you’re either going to use 5% of that material, or you’re going to cram so much stuff that it just irritates anyone with knowledge of the material. I’m not criticizing Nolan’s work (I love the trilogy dearly), but the very act of “adapting” any of this stuff to film is going to automatically start with the process of cutting and chopping. People will be unhappy.

Television has that challenge too… but not as much. Arrow has incorporated an INSANE amount of comic material, while even making room for inventing new characters out of thin air. It’s extraordinary. I realize the Batman archives have more material to choose from, but still.

My other point is, is this genre so prestigious and so “high-art” that it NEEDS to have these bloated, ridiculous budgets? Maybe I’m crazy, but the comic book was envisioned as a rag, a funny book, a throw-away magazine, like a TV Guide, or a People Magazine, or a National Enquirer, that you could fold up, roll up into your back pocket, spill chocolate milk on it… and when you were done reading it, you THREW IT AWAY BECAUSE IT WAS TRASH. It was trash art. Now it’s turned into this endeavor where a movie “fails” because it didn’t follow the interpretation of Issue #689 of Blah-Blah-Blah. It’s nuts. If anything, a medium like television is the most appropriate way to represent the genre. It’s cheap, it’s simple, it’s indefinite as opposed to a single film, and you keep coming back week to week for the next installment just like a comic book. And then you throw it away and move on to the next story, just like a soap opera.

Anyway, my overall thesis here is that I wouldn’t connect the shows to the films, because the shows have the potential to be better in the long run. And the total hours of content in live action shouldn’t turn into a Quantity vs. Quality debate, because the shows are clearly showing a higher quality than a LOT of films in the genre (in my opinion).
 
Arrow isn't better than the Burton Batman.

I still have yet to watch Arrow. 2 or 3 episodes deep in the first season. It feels just ok.
 
Arrow isn't better than the Burton Batman.

I still have yet to watch Arrow. 2 or 3 episodes deep in the first season. It feels just ok.

In my opinion, it's pretty damn close, man. :word:
I can't imagine a superhero show being any better. It's perfect in my eyes, and I wear my Nolan/Batman Freak stamp proudly on my sleeve daily on these boards. It ALMOST trumps those films, and it actually does in some ways.
 
Arrow has way too many flaws to be considered that great. Amnells acting still isn't what I'd call great and he definitely is nowhere near as great as Bale or Cavil. The only members of the cast good enough for film are probably Manut Bennet and David Ramsey.Vertigo was massacred and the current Deadshot would not pass on film. The fact of the matter is mistakes on a television are more easily forgiven than errors on film. Did anyone freak out when half Clark's enemies died on Smallvile? As far as television programs go Arrow is fine, but if a movie had been released with this cast using the villians from this show it would have been a laughing stock.
 
Arrow isn't better than the Burton Batman.

I still have yet to watch Arrow. 2 or 3 episodes deep in the first season. It feels just ok.

Keep watching it cause it's totally worth it. The first half of S1 was mediocre/bad, second half was better. First half of season 2 was fun. Second half of season 2 was pure comic book fun.

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