Donna Brazile admits the DNC acted as an arm of Hillary's campaign and why

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Our national debt is 20 trillion. Our 2016 GDP was 18 trillion. We can’t pay off our debt as it stands but to pay it off in 2 years as you suggest would mean no government spending...which would end our Country. We will never pay off our debt.

You are correct in that global lending is part of the global economy but what happens when a country can’t cover interest payments? They default, the lender loses money, and their debt is restructured as punitive damages against their taxpayers. It’s a house of cards that will eventually collapse. You can’t keep borrowing and borrowing and it’s very troubling when debt surpasses GDP.

It will eventually happen though I’m no expert to claim when.

I completely agree it's a house of cards BS tactic, the world is several trillion or more in debt to who exactly? Mars? Jupiter?

Money is all an illusion, it's not backed by gold anymore. It's basically only backed by the fact we continue to use it and give it value. This is why Bitcoin and other digi-currencies have been skyrocketing.

But until we move away from manual labor and get smart with things like universal basic income it will always be a big factor in our lives as well as a tool used to oppress those without a lot of it. Plain and simple.

I know the general idea, though I'm no expert. I think Chase covered a lot of my thoughts on it well enough.

For a person that loves to tout how much research they do on things you are surprisingly ignorant on a wide variety of subjects. It's explained much better by the below comment.

The deficit is the difference between what the government takes in and the amount of money its spends.. something like 700 billion in 2017. The national debt is our total acquired debt over time... something like 20 trillion dollars.

While the debt increased over Obama, our annual deficit decreased.

Exactly, my 2 years was an extreme and absurd example but very simply if the government wanted to reduce the national debt it could do so very easily with minimal impact on the average American. Debt makes the world go around though so having a smaller debt number is not anymore useful than a big debt number to folks like all of us.

 

[chaseter]

The deficit is the difference between what the government takes in and the amount of money its spends.. something like 700 billion in 2017. The national debt is our total acquired debt over time... something like 20 trillion dollars.

While the debt increased over Obama, our annual deficit decreased.

Let me explain it in simpler terms:

If I make $10 a year but spend $15, I’ve increased my debt by $5. If the next year I make $11 but still spend $15, I’ve added $4 more to my debt. But, fun accounting will allow me to say that I’ve decreased the deficit 20%. No one wants to hear that I’ve actually increased my debt by 80%. That’s not positive.

A decreasing deficit is hinged on two things; economy and spending. The economy was increasing in $$ more than Obama was spending in $$ so the deficit decreased. That’s great but he also doubled the national debt.

The deficit means absolutely nothing as long as the debt keeps increasing.

 

[chaseter]

I’ll agree with your reply DJ.

 

[Chance Jackson]

Talking Points Memo - Donna Brazile Needs to Back Up Her Self-Serving Claims

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/donna-brazile-needs-to-back-up-her-self-serving-claims

Let's also talk about getting rid of the caucus system where Bernard got disproportional support and replacing them with democratic primaries.

Make those open primaries and you won't get any complaints from me

 

[Chance Jackson]

https://mobile.***********/scottdetrow/status/926492339987800064 (Scott Detrow @ NPR)

Tom Perez in one disengenuos mother f**ker while the Unity and Reform committee has both Sanders, Hillary, and Perez people on it the Sanders peopl are out numbered like 2 to 1 even still the Unity and Reform committee are doing serious transparent work, all the changes proposed have to go to the Rules committee for approval to be adopted one of those changes proposed is to allow the Executive committee to see the DNC budget going forward currently only the Treasurer and DNC Ccair get to see it

BUT

Last week Perez removed every Bernie/Keith Ellison Supporter from both the Rules and Executive Committees which was a big story among progressive circles with typical gaslighting from establishment figures looking to hide behind identity politics

Hopefully the brazile reveal will make it impossible for this BS to go on and if this won't do it nothing will

 

[The Overlord]

Pretty sure Matt has said it best (multiple times) the DNC/RNC are private organizations and are not beholden to anyone, including, but not limited to other registered party members. Do I think what they did is wrong and BS, sure do. End of the day all we can do is get out and vote, specifically in our state primaries, midterms, and the GE.

If this election doesn't prove that every single vote matters then we will be doomed to repeat this nonsense until this nation falls. When Americans wanted to voting age to be lowered to 18 it happened pretty damn quick because people got involved in the process.

If you didn't vote and were legally allowed to do so then you don't get to complain about anything as far as I'm concerned.

The problem with the GOP and DNC being private organizations is they end up being the ones that control the government, so they have a bigger impact on people's lives then say Netflix. These parties are part of the political process and thus they should be subject to different, stricter rules then other private groups.

Also its harder to argue that individual votes matter, if Hillary can just take over the party machinery and get a coronation. It seems like the Dems had no intention of giving the Bernie supporters a fair shake and rigged the process in her favor. Why should young progressives vote for them, if they don't want to take their concerns seriously.

I think voting is important, but the Dems should come up with better reasons for people to vote for them, other the fact that they are not the Republicans. The third way is dead and should be buried.

 

[Chance Jackson]

The problem with the GOP and DNC being private organizations is they end up being the ones that control the government, so they have a bigger impact on people's lives then say Netflix. These parties are part of the political process and thus they should be subject to different, stricter rules then other private groups.

Also its harder to argue that individual votes matter, if Hillary can just take over the party machinery and get a coronation. It seems like the Dems had no intention of giving the Bernie supporters a fair shake and rigged the process in her favor. Why should young progressives vote for them, if they don't want to take their concerns seriously.

I think voting is important, but the Dems should come up with better reasons for people to vote for them, other the fact that they are not the Republicans. The third way is dead and should be buried.

Amen, if they can't reform the dems will join the ash heap of history along with the Whigs

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah it's pretty obvious a more transparent system is needed. And impartial primaries sounds like fun! Some people may be a bit controversial and others controversial in the right way but I think that's what the process should be. No one should be born to rule

 

[MaceB]

Let me explain it in simpler terms:

If I make $10 a year but spend $15, I’ve increased my debt by $5. If the next year I make $11 but still spend $15, I’ve added $4 more to my debt. But, fun accounting will allow me to say that I’ve decreased the deficit 20%. No one wants to hear that I’ve actually increased my debt by 80%. That’s not positive.

A decreasing deficit is hinged on two things; economy and spending. The economy was increasing in $$ more than Obama was spending in $$ so the deficit decreased. That’s great but he also doubled the national debt.

The deficit means absolutely nothing as long as the debt keeps increasing.

I wouldn't say it's meaningless. It expresses a trend, not a single year. If I make $10 a year, but spend $15 in 20015, $12 in 20016, $10 in 2017... then I can forecast when I'll be able to pay off my debt, and I can create an ongoing budget that plans ahead.
You're voicing dismay that the budget is never adhered to. It changes every 2 years, every 4 years, every 8 years..and as a result, closely monitoring the deficit isn't very helpful in analyzing trends.
I wouldn't say it's meaningless. I'd say that politicians and voters have treated it as meaningless, and that creates the problem.
Past presidents deserve credit for lowering the deficit if they did so. It's not their fault that their successors didn't stick to the same game plan that they did. And even more than that, it's really the voter's fault for not enforcing a long view of these kinds of things.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

"Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary. Further we understand you may enter into similar agreements with other candidates."

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Creative/DNCMemo (002).pdf

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

The problem with the GOP and DNC being private organizations is they end up being the ones that control the government, so they have a bigger impact on people's lives then say Netflix. These parties are part of the political process and thus they should be subject to different, stricter rules then other private groups.

Also its harder to argue that individual votes matter, if Hillary can just take over the party machinery and get a coronation. It seems like the Dems had no intention of giving the Bernie supporters a fair shake and rigged the process in her favor. Why should young progressives vote for them, if they don't want to take their concerns seriously.

I think voting is important, but the Dems should come up with better reasons for people to vote for them, other the fact that they are not the Republicans. The third way is dead and should be buried.

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Would have happily voted for him in the GE. The simple answer is even though what the DNC did was scummy to you and I, they are going to do everything in their power to promote the party candidate that has not only been a member for several decades but also aligned with pushing their agenda. Bernie was a Dem for all of 11 months or so. His agenda was deemed to far left for them.

I don't particularly like the NeoLiberal BS Hillary was prone to but I certainly have far more in common with her agenda then I did with the insanity we currently have.

Go back and look at the numbers in the primaries, Bernie got crushed but a much wider margin than many seem to recall. Much more than the sandbagging tactics admitted to by Donna. In damn enar every state it wasn't even close. Why is that you ask?

Because it's pretty damn easy to go to a rally but making sure one is correctly registered to vote, showing up at the polls with required documents, or being smart and getting a mail in ballot way ahead of time actually takes some time, effort, and forethought to do and many of those people did not do that. You wanna vote in the primary in FL and other states that have closed primaries? Well then you better make sure to register for that party which takes all of 5 minutes online, or when you go to the DMV, or various other outlets to do so.

Then go look at all the dumbass write-in votes. I'm not talking about Third Party stuff. Go look at swing states like FL where I live and see how many wrote in Harambi or some other stupid s*** because they want to "prove a point". Really helped us out there didn't they?

While I don't think this was the election to send a message by voting a legitimate third party, I can't get too mad at anyone who chose to do so because in the end they at least voted to make themselves heard.

 

[souvlaki]

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Would have happily voted for him in the GE. The simple answer is even though what the DNC did was scummy to you and I, they are going to do everything in their power to promote the party candidate that has not only been a member for several decades but also aligned with pushing their agenda. Bernie was a Dem for all of 11 months or so. His agenda was deemed to far left for them.

I don't particularly like the NeoLiberal BS Hillary was prone to but I certainly have far more in common with her agenda then I did with the insanity we currently have.

Go back and look at the numbers in the primaries, Bernie got crushed but a much wider margin than many seem to recall. Much more than the sandbagging tactics admitted to by Donna. In damn enar every state it wasn't even close. Why is that you ask?

Because it's pretty damn easy to go to a rally but making sure one is correctly registered to vote, showing up at the polls with required documents, or being smart and getting a mail in ballot way ahead of time actually takes some time, effort, and forethought to do and many of those people did not do that. You wanna vote in the primary in FL and other states that have closed primaries? Well then you better make sure to register for that party which takes all of 5 minutes online, or when you go to the DMV, or various other outlets to do so.

Then go look at all the dumbass write-in votes. I'm not talking about Third Party stuff. Go look at swing states like FL where I live and see how many wrote in Harambi or some other stupid s*** because they want to "prove a point". Really helped us out there didn't they?

While I don't think this was the election to send a message by voting a legitimate third party, I can't get too mad at anyone who chose to do so because in the end they at least voted to make themselves heard.

Yeah, this is all the stuff that got me so riled up during the primary. Was Clinton my first choice to run? No, probably not in my top five candidates. But it was still blatantly obvious to anyone that even remotely understood how the primaries work that she would be the candidate by late February but there was a narrative that still kept getting pushed until June that Bernie could still win. Then there were the countless number of people (many of my friends included) that didn’t bother to take the time to learn their own state laws regarding primary voting and then complained about it when they showed up to vote and called the system rigged. Finally, a lot of those same people decided to not vote or vote third party because “both parties are the same” and shocker, those are the same people that post every day on Facebook about the ghoulish things Trump does on a daily basis.

I’m not saying none of this stuff matters or that people shouldn’t be upset about the primary being somewhat rigged but I am so sick of people that claim to be liberal using every excuse they can to get out of voting for a Democrat when the alternative is infinitely worse. It has not been a case of “lesser of two evils” in a long time, it’s more like the difference between the boring choice and the insane choice.

 

[The Overlord]

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Would have happily voted for him in the GE. The simple answer is even though what the DNC did was scummy to you and I, they are going to do everything in their power to promote the party candidate that has not only been a member for several decades but also aligned with pushing their agenda. Bernie was a Dem for all of 11 months or so. His agenda was deemed to far left for them.

I don't particularly like the NeoLiberal BS Hillary was prone to but I certainly have far more in common with her agenda then I did with the insanity we currently have.

Go back and look at the numbers in the primaries, Bernie got crushed but a much wider margin than many seem to recall. Much more than the sandbagging tactics admitted to by Donna. In damn enar every state it wasn't even close. Why is that you ask?

Because it's pretty damn easy to go to a rally but making sure one is correctly registered to vote, showing up at the polls with required documents, or being smart and getting a mail in ballot way ahead of time actually takes some time, effort, and forethought to do and many of those people did not do that. You wanna vote in the primary in FL and other states that have closed primaries? Well then you better make sure to register for that party which takes all of 5 minutes online, or when you go to the DMV, or various other outlets to do so.

Then go look at all the dumbass write-in votes. I'm not talking about Third Party stuff. Go look at swing states like FL where I live and see how many wrote in Harambi or some other stupid s*** because they want to "prove a point". Really helped us out there didn't they?

While I don't think this was the election to send a message by voting a legitimate third party, I can't get too mad at anyone who chose to do so because in the end they at least voted to make themselves heard.

Maybe Bernie was too left wing for the Dems, but really Clinton is not the safe choice if she lost to one of the worst candidates ever, so she was clearly not the safe choice she presented herself as. The party machinery foisted an unpopular candidate on the public and she failed to defeat someone like Trump, so yeah, promoting a bad candidate was a good way to make Trump get elected.

Trump defeated Clinton by using her third way policies against her and really a lot of the rust belt Dems didn't vote for her because of that, so who do the Dems represent anymore? They seem like they are stuck in the 90s and don't realize that things have changed.

So the Dems do not go as far left as Bernie, but they have to go more left wing then Hillary did and just sticking with the same polices that defeated them the last election is either insane or stupid, if they cannot learn from mistakes, than what purpose do they serve?

The Dems need a reason for people to vote for them, besides the fact that they are not Republicans.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, this is all the stuff that got me so riled up during the primary. Was Clinton my first choice to run? No, probably not in my top five candidates. But it was still blatantly obvious to anyone that even remotely understood how the primaries work that she would be the candidate by late February but there was a narrative that still kept getting pushed until June that Bernie could still win. Then there were the countless number of people (many of my friends included) that didn’t bother to take the time to learn their own state laws regarding primary voting and then complained about it when they showed up to vote and called the system rigged. Finally, a lot of those same people decided to not vote or vote third party because “both parties are the same” and shocker, those are the same people that post every day on Facebook about the ghoulish things Trump does on a daily basis.

I’m not saying none of this stuff matters or that people shouldn’t be upset about the primary being somewhat rigged but I am so sick of people that claim to be liberal using every excuse they can to get out of voting for a Democrat when the alternative is infinitely worse. It has not been a case of “lesser of two evils” in a long time, it’s more like the difference between the boring choice and the insane choice.

Except there is very little enthusiasm for a party that offers very little besides being better then an insane choice, you can build up enthusiasm when you are voting for someone, rather then just against their opponent.

The fact that many people viewed the Clinton era neo liberal policies as a failure, is what let Trump win and even if he didn't win, Clinton winning would not have silenced the populist feelings that created the Trump movement. If the Dems want to continue down this third way path, what stops someone like Trump winning again?

 

[Silvermoth]

That's pretty much it. If you don't fix the system it's just going to keep making people like Trump. You can impeach them all

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Honestly we just need to do the go-to tech support fix of turning it off and back on again. By that I mean fire everyone, Dems and R's, then just hold elections and exclude all those people (also get rid of corprote campaign financing).

 

[SV Fan]

Make those open primaries and you won't get any complaints from me

I have to agree they really need to get rid of caucuses and should also get rid of closed primaries. It's sort of funny that the Sanders side was complaining about closed primaries when they seemed to gain alot of ground in the caucuses(you could find a couple states Bernie won by alot in a caucus that had anon binding primary a month later that Clinton won, you don't see Clinton supporters screaming unfair but I am guessing the Sanders side would)

 

[Shazam]

She stole the election from Bernie!! This is political dynamite and the media isn’t even covering it. Only Fox is shining a light on it

 

[JewishHobbit]

For a person that loves to tout how much research they do on things you are surprisingly ignorant on a wide variety of subjects. It's explained much better by the below comment.

A.K.A. - "You are conservative, thus, I must insult you."

Fairly stereotypical, but alright.

Apparently you haven't caught on to something I've openly said over and over again. I'm not overly political and merely follow politics casually. I've never claimed anything more. I'm sorry if my casual interest doesn't match your standards of political knowledge.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

A.K.A. - "You are conservative, thus, I must insult you."

Fairly stereotypical, but alright.

Apparently you haven't caught on to something I've openly said over and over again. I'm not overly political and merely follow politics casually. I've never claimed anything more. I'm sorry if my casual interest doesn't match your standards of political knowledge.

Actually, and many others have called you out for it time and time again, all you do is go into a political thread touting either unverified BS (aka "fake news") and/or attempt to stir s*** up by playing the stupid card with the whole "I'm just not the into politics" gimmick and then once people actually correct you with facts showing why you're completely wrong you then say "I'm bored and this no longer amuses me" so that you don't have to try and attempt to defend your positions because God forbid you challenge the way you think JewHob.

But you do you homie, keep thinking fringe websites/blogs/podcasts somehow give you correct information to base your reality off of. The rest of us will be over here in the real world.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

She stole the election from Bernie!! This is political dynamite and the media isn’t even covering it. Only Fox is shining a light on it

You have to explain the mechanism. HOW? What happened at the DNC that made more vote for Clinton than Sanders? Explain that? Cuz with the online Fake News and ads (in the literal hundreds of millions seen by the electorate) the connection is clear... Unless you think all those big corporations that spend enormous amounts on advertising are on some fools' errand? Cuz there is more a direct link to people seeing misinformation and believing it and acting off said bad information than there is to the intra-party shenanigans at the DNC resulting in more people in the primaries choosing Clinton over Sanders. Unless your contention is there was a massive, MASSIVE voter fraud incident which... There is zero proof of. So... How does that equal a "stolen" nomination? Answer... It doesn't.

 

[Grommers]

Actually, and many others have called you out for it time and time again, all you do is go into a political thread touting either unverified BS (aka "fake news") and/or attempt to stir s*** up by playing the stupid card with the whole "I'm just not the into politics" gimmick and then once people actually correct you with facts showing why you're completely wrong you then say "I'm bored and this no longer amuses me" so that you don't have to try and attempt to defend your positions because God forbid you challenge the way you think JewHob.

But you do you homie, keep thinking fringe websites/blogs/podcasts somehow give you correct information to base your reality off of. The rest of us will be over here in the real world.

Eh - I don't think many people who share the info like he did, actually go in their with the intention to "flame" or "bait" into a **** storm, but look at an article read it, then assume the journalist did their research effectively and they understood what the journalist got across.

I often find with political debates in general it's usually a lack of understand of the english language and it being man made has its own flaws.

Now, I have a massive issue with them not covering this scandal, given how much they tried pushing for the russian/trump ties that obviously have not got him impeached, because personally I think this is a much bigger deal, I know if I had someone legitimately working against me in my own party, and the people were like "oh okay i guess we are going for hilary", I'd feel massively betrayed knowing this went on, much more so then even if "russia" happened, because an internal force is nothing to blame but themselves, at least they can blame Russia in the other circumstance.

 

[Sithborg]

May want to take a small look at the Paradise Papers...

 

[JewishHobbit]

Actually, and many others have called you out for it time and time again, all you do is go into a political thread touting either unverified BS (aka "fake news") and/or attempt to stir s*** up by playing the stupid card with the whole "I'm just not the into politics" gimmick and then once people actually correct you with facts showing why you're completely wrong you then say "I'm bored and this no longer amuses me" so that you don't have to try and attempt to defend your positions because God forbid you challenge the way you think JewHob.

Correction... I just come to talk like anyone does in any other thread on this site. I'm respectful and am just out to have a good time. If my differing opinion stirs you all up it's because some of you are as fragile as egg shells. Grow up.

 

[Donner]