DUI Advice.

[chaseter]

His job is not to help you get out of trouble though, his job is to enforce the law. I dig that it would've been nice to know what was going to happen before you made a choice but... and I hate to sound like a *****e, you should've known better.

I deserved the MIP, but he could have informed us not to lie to him to dodge a Class B. People get nervous and don't think. Being personable and up front with people goes a long way. Cops that think they are God's gift to this planet and think they have unlimited power, which too many think, need to be slapped. Making people have good experiences with the police force is better than getting off with your power. Why do you think so many people hate cops? I respect them for their service but I don't respect them for their attitude. Too many d-bags are cops that were d-bags in high school, not all are like that so don't think of that as a blanket statement.

Its not a cops job to keep people out of trouble but that guy was an *******, and it has nothing to do with you telling the truth or not.

He was an ***hole, there are no two ways to it. I understand he was doing his job, but do you respect the auto shop that slips in extra services to make more money and puts it on the bill after it is done? Does anybody respect the insurance company that has things in fine print that they know you won't read? I don't sit at home and read the penal code to know that in Texas - "Up to a felony charge can be levied for promoting the use of, or owning more than six *****s."

Yes, that has happened here. A sex shop clerk here was arrested and charged for having more than 6 *****s in the store that she didn't own, she only worked there. Now, the cops could have come in and said did you know that, take some down. No, they arrested her and it was an extremely big deal here. Those are d-bag cops.

 

[Anita18]

Glad to see you're not one of these little idiots that brush off the DUI like it's a parking ticket and ****. I see this all the time.

Agreed. Glad you've seen the wrong of what you did, Bat-Gasm. And don't be afraid of letting your friends know so they can help you out with this whole "knowing your drinking limit" thing.

Your insurance will go up....unless of course besides being a drunk driver you are one of those inconsiderate folks that drive without insurance.

Oh, ugh, insurance. Mine went up because I'm paying for my own (vs my parents and their multicar discount) AND I just got a new car. But I'm lucky - I'm a 25-y-o woman. Guys under 25 get SHAFTED on insurance. Mostly because a lot of you drive stupidly.

Yeah, I think the DUI laws often vary by state, but usually it isn't tooooooo bad if it's your first offense and you didn't cause any damage.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I deserved the MIP, but he could have informed us not to lie to him to dodge a Class B. People get nervous and don't think. Being personable and up front with people goes a long way. Cops that think they are God's gift to this planet and think they have unlimited power, which too many think, need to be slapped. Making people have good experiences with the police force is better than getting off with your power. Why do you think so many people hate cops? I respect them for their service but I don't respect them for their attitude. Too many d-bags are cops that were d-bags in high school, not all are like that so don't think of that as a blanket statement.

Oh I know that some cops are *****ebags. So are some bag boys, car salesmen, presidents, Christians, and doctors. My point being is that I would wager a guess that most cops don't want or need you to respect their attitude. Their primary concern is with the law and it being followed.

Same thing with car salesmen, presidents, Christians, and doctors they are concerned with their "thing" more than you (selling cars, getting votes, Jesus, your health). If that means that they have to be shady, rude, lie, preach, and give you an experimental treatment to prove that you don't have lupus they will do it.

He was an ***hole, there are no two ways to it. I understand he was doing his job, but do you respect the auto shop that slips in extra services to make more money and puts it on the bill after it is done? Does anybody respect the insurance company that has things in fine print that they know you won't read? I don't sit at home and read the penal code to know that in Texas - "Up to a felony charge can be levied for promoting the use of, or owning more than six *****s."

Yes, that has happened here. A sex shop clerk here was arrested and charged for having more than 6 *****s in the store that she didn't own, she only worked there. Now, the cops could have come in and said did you know that, take some down. No, they arrested her and it was an extremely big deal here. Those are d-bag cops.

I realize that this cop could've told you "don't lie cause it'll make it worse for you" and if I were in his situation I probably would've told you that you shouldn't lie not out of courtesy or anything, just to scare you into telling the truth.

 

[Hound55]

Give me a f***ing break...

You need to be TOLD not to lie to a police officer?

Of course its a f***ing offense... s### REFUSING to give your age is an offence.

That's not a cop being a d-bag (not to say that there are no cases where that would be an apt description), that's you being an idiot.

 

[chaseter]

No **** you aren't suppose to lie to a cop. No one is refuting that...Jesus Christ some of you are thick headed

All I complained about is not being warned that lying would get you thrown in jail. I was drunk, I deserved the MIP, I was stupid...I thought lying would save my ass and he would just walk away. But, he knew we were drinking and instead of talking to us and being personable, he asked us once and then called a squad car. That is being a *****e. I already made an example of the owning 6+ sex devices at once. Did you know that having 7 *****s would get you thrown in jail in Texas? No, neither did the store clerk that is facing felony charges. The fact that lying about my age but giving my ssn, my name, and my dob but a fake age when he has all the information anyways to say you are lying, fess up or go to jail, but didn't do so showed that he is a *****e. What if all cops acted like that? What if all service industries acted like that?

Had I lied after being warned, then I would have deserved every bit of it. He could have been nice, that is the debate. No one is debating if lying is wrong or right so please stop harping on that.

 

[katie_girl09]

His job is not to help you get out of trouble though, his job is to enforce the law. I dig that it would've been nice to know what was going to happen before you made a choice but... and I hate to sound like a *****e, you should've known better.

No you don't. You love it.

 

[terry78]

**** tha police. **** **** **** tha police.

 

[chaseter]

I was with my family leaving a restaurant and a cop was sitting in the parking lot and getting people that left the parking lot and didn't put on their seat belt before touching the road. That is being a *****e. I have a friend who was throwing a party inside their house, cops knew it, and came to the door and they didn't open the door because they have no business being there, they weren't being loud and they had no search warrant. The cops busted in and in court said that they heard someone yell for help That is being a *****e.

 

[Hound55]

No **** you aren't suppose to lie to a cop. No one is refuting that...Jesus Christ some of you are thick headed

All I complained about is not being warned that lying would get you thrown in jail. I was drunk, I deserved the MIP, I was stupid...I thought lying would save my ass and he would just walk away. But, he knew we were drinking and instead of talking to us and being personable, he asked us once and then called a squad car. That is being a *****e. The fact that lying about my age but giving my ssn, my name, and my dob but a fake age when he has all the information anyways to say you are lying, fess up or go to jail, but didn't do so showed that he is a *****e. What if all cops acted like that? What if all service industries acted like that?

Had I lied after being warned, then I would have deserved every bit of it. He could have been nice, that is the debate. No one is debating if lying is wrong or right so please stop harping on that.

You shouldn't NEED to be warned.

Knowing full well that:
its against the law to lie or withhold your age to a cop (as you've now said you know/knew)
and knowing that he can easily find out your real age

And then choosing to lie to said cop anyway... what parts of that come down to him being a d-bag and you not being an idiot?

So you know this guy's got you for MIP... and you know he can find out your age if you're dumb enough to give a false one. How is it not you being an idiot by choosing to throw another offense on top of the one you know he's already got you for... and then complain that he didn't warn you?

What the hell were you trying to acheive?

 

[Majic Walrus]

No you don't. You love it.

Kinda... But he's is my friend and I don't want to sound like a *****e to him.

I was with my family leaving a restaurant and a cop was sitting in the parking lot and getting people that left the parking lot and didn't put on their seat belt before touching the road. That is being a *****e.

Yeah that whole... enforcing a law designed to save lives by getting people to wear seat belts. What a *****e.



I guess I'm not doing a very good job of not sounding like a *****e.

 

[xisaacx]

I have friends who do it daily, I have friends who have had DUIs, And a close friend whose dead because of it. Its really not worth it.

 

[terry78]

I was sitting in class the other night and this one dude was talking to this chick about it all casual. "Yeah, I got a dui earlier this month. My buddy said when he got his he just needed to request such and such, etc." The ****.

 

[katie_girl09]

I have friends who do it daily, I have friends who have had DUIs, And a close friend whose dead because of it. Its really not worth it.

I'm sorry.

 

[xisaacx]

I'm sorry.

I am to. When you have idiot friends and know people who say " I drive better drunk" it makes you really think...like how f***ing ******ed some people are.

 

[chaseter]

You shouldn't NEED to be warned.

Knowing full well that:
its against the law to lie or withhold your age to a cop (as you've now said you know/knew)
and knowing that he can easily find out your real age

And then choosing to lie to said cop anyway... what parts of that come down to him being a d-bag and you not being an idiot?

So you know this guy's got you for MIP... and you know he can find out your age if you're dumb enough to give a false one. How is it not you being an idiot by choosing to throw another offense on top of the one you know he's already got you for... and then complain that he didn't warn you?

What the hell were you trying to acheive?

For the last time, I did not know that lying about your age would get you thrown in jail. READ. Can you not connect the dots with the other example I gave you? If I knew the amount of trouble I would get into, I would not have done it. Not that hard to comprehend. I didn't know the amount of trouble I could get into because I am not a laywer or judge that studies the penal code for half my life and he didn't inform me. Do you know every single law where you live? Do you know the consequences of each of those acts? No you don't and neither did I. Being an officer of law would make you realize that most people don't have an updated list of current laws that they sit home and read. Being a nice officer of that law and informing the people what is happening and what could happen not only saves everyone trouble, it also builds up a better reputation for your name and your job. To add to all of that, I was drunk and he knew it. That means that your senses and thinking abilities are slightly impaired. So, I would guess that I was not in my right mind. So, I thought I would get off the hook. He knew that as well. Lets add to the fact that I had nothing on my record and had never ever been in trouble, I was scared.

There is nothing else to discuss. If you want to think all cops are these valiant, selfless heroes then that is fine. Some of them are. Some of them are *****es and in my experiences, more of them are a-holes than actual selfless servants.

 

[chaseter]

I am to. When you have idiot friends and know people who say " I drive better drunk" it makes you really think...like how f***ing ******ed some people are.

I have lost a family member to drunk driving and I hate people that drink and drive. I had a friend in high school who was on the phone with one of her good friends and he was killed with her on the phone with him when a drunk driver ran a stop light. Can anyone imagine having to go through that, being on the phone with a good friend getting killed? That story still gets to me. I also have an alcoholic great uncle that has had 3 DWI's and is looking at some long jail time. Nice guy, but I don't feel the least bit sad for him.

 

[xisaacx]

I have lost a family member to drunk driving and I hate people that drink and drive. I had a friend in high school who was on the phone with one of her good friends and he was killed with her on the phone with him when a drunk driver ran a stop light. Can anyone imagine having to go through that, being on the phone with a good friend getting killed? That story still gets to me. I also have an alcoholic great uncle that has had 3 DWI's and is looking at some long jail time. Nice guy, but I don't feel the least bit sad for him.

Yeah, like I try as much as I can to look out for some of the kids I know. And I have stopped talking to a lot of them cause it just got old getting calls at 3 am about them being to drunk at the bar to drive home and their cars were at the bar. Some people just never learn and never grow up.

 

[Hound55]

For the last time, I did not know that lying about your age would get you thrown in jail.

But you knew it was an offense.

READ.

I do.

Can you not connect the dots with the other example I gave you?

I saw the other examples as you attempting to deflect fault by bringing up cases where officers have clearly gone out of their way to be d-bags.

If I knew the amount of trouble I would get into, I would not have done it. Not that hard to comprehend. I didn't know the amount of trouble I could get into because I am not a laywer or judge that studies the penal code for half my life and he didn't inform me.

So you chose to infring on the law you knew about and then look to shift deflect blame or b**** that officers didn't go out of their way to tell you the consequences of the law it appears you knew you were breaking.

They don't have to.

Its against the law. Don't do it.

Do you know every single law where you live?

As a matter of fact, I do. But you're not me. It's also not particularly relevent since you did know what you were doing was against the law.

Do you know the consequences of each of those acts?

I have a rough idea. But this is also irrelevant because if I know something is against the law... *shock*... I don't do it. Or I at least don't look to shift blame, lie or do any number of things which could only serve to make my situation worse if I were to do it. i.e. if caught jaywalking (which isn't what its called down here).

No you don't and neither did I. Being an officer of law would make you realize that most people don't have an updated list of current laws that they sit home and read.

You knew enough though to know that it was illegal...

Being a nice officer of that law and informing the people what is happening and what could happen not only saves everyone trouble, it also builds up a better reputation for your name and your job.

It also increases the likelihood of the police officer getting in trouble himself if he misquotes something... they're not lawyers. They have a general idea of what is and isn't against the law and have a reasonable idea of what consequence is more likely to come from various infringements but they don't KNOW that themselves either.

To add to all of that, I was drunk and he knew it. That means that your senses and thinking abilities are slightly impaired. So, I would guess that I was not in my right mind. So, I thought I would get off the hook. He knew that as well. Lets add to the fact that I had nothing on my record and had never ever been in trouble, I was scared.

You thought you could weasel out by breaking another law. You got caught. That doesn't make him a d-bag.

He's doing his job. You broke the law. You then made a stupid decision. You now consider him a d-bag for not warning you of the repercussions of something that you already knew to be against the law.

There is nothing else to discuss. If you want to think all cops are these valiant, selfless heroes then that is fine. Some of them are. Some of them are *****es and in my experiences, more of them are a-holes than actual selfless servants.

I've never said that. In fact I even specifically stated otherwise in the post above.

Once again.

READ.

 

[chaseter]

Agree to disagree. I think cops should be personable, friendly, and informative when the time calls for it. Their salary is paid by the people they serve and if you want to be trusted and be well received in the community then that is what you need to do. You disagree with me, that is fine.

I don't need to be taking advice from someone who wasn't in my situation so thanks.

 

[Hound55]

Agree to disagree. I think cops should be personable, friendly, and informative when the time calls for it. Their salary is paid by the people they serve and if you want to be trusted and be well received in the community then that is what you need to do. You disagree with me, that is fine.

I agree with all of this though.

That said, you knew it was against the law. You did it anyway.

You do know that if that officer tells you something then that officer will be held accountable for what he said, right?

He can't just come out and suggest what may or may not happen if he finds out you're lying to him, because if he gets it wrong his life has just been made a hell of a lot more difficult.

I don't need to be taking advice from someone who wasn't in my situation so thanks.

This sounds like more weaseling out.

 

[chaseter]

Owning 6 *****s is against the law here. The store clerk didn't know that. I didn't know that lying to a police officer about your age was a Class B misdemeanor, which is on the same level as getting caught with weed and shoplifting. I said that...many times in here. Had I known it was a jailable offense, I already said I wouldn't have done it. If I knew that I would spent the night in jail for saying I was 21 instead of 18, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT!...if I knew the penal code. The cop knew the penal code and decided not to enlighten us on it. He wouldn't lose his job if he told us that unless he has to meet a quota. But, all the police systems deny working on quotas. He had no reason not to tell me otherwise.

You live in Australia, so you lecturing me on my state's penal code and an officer's duties concerning my situation isn't weaseling out. You want to disagree with me so there is nothing to discuss. I presented my point, you presented yours. If you want police officers, doctors, fire fighters, etc... to do nothing more than is required to keep their jobs then that is your opinion. If you want to be respected, adored, and admired in your community, then that is not the way to operate. I want a police officer to not be an *** hole when the situation doesn't call for being one.

Another example: This happened to me 2 years ago. I got pulled over on the highway for going 72 in a 70. Meanwhile, a pickup passed me. That means that he was going faster then me. The cop turned on his lights, pulled me over, and asked why I was speeding. I said sorry as I didn't realize and I never speed and had on my cruise control but that pickup passed me so he was speeding...maybe you clocked him and not me? Of course not, I was wrong. He told me to quit speeding and to not disrespect a police officer. I said yes sir and I got a written warning. That *** knew that he was wrong and I wasn't going to argue as I know I wouldn't win.

On the other hand, I have meet some friendly cops that are more than happy to go out of their way for their community. But, those are a handful in my experiences.

 

[Hound55]

My intention was to get you to take responsibility for your actions.

From the sound of what happened it wasn't that officer being a d-bag, it was you being an idiot.

The situation could have been easily resolved if you hadn't lied about your age.

As for your new situation, that was pretty hard arsed of the cop. Down here there's a general unspoken, unofficial rule where the cops will give you "10% or 10KM/HR". Of course they're still legally entitled to ping you for speeding if its less than that but most won't bother.

That said, that was a tu quoque argument you were offering the officer and if it were myself I'd have probably kept mum on the issue (which you later had the good sense to do) because 1. It doesn't justify you speeding. and 2. No good would have come of it.

 

[terry78]

See, this thread started all somber, now it's just entertaining, dawg.

 

[Hound55]

I don't need to be taking advice from someone who wasn't in my situation so thanks.

Not to mention that the advice I'm giving you, would probably keep your arse out of prison...

For someone who was craving to know what the consequences to his actions were you seem awfully dismissive when someone tries to give you perspective...

 

[chaseter]

My intention was to get you to take responsibility for your actions.

Thanks PAPA! Please raise my allowance.

Not to mention that the advice I'm giving you, would probably keep your arse out of prison...

For someone who was craving to know what the consequences to his actions were you seem awfully dismissive when someone tries to give you perspective...

WTF!? This already happened. I learned my lesson. Why do I need you telling me not to do it again?