Sci-Fi Dune

[Calvin Ellis]

Both Dune 2000 and Children of Dune remain as the definitive versions of Dune for me, especially Children of Dune which I just love to pieces and the score in that series alone will always remain as some of my favorite bits of music ever and I am going to try and re-watch both before this comes out. There has always been room for improvement though which is why I'm so excited for this modern adaptation.

As for Denis vs. Nolan I honestly think there both great directors who have made plenty of films that I either loved or thought were great at worst. I just wish Denis had way more success with his films commercially, because he deserves the recognition.

Agreed. The director's cut for the movies were great as well. As some have said yes there was room for improvement but for the budget and time it was made it was a great series. What they also had going for it is that since it was on TV it gave it more time to go deeper into the world of Dune, story and develop the characters better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The Emperor and Feyd not being in this feels off, but I guess the idea is they are looming ideas that hype your for the sequel.

One thing I absolutely adore about this trailer is how I can see exactly where Denis got things from his past movies for this one, while it all looking perfectly like Dune at the same time.

 

[famicommander]

The only Nolan action sequences that are hard to follow are some of his clumsily-choreographed hand-to-hand fights in the Batman movies, and the only Nolan character who's hard to understand is Bane.

The sound issue is a known, recurring issue and it appears to be intentional:
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I had to turn on subtitles for Interstellar.

 

[KaijuDude1992]

Inama Nushif is just one of those bits of music that I believe will stick with me until the end of time. I make sure to listen to it at multiple, random times throughout the year. I don't why, but I just find it so beautifully soothing and otherwordly which is perfectly suited for a property like Dune.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

At least he made a lot better Blade Runner movie then Ridley Scott.

Eh, they are very different movies.

I'm just happy they didn't poop the bed when making a sequel because too many revivals turn out meh/bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Eh, they are very different movies.

I'm just happy they didn't poop the bed when making a sequel because too many revivals turn out meh/bad.

Yes, one hates women, the other is Denis' film.

 

[famicommander]

At least he made a lot better Blade Runner movie then Ridley Scott.

I just wish Scott would've stopped meddling with Blade Runner so much.

I think it's a better film and a better story if Deckard is human, personally. It should make the character and the viewer question his humanity, but ultimately I think a human and a replicant falling in love is a better ending than two replicants falling in love. We've already seen replicants loving replicants.

It also doesn't make much sense that Deckard would be out-matched physically against the earlier replicants if he's a newer, more advanced version purpose-engineered to be a Blade Runner. If the other Blade Runners know that he's a replicant (and Olmos' character shows that they do), why would they send him out there to retire Roy and the others knowing they'd likely kick his ass (which they did; he only beats Roy because Roy's lifespan runs out)?

 

[Snow Queen]

I've never gotten around to reading Dune, but the trailer definitely is more than enough to get me interested. Well, I mean, Denis' name on it is enough to get me interested, but now I'm twice interested twice over, I guess. While I'm not big on Arrival and Enemy, Prisoners, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049 are just all damn perfect or as close as you'll get to it for me. His Blade Runner surprised me most, because at this point it leaves me really only wanting to revisit it between the two of them. It's everything I think the first does well done better and more. So I'm excited.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I just wish Scott would've stopped meddling with Blade Runner so much.

I think it's a better film and a better story if Deckard is human, personally. It should make the character and the viewer question his humanity, but ultimately I think a human and a replicant falling in love is a better ending than two replicants falling in love. We've already seen replicants loving replicants.

It also doesn't make much sense that Deckard would be out-matched physically against the earlier replicants if he's a newer, more advanced version purpose-engineered to be a Blade Runner. If the other Blade Runners know that he's a replicant (and Olmos' character shows that they do), why would they send him out there to retire Roy and the others knowing they'd likely kick his ass (which they did; he only beats Roy because Roy's lifespan runs out)?

The reason they would want a replicant that does not over power the other models is they want the replicant to think they're human. If they had inhuman strength, clear indicator they are not human. Thus may have second thoughts about hunting its own.

But I think we should avoid debating story points of Blade Runner here. This is a Dune thread.

 

[DKDetective]

At least he made a lot better Blade Runner movie then Ridley Scott.

Ummm... Nooo. The original is tied with Das Boot as my favourite film of all time.

The whole cliched Messianic replicant plot and things related to that storyline really dragged 2049 down for me. And Leto was God awful and really distracts from the film. Rutger Hauer as Roy Batty was a vastly superior antagonist. Also, the Zimmer score paled in comparison to Vangelis' work, especially over the ending and the cut to black:

Cinematic perfection.

I've never gotten around to reading Dune, but the trailer definitely is more than enough to get me interested. Well, I mean, Denis' name on it is enough to get me interested, but now I'm twice interested twice over, I guess. While I'm not big on Arrival and Enemy, Prisoners, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049 are just all damn perfect or as close as you'll get to it for me. His Blade Runner surprised me most, because at this point it leaves me really only wanting to revisit it between the two of them. It's everything I think the first does well done better and more. So I'm excited.

For the reasons above, I gotta disagree with your position on 2049 improving on the original in every way.

However, if you have never read Dune, you have got to read it before you see the film. It's just such a fantastic and imaginative novel and needs to be enjoyed before an adaptation gives you pre-conceived notions.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

it takes place in a unlimited desert planet. What do you want the color grading to be?

To loo more like fantasy? Like those sand sequence in BR2049.

 

[Persona]

Dune trailer looks very expensive and polished but it is doing absolutely nothing for me.

 

[Lenny Jako]

Eh, I'd place Villeneuve ahead of Nolan for a few years now. I haven't seen Tenet yet, but have not truly enjoyed Nolan's film from TDKR till Dunkirk. I also feel like Villeneuve is much better at portraying emotion through his characters. I also don't want to derail the thread further, but Nolan ain't fit to wash Quentin's jockstrap at this time. I watched Incendies for the first time a few weeks ago and that hit me like a pile of bricks.

Yes funny how people forget Villeneuve's filmography and only remember some American work. Nolan is a great director, great ideas man, but I also view Denis as the duperior director in terms of refinement-nuance. He's not as famous or popular as Nolan but who cares. Also, so many lists are Hollywood focused and don't respect international creators. I also agree I hate ranking lists, but if I did one I doubt Nolan would make it. So not to knock him but it's like music wher I can appreciate the melody and all its intricte workings, but it doesn't move me where it counts like other melody. Similar. Not a huge fan of this teaser , but huge Villeneuve admirer.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ummm... Nooo. The original is tied with Das Boot as my favourite film of all time.

The whole cliched Messianic replicant plot and things related to that storyline really dragged 2049 down for me. And Leto was God awful and really distracts from the film. Rutger Hauer as Roy Batty was a vastly superior antagonist. Also, the Zimmer score paled in comparison to Vangelis' work, especially over the ending and the cut to black:

Cinematic perfection.

The antagonist of 2049 is Luv. I would not say she is a better antagonist then Roy, but I think she is comparable and that every other single thing in 2049 is better then original film, including their version of Tears in the Rain. It is probably my favorite film in terms of sound and visuals. I love how each scene is it's own mini-film, the transitions are the best, and how while K is the main character of the film, the film's story is told through this group of women all facing the same issue, in vastly different ways, because whether human, replicant or data, they are all individuals. Oh, and no rape played as a great romance with jazz over it.

While I know that the original film came out when it did, so it can't be helped. There is just nothing in it that can compare with how some of these scenes are put together. I could watch and listen to them all day, every single day. The transition scenes, are better then the original film itself imo. That's not even a joke.

 

[Persona]

I understand that BR2049 has a big following but for me it can't touch the mood, story, or theme of the original. Plus Vangelis and Rutger Hauer delivering career best work. 2049 is better than it has any right to be, though, and could have been great if the Her rip-off elements and cliched resistance subplot had been left out. I don't like the retconning at all but it is almost worth it just for that one moment where Deckard says, "I know what's real."

But back to Dune, this is a trailer that simultaneously is very bombastic and very stiff (a bad combo) and a bit incoherent. The footage looks as realized as you'd expect from Villeneuve working with a lot of money, but I dunno, maybe it is just a bad trailer. I don't think BR2049 is any sort of masterpiece but it was a lot better than the marketing let on, that's for sure.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I've never gotten around to reading Dune, but the trailer definitely is more than enough to get me interested. Well, I mean, Denis' name on it is enough to get me interested, but now I'm twice interested twice over, I guess. While I'm not big on Arrival and Enemy, Prisoners, Sicario, Blade Runner 2049 are just all damn perfect or as close as you'll get to it for me. His Blade Runner surprised me most, because at this point it leaves me really only wanting to revisit it between the two of them. It's everything I think the first does well done better and more. So I'm excited.

Dennis. God, you are the worst Canadian ever, Snow.

 

[DKDetective]

Denis. God, you are the worst Canadian ever, Snow.

Although we cannot agree on Blade Runner, I think we can agree on the fact that she needs to read the book ASAP.

I remember reading Dune and The Lord of the Rings back when I was 12 or 13 right before the Jackson trilogy and SciFi miniseries came out. Such a good time.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Although we cannot agree on Blade Runner, I think we can agree on the fact that she needs to read the book ASAP.

I remember reading Dune and The Lord of the Rings back when I was 12 or 13 right before the Jackson trilogy and SciFi miniseries came out. Such a good time.

I don't really read books multiple times, but I read Dune three times, and listened to the super long audio version at least five times. It's a shame only three books were ever written. I heard Herbert originally wanted to do 7.

 

[Snow Queen]

For the reasons above, I gotta disagree with your position on 2049 improving on the original in every way.

However, if you have never read Dune, you have got to read it before you see the film. It's just such a fantastic and imaginative novel and needs to be enjoyed before an adaptation gives you pre-conceived notions.

And hey, I'm glad you enjoy it more. That's always good.

Unfortunately I'm going to be more than a little busy the next couple months. But given that I fully expect it and Wonder Woman to get pushed back... well maybe I'll have time between now and when movies that aren't Tenet come out again.

Dennis. God, you are the worst Canadian ever, Snow.

Me? At least I know how to spell his name right the first time, unlike you.

 

[antsman41]

The Emperor and Feyd not being in this feels off, but I guess the idea is they are looming ideas that hype your for the sequel.

One thing I absolutely adore about this trailer is how I can see exactly where Denis got things from his past movies for this one, while it all looking perfectly like Dune at the same time.

The Emperor also wasn’t in “Star Wars.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Me? At least I know how to spell his name right the first time, unlike you.

 

[Schlosser85]

The Emperor also wasn’t in “Star Wars.

But the Emperor in Dune is directly involved in the events taking place in the time frame of this movie, unlike Palpatine in A New Hope.

 

[DKDetective]

The Emperor also wasn’t in “Star Wars.

But the Emperor in Dune is directly involved in the events taking place in the time frame of this movie, unlike Palpatine in A New Hope.

I dunno. It has been a while since I read the novel but I don't recall Shaddam making any actual physical appearances in the first half of Dune and just being spoken about by other characters. Harkonen was the face villain and Shaddam the shadowy puppet master. In that way, the Emperor in Star Wars and Shaddam are very much the same. Tarkin, Vader, etc. talk about the Emperor and his increasing dictatorship, but we don't see him.

 

[antsman41]

But the Emperor in Dune is directly involved in the events taking place in the time frame of this movie, unlike Palpatine in A New Hope.

But, barely...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I actually think it might be more effective to not show the Emperor considering while the betrayal is kind of out in the open, with the Baron already there, we have the proper villain, while the shadowy hand of fate is left in the shadows for now. Feyd is the one I am a bit iffy about, but I am sure DENIS (Read it Snow) will make it work.