No movie that has Patrick Stewart charging into battle while carrying a pug deserves to be lost to the sands of time.looks great.
david lynch 1984 version is becoming a distant memory now.![]()
try and pretend you don't see the curtain in the background)
I think 500 is a pretty low floor considering the first film made 400 with so many things against it and at a time it was mostly an unknown franchise to the general audience. I would say 550-650 is probably more likely if reviews and word to mouth are really good.500-600M worldwide by the end should be the mark WB is aiming for.
550 isn’t much higher. Imo WB should skew more conservatively in their expectations. After all, Dune 2 is yet another 2 hour and 45 minute blockbuster. We saw what happened last year with MI 7.I think 500 is a pretty low floor considering the first film made 400 with so many things against it and at a time it was mostly an unknown franchise to the general audience. I would say 550-650 is probably more likely if reviews and word to mouth are really good.
Runtime wasn't the problem with Mission Impossible. There are numerous films that are around three hours and are doing incredible well. Many don't even belong in a franchise. The problem with that film was its release date that resulted into losing screens and hype.550 isn’t much higher. Imo WB should skew more conservatively in their expectations. After all, Dune 2 is yet another 2 hour and 45 minute blockbuster. We saw what happened last year with MI 7.
Long run times definitely have a little do with it. For every Oppenhiemer that performs well there’s a Killers of the Flower Moon that doesn’t. I agree with your point about the 600+box office. I want it to reach that mark, but we shall see how the general audience responds.Runtime wasn't the problem with Mission Impossible. There are numerous films that are around three hours and are doing incredible well. Many don't even belong in a franchise. The problem with that film was its release date that resulted into losing screens and hype.
I actually think that Dune might end up making similar numbers which probably wouldn't be bad if it doesn't have an excessive budget. Considering it doesn't have much competition, 600+ is very much a possibility though. I just think that anything lower than 550 is probably underwhelming all things considered.
Do you think that Killers of the Flower Moon would do much better with a shorter runtime? Sure it was extremely long, we are talking 45 minutes longer than Dune and Mission Impossible by the way, but it's that with the combination of the genre and themes. A very slow crime drama is not the same as epic scale movies filled with action and suspense. Scorsese films rarely do well in cinemas anyway. Hugo has a perfectly reasonable duration, whilst being much more commercial and it still was a big box office bomb.Long run times definitely have a little do with it. For every Oppenhiemer that performs well there’s a Killers of the Flower Moon that doesn’t. I agree with your point about the 600+box office. I want it to reach that mark, but we shall see how the general audience responds.
We had an epic scale movie with action last year that heavily underperformed: Dial of Destiny. There are multiple factors in play whenever movies perform well or not. I maintain that runtime is one of those factors.Do you think that Killers of the Flower Moon would do much better with a shorter runtime? Sure it was extremely long, we are talking 45 minutes longer than Dune and Mission Impossible by the way, but it's that with the combination of the genre and themes. A very slow crime drama is not the same as epic scale movies filled with action and suspense. Scorsese films rarely do well in cinemas anyway. Hugo has a perfectly reasonable duration, whilst being much more commercial and it still was a big box office bomb.
That film had lukewarm reviews and very mixed word of mouth that was building for six weeks, alongside many spoiler leaks that people legitimately hated. I didn't say that big scale action movies necessarily do well, just that a long runtime doesn't seem to play a really important factor with fast paced films that people genuinely enjoy. And we're talking about a film with 15-20 minutes more than half of the blockbuster films nowadays, not with an extra hour or something.We had an epic scale movie with action last year that heavily underperformed: Dial of Destiny. There are multiple factors in play whenever movies perform well or not. I maintain that runtime is one of those factors.
I agree with most of your points. We just have different views on runtime being a detractor. Anecdotally, I have heard the phrase “This movie is just too long.” a lot of times. Indeed, we shall see.That film had lukewarm reviews and very mixed word of mouth that was building for six weeks, alongside many spoiler leaks that people legitimately hated. I didn't say that big scale action movies necessarily do well, just that a long runtime doesn't seem to play a really important factor with fast paced films that people genuinely enjoy. And we're talking about a film with 15-20 minutes more than half of the blockbuster films nowadays, not with an extra hour or something.
Anyway, I agree that are many factors that affect a performance so we'll see how this one will turn out.