Sci-Fi Dune

[dark_b]

Denis has said he doesnt do extended cuts and once a scenes cut its gone as far as he is concerned.

Speaking of cut scenes, I found another deleted scene in the Art and Soul of Dune book.

They filmed the scene of Duncan arriving on to Arrakis. It sounds awesome.

The Duncan Drop - Art and Soul of Dune page 128 & 130 - Tanya Lapointe

"The sequence began as Duncan looks down at Arrakis from his spacecraft. Pushing himself off the edge of the hatch, he plummets head down toward the planet, allowing the audience to discover Arrakis from his point of view. Duncan drops faster and faster toward the surface in a controlled fall alongside a rock face. As he approaches the ground, he activates his suspender belt and lands softly on a rocky elevation.

We filmed this scene with Jason in two locations. In Budapest and the Jordanian desert."

There are pictures from the scene in the book.

what was the point of filming this? there was zero chance this was going to be in the movie. no editor would left this in. you always have arriving scene once and it has to be when Paul and his family land on Arrakis. i get that you have to film more to give the editor options but this was never going to be in the movie.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

what was the point of filming this? there was zero chance this was going to be in the movie. no editor would left this in. you always have arriving scene once and it has to be when Paul and his family land on Arrakis. i get that you have to film more to give the editor options but this was never going to be in the movie.

They could have put it in as a flashback when Duncan is describing how he got in with the Fremen to Paul and Leto.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

what was the point of filming this? there was zero chance this was going to be in the movie. no editor would left this in. you always have arriving scene once and it has to be when Paul and his family land on Arrakis. i get that you have to film more to give the editor options but this was never going to be in the movie.

That scene with Duncan was in the script so I guess they were, in fact, planning on including that.

 

[Marvolo]

what was the point of filming this? there was zero chance this was going to be in the movie. no editor would left this in. you always have arriving scene once and it has to be when Paul and his family land on Arrakis. i get that you have to film more to give the editor options but this was never going to be in the movie.

There's no hard rule that you can only have one arrival. Especially when a location is the center of the film and where all the main players converge.

And they went through the trouble of filming this in two different countries and in a desert so at some point this scene was intended to be in the film.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Any update on the international numbers for this.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

There's no hard rule that you can only have one arrival. Especially when a location is the center of the film and where all the main players converge.

And they went through the trouble of filming this in two different countries and in a desert so at some point this scene was intended to be in the film.

That was the opening/pre-title scene in the script (dated September 24, 2018).

 

[OutOfBoose]

So that's what that space costume photo was. As much as cool it would've looked, I don't think it's necessary in the movie. But Leto definitely needed more development on Arrakis.

 

[shauner111]

Every movie has that amount of deleted scenes.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Any update on the international numbers for this.

More than $228 million according to WB.

Denis Villeneuve’s “Dune,” from Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures, Surpasses $300 Million at the Worldwide Box Office

 

[Comicbookguy339]

So that's what that space costume photo was. As much as cool it would've looked, I don't think it's necessary in the movie. But Leto definitely needed more development on Arrakis.

Kind of shows you that they didn't know how to best structure the film and present the exposition when they started filming. In that version of the script Paul and Duncan (obviously) don't have any scenes together until Arrakis, the Chani opening doesn't exist, the Herald of the Change does not visit Caladan etc.

 

[DarkKnight88]

A film isn’t made until the editing room. The script is just a blueprint, not the final cut.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

A film isn’t made until the editing room. The script is just a blueprint, not the final cut.

Depends on the film/filmmaker.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Depends on the film/filmmaker.

I don’t know a single filmmaker who said the edit didn’t change things. I mean, it has to.

 

[shauner111]

Depends on the film/filmmaker.

It doesn’t.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Kind of shows you that they didn't know how to best structure the film and present the exposition when they started filming. In that version of the script Paul and Duncan (obviously) don't have any scenes together until Arrakis, the Chani opening doesn't exist, the Herald of the Change does not visit Caladan etc.

In other words, that version of the script was much closer to the book, but it didn't work from cinematic standpoint, so the first act was expanded (for better, imo).

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I don’t know a single filmmaker who said the edit didn’t change things. I mean, it has to.

It doesn’t.

I'm not saying that there are no changes in the course of filming but here they had to (re)shoot quite a bit after principal photography (and we know they did as late as August 2020). Nolan, for example, never does reshoots. That means he more or less knows what he wants from the get-go.

 

[Drizzle]

All this talk of deleted scenes made me look into if any of Villeneuve's past films contained any deleted scenes on the Blu-ray releases and going as far back as Prisoners, none of them have so far. I'm really hoping that we see some of this footage on the home release for Dune but the track record is discouraging.

 

[DarkKnight88]

I'm not saying that there are no changes in the course of filming but here they had to (re)shoot quite a bit after principal photography (and we know they did as late as August 2020). Nolan, for example, never does reshoots. That means he more or less knows what he wants from the get-go.

Sounds more like he overshoots so he can play around in editing.

It all comes down to editing, just craft, just hammering it with my editor every day, trying radical cuts, pulling things out, abandoning bits of exposition, saying, ‘OK, does the audience really need to understand this? What if they don’t?’ I always overwrite the exposition in my scripts so that I’ve got multiple ways to get a point across. If you tell the audience something three times they won’t understand it, but if you tell them only once, they will. It’s an odd thing. So a lot of cutting for time is, for me, cutting for clarity. It’s finding where you can just pull dialogue out that you have overwritten, so you can find that one simple way an audience can get the right point.”

Christopher Nolan Says WB Would Have Loved ‘Dark Knight Rises’ In 3D; 5 Highlights From His Lengthy DGA Chat

 

[shauner111]

Nolan should cut more.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

More than $228 million according to WB.

Denis Villeneuve’s “Dune,” from Warner Bros. Pictures and Legendary Pictures, Surpasses $300 Million at the Worldwide Box Office

Thanks buddy, good to know

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

Sounds more like he overshoots so he can play around in editing.



Christopher Nolan Says WB Would Have Loved ‘Dark Knight Rises’ In 3D; 5 Highlights From His Lengthy DGA Chat

Yes, that's how most experienced directors work since most don't have the luxury of getting to do reshoots. You film a lot of material to give yourself options in the editing room since that process reveals so much about what works and what doesn't that you couldn't know beforehand. This is also why it was odd to criticize when productions like the MCU started doing planned reshoots since that's a great way to use the knowledge from the editing room on another level.

 

[Marvolo]

All this talk of deleted scenes made me look into if any of Villeneuve's past films contained any deleted scenes on the Blu-ray releases and going as far back as Prisoners, none of them have so far. I'm really hoping that we see some of this footage on the home release for Dune but the track record is discouraging.

We'll just have to hope at some point WB wants to re-release the film on home video and includes the deleted scenes without asking Denis' opinion. Or some generous WB employee leaks them.

 

[Drizzle]

We'll just have to hope at some point WB wants to re-release the film on home video and includes the deleted scenes without asking Denis' opinion. Or some generous WB employee leaks them.

Ideally they'd ask permission first. They already pissed off Nolan, they really shouldn't want to get on Denis' bad side especially after how outspoken he was about the HBO Max thing. Although I don't think he'd mind if some deleted scenes saw the light of day. It's not as drastic as, say, recutting the film without his involvement.

 

[Marvolo]

Yes, that's how most experienced directors work since most don't have the luxury of getting to do reshoots. You film a lot of material to give yourself options in the editing room since that process reveals so much about what works and what doesn't that you couldn't know beforehand. This is also why it was odd to criticize when productions like the MCU started doing planned reshoots since that's a great way to use the knowledge from the editing room on another level.

Options is one thing. Entirely normal. Cutting most of the characterization material out of a film and crucial scenes like the banquet and Jessica and Yueh's talk isnt normal. Downright bizarre when its a director that's never ever shown a concern for pacing or runtime.

I think the criticisms towards 2049 gave him a complex. Made him worry about pacing and runtime more than he should have and he tried to get Dune's runtime as low as he could. Resulting in this less than bare minimum theatrical cut. He'll probably never admit it tho.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

It doesn’t.

it sorta does. PTA mostly treats the screenplay as blueprint and finds the movie in post. At least since the Master.