Sci-Fi Dune

[flickchick85]

It definitely does. To me the ending of the movie is bad. It just ends abruptly. IMHO that's bad editing. Also, to not have Paul ever recite the Litany Against Fear, also bad editing.

Those are both writing/directorial choices. Not the editor’s call.

If Denis wanted a scene of Paul reciting the Litany Against Fear, he would have put it in the movie. Denis, Spaihts and Roth chose where Part One would end, not Joe Walker. He can only work with what he’s given, and I think he did exquisite work, personally.

 

[TheVileOne]

Those are both writing/directorial choices. Not the editor’s call.

If Denis wanted a scene of Paul reciting the Litany Against Fear, he would have put it in the movie. Denis, Spaihts and Roth chose where Part One would end, not Joe Walker. He can only work with what he’s given, and I think he did exquisite work, personally.

I mean, it could've been. I wasn't in the editing room.

 

[Still Wynning]

Well deserved except for Best Editing IMO. They cut a lot of good material out and the movie didn't even have a proper ending. Not to mention, they set up Paul getting his name, but they didn't even include that scene.

It definitely does. To me the ending of the movie is bad. It just ends abruptly. IMHO that's bad editing. Also, to not have Paul ever recite the Litany Against Fear, also bad editing.

Editing isn’t about material you think should have been written differently being excluded or scenes from the book that didn’t make it into the film. It’s about choosing the right footage from stuff that was already written in the script and filmed and getting the right flow, timing, rhythm and pacing from scene to scene throughout.

Paul not reciting the litany is not bad editing. That’s something from the book that was not included in the scripting phase. Editing refers to editing actual b-roll or footage. If you gave your same definition of what you think bad editing is to a group of actual film editors I guarantee you would be laughed out of the room.

 

[TheVileOne]

Editing isn’t about material you think should have been written differently being excluded or scenes from the book that didn’t make it into the film. It’s about choosing the right footage from stuff that was already written in the script and filmed and getting the right flow, timing, rhythm and pacing from scene to scene throughout.

Paul not reciting the litany is not bad editing. That’s something from the book that was not included in the scripting phase. Editing refers to editing actual b-roll or footage. If you gave your same definition of what you think bad editing is to a group of actual film editors I guarantee you would be laughed out of the room.

* Rhythm and timing of ending was bad
* Rhythm and timing of weirding way was bad
* Rhythm and timing of pain box was subpar - cutting to Lady Jessica instead of focusing on Paul. I didn't like that editing.

 

[Weather Witch]

* Rhythm and timing of ending was bad
* Rhythm and timing of weirding way was bad
* Rhythm and timing of pain box was subpar - cutting to Lady Jessica instead of focusing on Paul. I didn't like that editing.

Your problem with the ending seems to be that it... ended though. You claim it ends abruptly, though having just rewatched it I'd argue that both the editing and music have a very clear rhythm that indicates we are building towards the ending of this story.

It slowly sets us up for a 'walk into the sunset ending' while throwing in a stinger for part two. Whether it ends at a logical spot from a story perspective is a different well... story, but one unrelated to the current discussion. How would you have changed the editing to end in the exact same spot (and this specific shot), but have a better rhythm and timing? Did he need to hold longer on some shots? Shorter? More walking? Same for the weirding way scene. How could the editor have improved that in your opinion? What about the rhythm of the scene was off for you?

Saying the rhythm and timing of the Pain Box scene is subpar because the story focus of a scene is different than what you'd like just feels a bit disingenuous. The information the editor is asked to relay here is that Paul is going through a trial, while Jessica is suffering as well. If the story had asked for a focus only on Paul like you would've preferred, the editor would've created a very different scene. As others have pointed out above though that choice isn't on the editor.

Again, it is absolutely fine and valid to dislike some of these creative choices, but I really don't understand why you seem to be set on blaming Joe Walker for them.

 

[TheVileOne]

Your problem with the ending seems to be that it... ended though. You claim it ends abruptly, though having just rewatched it I'd argue that both the editing and music have a very clear rhythm that indicates we are building towards the ending of this story.

It slowly sets us up for a 'walk into the sunset ending' while throwing in a stinger for part two. Whether it ends at a logical spot from a story perspective is a different well... story, but one unrelated to the current discussion. How would you have changed the editing to end in the exact same spot (and this specific shot), but have a better rhythm and timing? Did he need to hold longer on some shots? Shorter? More walking? Same for the weirding way scene. How could the editor have improved that in your opinion? What about the rhythm of the scene was off for you?

It didn't feel like an effectively edited dramatic ending. It felt rushed.

Saying the rhythm and timing of the Pain Box scene is subpar because the story focus of a scene is different than what you'd like just feels a bit disingenuous. The information the editor is asked to relay here is that Paul is going through a trial, while Jessica is suffering as well. If the story had asked for a focus only on Paul like you would've preferred, the editor would've created a very different scene. As others have pointed out above though that choice isn't on the editor.

Again, it is absolutely fine and valid to dislike some of these creative choices, but I really don't understand why you seem to be set on blaming Joe Walker for them.

I respectfully disagree. The editing cuts to Jessica during the scene. It makes it feel like Jessica is almost connecting to Paul and willing him to survive the test. That was an editing misstep.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Seems like you are willfully misinterpreting that scene. Every other person understands why it’s intercut with Jessica.

 

[TheVileOne]

Seems like you are willfully misinterpreting that scene. Every other person understands why it’s intercut with Jessica.

I don't like that. It was a lazy, bad editing choice.

 

[Dr.]

Well, at least Villeneuve likes the editing in the Gom Jabbar scene.

 

[Eddie Dean]

Not liking it and being a bad lazy editing choice are different things

 

[green]

The only real scene I have issues with the editing is Paul and Jessica in the Stilltent. There are some shots of them around his prescient vision that just don't flow right. I think the Gom Jabbar scene is edited fine but agree on Jessicas very un-Bene Gesserit emotional response being an odd choice. I get why it was done but think using the death of Leto, which she barely reacts to in the stilltent scene, would have been a better place to show her vulnerability. After all it was her love of Leto, which is forbidden by the Bene Gesserit, that she chose to give birth to a boy and start this whole mess.

 

[Mjolnir Reborn]

The only real scene I have issues with the editing is Paul and Jessica in the Stilltent. There are some shots of them around his prescient vision that just don't flow right. I think the Gom Jabbar scene is edited fine but agree on Jessicas very un-Bene Gesserit emotional response being an odd choice. I get why it was done but think using the death of Leto, which she barely reacts to in the stilltent scene, would have been a better place to show her vulnerability. After all it was her love of Leto, which is forbidden by the Bene Gesserit, that she chose to give birth to a boy and start this whole mess.

They show her vulnerability more than once and I think it's a clear point in that it's mostly when she is alone. That's when she can afford to let her guard down as she otherwise keeps it up both for herself and for those that depend on her.

 

[Weather Witch]

The director of Chernobyl is now directing the first two episodes of Dune: The Sisterhood. DV was going to do the pilot originally, but he is too busy with the movie, which makes sense.

 

[Elayis]

Good choice; still bummed he couldn't do The Last of Us.

 

[GothamCity]

Hope part 2 is more action packed.

 

[Warmaster506]

We should with the Paul starting his Jihad.

 

[Weather Witch]

Hope part 2 is more action packed.

That's pretty much a given.

 

[Warmaster506]

Got to keep the normies entertained or they will cry Dune is not Fast and Furious.

 

[Albright]

how pretentious…

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, Part 1 already added a bunch of action. And there are some pretty epic action pieces to be expanded upon in Part 2.

 

[Sawyer]

WoOw

[/attempt at doing Walken voice in print]

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

THE SPICE IS GONNA BREAK

 

[Sawyer]

THE SPICE IS GONNA BREAK

Oh Goddammit, that was right in front of me.

 

[MOVIELORD101]

"Hey, you're talkin' to the Baron all wrong here! You do that again, I'll stab you in the face with a soddering iron."

 

[DarkKnight88]

Epic!