• Xenforo is upgrading us to version 2.3.7 on Thursday Aug 14, 2025 at 01:00 AM BST. This upgrade includes several security fixes among other improvements. Expect a temporary downtime during this process. More info here

The Penguin Episode 5: Homecoming (Spoiler Thread)

DarthSkywalker

🦉Your Most Aggro Pal (he/him)
Joined
Jun 16, 2004
Messages
130,852
Reaction score
77,071
Points
203
Sofia of the House Falcone, the First of Her Name, The Hangman, Queen of the Straights, Gays and Everyone Else, Queen of Arkham, Comare of the Great Flooded City, Protector of Our Hearts, Lady Regent of the Five Boroughs, Breaker of Necks and Mother of Simps.

9ced23d66b54ac30fe6da1a7b7c7591554ccceef.gifv
 
Love that Oz got his Batman Returns on and got himself a cave but to me, this was the first episode that felt wonky pacing wise. It felt like later seasons of GoT where so many major chess moves were being made in such a short amount of time. I think this could have benefitted if this episode was split into two but that's just me. Other than that, I thought the scene with Sofia becoming a Gigante was excellent.
 
Sofia of the House Gigante, the First of Her Name, The Hangman, Queen of the Straights, Gays and Everyone Else, Queen of Arkham, Comare of the Great Flooded City, Protector of Our Hearts, Lady Regent of the Five Boroughs, Breaker of Necks and Mother of Simps.

9ced23d66b54ac30fe6da1a7b7c7591554ccceef.gifv

Fixed.

Ahh, the return of Oswald's Terrible, Horrendus, No Good Bad Day.

Great episode. Did not expect most of the Maronis to be bumped off right after we just got rid off all the Falcones. But, such an upheavel, I think, leads to the... freakening of Gotham's gangs. And I like expanding on the tunnels we see of the Batcave. Breathing in more of a comic feel to Reeve's Batman. Oz has a goddamn lair now, I love it.
 
The pacing of this episode was a bit wonky, but I still thought it was great. I loved seeing Oz make so many strategic moves throughout the episode and it definitely feels like he's being backed into a corner.

We also finally got a taste of just how ruthless and unforgiving he can be when it came to the Maronis which was definitely surprising and now he pretty much has no reason to hold back anymore.

Sofia taking over the family was great too and whoever is in charge of Cristin Milioti's wardrobe in this show deserves a raise IMO because man have, they been killing it since the beginning.

Also, Oz's new lair looks dope asf.
 
I REALLY love how the show displayed the differences here.

Sofia, in her bloodlust and eagerness, is trying to lead by fear, intimidation. She's going full resources spending.

Oz pretty much charisma talk willed them dudes into joining him.

Very beautiful contrast in the scenes/sequences of both in how they initially build their side there.

It was a pretty excellent touch narratively in "Homecoming" that the first scenes - post cops in crime scene - we see Sofia basically torturing her very first "ally" while - in this beautiful contrast - Oz makes a callback to the very first lesson of the show in Episode 1, Rex Calabrese, and the respect necessity from the others.

It's equally delicate in the text that Vitti warned Sofia about that very same perspective, but she shot him blank, showing how much she ignores it.

Power to her emanates from within to outside. It's one's strength that provides to the others.

To Oz, true power emanates from outside to within. It's the others who enable the one.
 
Lotta great quieter moments in this episode for Oz, and great big moments for Sofia. Oz's big moments felt a little wonky and the pacing was off, but it works. I've felt that way about the pacing for a good amount of the season so far tbh, but it's never really hurt the show too much. Some major plot contrivances with Maroni getting out and the whole Taj bit just being thrown out there within the first 5min of the episode, that could've been done better, but I did like the use of him with Nadia. Sinister stuff.

The show is leaning a lot into it's comic booky-ness when it comes to the plotting imo, like Maroni getting out, or the extremeness of Viti and Nadia. I'm thinking "that's ridiculous", but then I imagine it as a panel or two, and it just works. It's very heightened and blunt, but they do allow those plot points to really mean something when it comes to the characters and how they operate and react.
 
Surprising to see a show that's so well written do something as dumb as that random prison escape and Maroni's wife overlooking her son obviously soaked in gasoline. Are we running low on time or something?
Eh, I didn't have an issue with the Nadia part. She's clearly out of her element and probably felt like they had the upper hand once they sprung their attack on Oz.

I do think the Maroni part was a bit too much of a "blink and you miss it" type of moment considering he broke out of jail, but I'm willing to overlook it if the show continues to make good use of its time.
 
Surprising to see a show that's so well written do something as dumb as that random prison escape and Maroni's wife overlooking her son obviously soaked in gasoline. Are we running low on time or something?

It would have been funny if they had her drop the loving mother act once she sees him walk towards her. Like, trying to save her own skin. I feel the show (although I am enjoying it) isn't nearly as darkly comedic as it could be, and ends up feeling too staid mob story. The Maroni escape was also insultingly dumb writing.
 
Sofia continues to dominate. Looking forward to seeing how Sal Maroni is involved and how long this alliance lasts.

Very glad to see Theo Rossi look like he's about to start taking a more regular role. Also Penguin getting a base and a tunnel network introduces a bit more of a comic book feel to it all.
 
Surprising to see a show that's so well written do something as dumb as that random prison escape and Maroni's wife overlooking her son obviously soaked in gasoline. Are we running low on time or something?
The show has gradually gotten substantially dumber since the first episode, apart from the Oz character study side of it it’s all pretty broad and cartoonish. Not a bad thing, necessarily. I’ve been pretty tuned out of and bored by the Netflix Marvel level mafia politics up until this episode and just HOW OTT it got is a big part of why it started working for me.
 
when oz and victor went to that underground tunnel and this goth classic started playing, i near expected battinson to show up wearing his eyeliner:

 
The show has gradually gotten substantially dumber since the first episode, apart from the Oz character study side of it it’s all pretty broad and cartoonish. Not a bad thing, necessarily. I’ve been pretty tuned out of and bored by the Netflix Marvel level mafia politics up until this episode and just HOW OTT it got is a big part of why it started working for me.

The Maroni escape was something glossed over, but I guess the reality is, would they have really spent time on that as it's not really essential to see how he gets out.

What I am surprised with is that they got Maroni out this way instead of using the information that Falcone set the whole thing up for Maroni to take the fall. I feel like they had something that would have been more believable in terms of getting sal out and the took the more cartoonish route with the prison escape.
 
The Maroni escape was something glossed over, but I guess the reality is, would they have really spent time on that as it's not really essential to see how he gets out.

What I am surprised with is that they got Maroni out this way instead of using the information that Falcone set the whole thing up for Maroni to take the fall. I feel like they had something that would have been more believable in terms of getting sal out and the took the more cartoonish route with the prison escape.
The trade off though is that Maroni fending off his assailant and escaping off screen is also sort of awesome. Not in a terribly sophisticated way, but in a silly Frank Miller way.
 
Unfortunately only one can rule the underworld of Gotham. Sophia has graduated into full on Gotham villain. She graduated from Arkham and received her masters from the Falcone estate. Sophia put her cousin’s daughter in foster care. If the system is as bad as Riddler claims she might as well have gassed her with the family.That is unforgivable.

Penguin plan has hit another snag. The guy is going for it all but as soon as he puts up the dam. Water seeps through holes. I don’t see anyway his mother and girlfriend makes it through the end of the show. I can’t see Vick making it either. Penguin and Sofia want all the power and will sacrifice anyone to get it. 3 episodes left. All out war is coming. I wish I skipped the midseason trailer. :woozy: :beaming:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rod
so are we gonna expect sal maroni to eventually survive by the show's end right?

he still needs to throw acid at harvey dent's face!
 
Well, well, well... Once again, I had a pretty good time watching the show.
But I have to say: this is the first episode I've found a little below its predecessors.
And in several areas actually: the writing, the pace and maybe even some of the visuals...

So far, the writing model seemed to take an event/idea and turn it into the backbone of the episode. And I understand that, at one point, you may need episodes like this week's, to serve as a transition: the pawns need to be repositioned for what's to come. But despite this, and even if I found the scenes well written and well acted, the articulations and the big picture just seemed less fluid to me here.
And I'm having a hard time turning a blind eye to thing like Maroni's evasion (the gasoline on his son and his wife not noticing anything was tacky too...). Even taking in account the pulpy vibe of the show that I love so much.

Speaking of which, like said, I love how the series continues to retain that balance between film noir and comic-book exoticism.
Cristina Milioti continues her superb evolution as Sofia, now Gigante, halfway between femme fatale and super-villain.
I also really liked the fact that Oz ends up in the underground: visually and conceptually, it's promising!

Otherwise, I've always really liked The Cure's song "A Forest", and it was pretty cool to hear it here...
And it's true that between that gothic anthem and the fact that Oz and Vic are crawling around in what's Batman's zone in this universe, like others, I almost expected to see him show up, even knowing full well that he's not on the program. Great mood there!

Anyway, that fifth episode wasn't bad at all but paradoxically, as the noose tightens on all the characters, my sense of tension has dropped for the first time since the series began.
Of course, it's far from enough to kill my entouthiasm, and I'm really looking forward to what happens next, but I hope the writers will tell the story of this coming war with the same effectiveness as the first four episodes.
 
Last edited:

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"