Superman Returns Fast Talk: Superman Returns

[Super Kal]

he brings up a good point though, if you really think about it... Singer wanted to give Superman a realistic feel to it, right?


then how can he get those shoes on with those boots?

 

[The Kid]

Because it's a ridiculous argument. How does he hide his cape under his clothes? How does Spider-man hide the raised webbing with the shirts he wears? How does Bruce Wayne remove the black eye make-up around his eyes quickly enough to get to a party right after he ditches his suit?

it's not ridiculous. The cape is folded of course. Spiderman's raised webs are easily hidden under his normal clothes. And Bruce doesn't wear black eye make-up, i believe. But even if he did, he'd just wash it off.

Don't get me wrong, Defender of singer's vision. I've defended it too. When buggs brought it up, I told him maybe supes just uses special boot covers or something, but now to see that they acknowledged how small his boots were originally and decided to make them bigger makes me realize they actually thought about it for a minute or more, and consciously decided to create this little issue. I can't defend that vision.

 

[skruloos]

it's not ridiculous. The cape is folded of course. Spiderman's raised webs are easily hidden under his normal clothes. And Bruce doesn't wear black eye make-up, i believe. But even if he did, he'd just wash it off.

Of course it's ridiculous. Raised webbing and the spider could be completely felt if ever anyone hugged Peter. And when does Superman fold the cape? How is he able to just take off his clothes and have it be there? Where is it folded? In his pants? What? People don't notice his large hernia donut? And yes, Bruce Wayne in the movies does wear black eye make up. You can tell in every Batman movie made since 1989.

 

[skruloos]

he brings up a good point though, if you really think about it... Singer wanted to give Superman a realistic feel to it, right?


then how can he get those shoes on with those boots?

As realistic as a completely human looking alien living amongst us who can fly and is invincible can be.

 

[The Kid]

Of course it's ridiculous. Raised webbing and the spider could be completely felt if ever anyone hugged Peter. And when does Superman fold the cape? How is he able to just take off his clothes and have it be there? Where is it folded? In his pants? What? People don't notice his large hernia donut? And yes, Bruce Wayne in the movies does wear black eye make up. You can tell in every Batman movie made since 1989.

It's not ridiculous. Peter takes that risk, and probably doesn't hug that often anyway. Superman wraps his cape around his waste or something. It's not that unbelievable...

 

[skruloos]

It's not ridiculous. Peter takes that risk, and probably doesn't hug that often anyway. Superman wraps his cape around his waste or something. It's not that unbelievable...

The problem with wrapping the cape around the waist is that that much fabric bunches up. You can't do anything about it. Bunching it up around the waist would make him look like he had some kind of glandular problem. And then of course you've got the bit of cape that is around his shoulders. If that bunched up wrong then he'd look like Quasimodo. Sorry but the whole costume under the suit thing is preposterous. Trying to single out the boots is ridiculous when the concept itself doesn't hold any water.

 

[The Kid]

right, Not really. The cape fitting under his clothes holds a lot more water than his boots fitting into his shoes. just Get a long cape-length towel or sheet and fold it well enough to wrap around your torso and voila, instant hidden cape. It'll look fine under a loose oxford shirt or suit. And don't be sorry, I'm just trying to tell the truth as I see it. See it your way if you want to, no big deal.

 

[buggs0268]

Not just that, the darker colors, the removal of the rear s and addition of the belt s, tight collar, adding mini-s's to everything, making him wear big boots. Buggsy will have something to say about this new info... I'm really wondering why they made his boots bigger knowing that he's supposed to wear his costume under his normal clothes.

Sacriledge I tell Ya! She didn't change a thing? Why I never...How dare she say that. Blah blah blah, and so on and so forth.

 

[buggs0268]

it's not ridiculous. The cape is folded of course. Spiderman's raised webs are easily hidden under his normal clothes. And Bruce doesn't wear black eye make-up, i believe. But even if he did, he'd just wash it off.

Don't get me wrong, Defender of singer's vision. I've defended it too. When buggs brought it up, I told him maybe supes just uses special boot covers or something, but now to see that they acknowledged how small his boots were originally and decided to make them bigger makes me realize they actually thought about it for a minute or more, and consciously decided to create this little issue. I can't defend that vision.

Yeah. Him getting those water ski boots into thin normal shoes is the new "building the Great Wall of China" power. At least I can understand why that was in Supes 4, and it was actually supposed to be animation of him rebuilding the wall really fast but they ran out of money to put the streaking animation of him into the shot. That was an un-intended F-up. This was an F-up on purpose. And I know, the suit likers will say the same nonsense "your talkinb about a movie about a guy who flies" There is a certain amount of logic that you can not get away with, flying guy or not. This is just more Singer/Mingen-whatever bulls**t. I honestly wonder if they actually believe this crap themselves.

 

[Venom71]

Why peope can't just watch a movie and not tear it apart scene by scene is beyond me....and if you don't like the movie say so once and move on....the movie has been out for a month now and you still just keep complaining..what is the point now..you are not going to change anything.

 

[Super Kal]

hey, I changed one person's mind on something...

 

[Venom71]

hey, I changed one person's mind on something...

I meant change anything about the movie..not other people's opinion.

 

[buggs0268]

Why peope can't just watch a movie and not tear it apart scene by scene is beyond me....and if you don't like the movie say so once and move on....the movie has been out for a month now and you still just keep complaining..what is the point now..you are not going to change anything.

You know what. You have a real problem having to follow people around and tell them what they should do when I could tell you "why do you have to followme around in every post I make telling me what to do?" Why don't you get a life. It is the same as last year. You had to go all over the web and any time I would post on sites about the suit, there you would be wiht your "it's great stuff" even in threads that it said "For complaining" Why don't you get a damn life. If you see me making a post, ignore it. Do you have to reply to pretty much every post I make. And stop telling people to move on. I don't have to move on if I don't f'n want to. Take your own advice and move on from posting replies to any post I make instead of having to follow me around like some stupid lap dog defending the film on anything negative I say about it. how about that? I have every right to post negative comments about the movie, suit, etc, as you do positive posts about it. But the difference is I am not following you around like some stupid lap dog having to make some dumb response to everything you post. And it is sad that after over a year you continue to do so. So get a damn life, move on, and stop telling people what to post. I don't tell you what to post so stop constantly telling me. It is getting really irritating.

 

[Venom71]

You know what. YOu have a real problem having to follow people around and tell them what they should do when I could tell you "why do you have to followme around in every post I make telling me what to do?" Why don't you get a life. If you see me making a post, ignore it. Do you have to reply to pretty much every post I make. And stop telling people to move on. Take your own advice and move on from posting replies to any post I make. how about that?

No not really...I am trying to help you...having all these negative feelings all the time must make you a very unhappy person....I sure wouldn't want to live like that....maybe if you forgot about SR and moved on..you would be a happier camper....just looking after your good health buggsy.

 

[Super Kal]

I meant change anything about the movie..not other people's opinion.

I wasn't talking movie wise...

 

[buggs0268]

No not really...I am trying to help you...having all these negative feelings all the time must make you a very unhappy person....I sure wouldn't want to live like that....maybe if you forgot about SR and moved on..you would be a happier camper....just looking after your good health buggsy.

I don't need your help, nor did I ask for your help. You are not a psychiatrist, and you will never be one. I am a very happy person. I just don't like the movie and I have no problem posting about what I don't like about it. You on the other hand can't stand anyone posting anthing derogatory about something that you love so much. I am sorry this movie is the end all be all of your existence. You want to help me. Put me on your ignore list and never post to anything I post here again. That would make me so happy. Stop constantly following me around. That would make me very happy. I am a happy camper and I don't need to forget about SR. I can have a well fullfilled life and compain about the movie or the suit. What you posted above just shows how much of a sad person you are. Get a damn life and stop being a damn lap dog to everything I post.

 

[Venom71]

I don't need your help, nor did I ask for your help. You are not a psychiatrist. I am a very happy person. I just don't like the movie and I have no problem posting about what I don't like about it. You on the other hand can't stand anyone posting anthing derogatory about something that you love so much. I am sorry this movie is the end all be all of your existence. You want to help me. Put me on your ignore list and never post to anything I post here again. Stop constantly following me around. That would make me happy. I am a happy camper and I don't need to forget about SR. What you posted above just shows how much of a sad person you are. Get a damn life.

Ohhh come on Buggs don't be like that...you know you have fun debating with me.

 

[buggs0268]

Ohhh come on Buggs don't be like that...you know you have fun debating with me.

No I don't. You remind me of a stalker. And I have had experience with a few of them. I still have restaining orders out on 3 chicks. Seriously. What you are doing creeps me out. I am not joking. No goofing around. Put me on your ignore list so you don't see anything I post. It will be better for your life too. I am being dead serious. Get a life.

 

[Super Kal]

Ohhh come on Buggs don't be like that...you know you have fun debating with me.

just leave him alone, Venom...

that's all he wants.

 

[Steelsheen]

Good new article on SR.

From fastcompany.com:


Source: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/107/open_fast-talk.html

the only person worth comending there would be the Art Director. if Lee knew so much of the history they why didnt he exert is god-powers and tell Singer that he's going the wrong way? he's the producer isnt he?

Louise Mingenbach

Costume designer
Los Angeles, California

Mingenbach, 42, has been a regular on Singer films since 1995. While previous Superman pictures had about a year for preproduction, with Superman Returns, Mingenbach got two and a half months.

"Sometimes that need to put your stamp on something is a recipe for disaster. In earlier scripts, people had gone too far to be different. It's an ego thing. Warner Bros. has a big prep house where they do all the early work for big movies that began with Batman 20 years ago. There are a lot of skeletons and bones lying around that graveyard. In the Tim Burton version of Superman [never made], the theory was that, instead of blue tights, he'd paint his skin blue. The character was in a suit,and blood was pumped through these exterior veins. Don't even ask. It was crazy.

Our goal was to consolidate all the Supermen. So when I first got the job, we did big boards of Superman in the 1930s, 1940s, 1950s, and so on. The character had worn high briefs that looked like diapers. He'd been drawn with a big barrel chest, the ideal male body type at the time. By the 1970s the S got huge; it almost wraps around Christopher Reeve's armpits. You look at Reeve and you think, 'Wow, look at that towel down his back and those Peter Pan boots! That would never fly. Literally.'

In our case, we decided to raise the S on the uniform and remove the S shield from the cape. We went through 80 different Superman suits.

and still wound up with a god ugly costume they keep harping on the Burton designs-- pfft. its as effective as Singer blaming marketing for SR's not so stellar BO performance.

 

[buggs0268]

I do not completely believe you are sincere because my feet are not being washed nor my buttox feeling the warm touch of your lips, but I will accept the apology anyway. And yes, that's Jason's best scene ever.

heh heh heh. I have to remember this and use it in the future.

 

[tgjensen]

And I know, the suit likers will say the same nonsense "your talkinb about a movie about a guy who flies" There is a certain amount of logic that you can not get away with, flying guy or not. This is just more Singer/Mingen-whatever bulls**t. I honestly wonder if they actually believe this crap themselves.

What you failed to do is compare a pic of Clark Kent's feet with Superman's. Superman is a size 9, while Clark is 12. But nobody ever notices.

 

[buggs0268]

What you failed to do is compare a pic of Clark Kent's feet with Superman's. Superman is a size 9, while Clark is 12. But nobody ever notices.

yeah with those boots being in shoes, it would have to be a size 30. Like I said, people would be going "hey Clark. So you were not away for 5 years finding yourself. You where going to clown college."