5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How?
And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam?
First, Transformers have kids?
And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead?
Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it?
Well that monument in Jordan that the matrix was entombed? Yeah... that's Petra.And how is this relevant to how long it takes for them to get anywhere? What does Petra have to do with anything? I don't even remember Petra being mentioned in the movie.
I think you're wasting your time with this thread. It's pretty obvious some people just want to pick ROTF apart at every level, and simply don't want to think about the things in the movie that do make sense in context, because they're disappointed overall.
It's interesting, really. Because it's fine when characters in BATMAN BEGINS happen to run into each other or be related somehow, or loose plot threads manage to pull together, and it's fine in THE DARK KNIGHT when Harvey Dent happens to fall halfway into a puddle of gasoline that then happens to ignite to the point where he happens to be burnt halfway, or that a mob would keep all their money in one bank, or someone can fall out a window and survive a 40 MPH plunge onto a car unscathed, or a boat full of criminals doesn't blow up a boat full of innocents, or The Joker manages to put all those barrels and explosives on two National Guard supervised evacuation boats, but in a movie about giant transforming robots, apparently we need to question things like why the evil ones didn't just kill the humans outright, because that would be more realistic, or why the Allspark can both kill and heal...
I think there's some fair criticism of the movie, to be sure, and this movie has a number of flaws, over the top elements and what have you, but by and large over the last few days, it sort of comes down to, people have a perception of the film as a whole and either because they don't want to, or aren't capable of rational thinking, they want to impose that perception on every single element of it. And to hell and be damned with assessing each element fairly.
Anyone get tired of hearing people nit-pick over Bay's Transformer films, but yet no one in their right mind would dare to nit-pick over Spider-Man 2 or any of Nolan's Batman films, huh? And of silly things too, which can easily be answers.
Or, deep in their hearts, they really enjoyed the two movies, but just can't seem to say so, because the "cool thing" to do is bash Michael Bay.
And...are people dumb enough to not know that there is actually a REAL rail gun?
there is a subtitle that says the NEST team is 6 hours away recently after Simmons makes the phone call from Egypt. So that whole quest through the desert bit took place in a 6 hour time frame.
I can forgive them for the geography messing with the Museum scene.
But I think it's kind of pathetic for them to put the 'Great Pyramids' in Jordan (they cross the egyptian border, leaving Egypt before they get to the pyramids) coupled with the fact that they don't know where they are, are they in Jordan, or are they in Egypt(they're in Egypt, being rescued by Jordanian helos)? And at the same time, say that Petra is only 100miles away (maybe as the bird flies, without having to drive all the way around the southern tip of Isreal). It's kind of like saying NYC is actually in Mexico (and then forgeting whether you are in NYC or Mexico). It's just stupid.
Geography should be something that is not messed with in films IMO, you end up with little kids thinking one thing, not knowing that the filmmakers are a little uneducated.
No, we nitpicked Nolan's films too! But Nolan had produced a much better script than Bay's and it didnt leave many things to complain about. You think people didnt complain about Batman pushing TwoFace to his death? Or how stupid it looked when Batman and Rachel survived that fall when it was obvious that they were falling too fast? We were nerdraging over these things for months!Anyone get tired of hearing people nit-pick over Bay's Transformer films, but yet no one in their right mind would dare to nit-pick over Spider-Man 2 or any of Nolan's Batman films, huh? And of silly things too, which can easily be answers.
Or, deep in their hearts, they really enjoyed the two movies, but just can't seem to say so, because the "cool thing" to do is bash Michael Bay.
And...are people dumb enough to not know that there is actually a REAL rail gun?
Yes. Remember Sam's dad. He said Judy not to tell anything so the government would give rebuild their house.1. In "Transformers," there was this giant battle in the middle of downtown Los Angeles -- excuse me, Mission City -- that was witnessed by thousands of people at the very least. But somehow the government was able to cover up the whole thing, and now the existence of alien robots is just an internet rumor? How did they do it? Pay off everyone who was there and quickly fix millions of dollars in damage?
That wasn't in the movie.Also, didn't Keller (Jon Voight) go on TV and tell everyone we were being attacked by "a technological civilization far superior to our own"? How did they spin that?
I believe so, yes.3. Speaking of Megatron's rebirth, when the Decepticons venture deep into the ocean to revive him, the Navy crew tracking them reads five contacts. When they get down there, they tear apart one of the robots for parts to rebuild Megatron. Then as they rise to the surface, the same Navy guys say they spot six contacts. The little "Doctor" robot popped out down there, but he's about a third of the size of a person. Would he have shown up on sonar?
Those are doctor googles.Shia LaBeouf 4. That reminds me: even if I were to forgive the Doctor's German accent -- and director Michael Bay is asking me to forgive a lot of ridiculous accents -- why would a robot need glasses? He has little lenses that flip in front of his mechanical eyes. Couldn't he just get his eyes adjusted? You'd think with all the laser guns, someone could perform a Lasik procedure.
Alice scanned an "Alice in Wonderland" animatronic doll. And she's not that heavy (I'd say she's a little chubbier than Ravage's drone). Bumblebee doesn't know something's wrong with her. He just doesn't want Sam to cheat on Mikaela. And he's not completelly fixed. "He's still having voice problems".5. Apparently, Transformers can look like people now. How? And how is it that even though the robo-girl (Isabel Lucas) is made of metal, she can still straddle Sam without crushing him. And if Bumblebee knows something's wrong with her, why does he spit antifreeze at her instead of telling Sam? Yes, his voicebox is broken, but wasn't it fixed at the end of the last movie?
Jetfire's comments about his family? Hatchlings on Mars?Megan Fox 6. The Fallen is the last of the Primes, since they all sacrificed themselves to stop him from destroying the sun. But then he says that Optimus is a descendant of the Primes. First, Transformers have kids? And second, how could he descend from them if they were all dead?
The Fallen was at full power and had the Seekers by his side. Prime is a PrimeAnd if the Fallen could only be destroyed by a Prime, why didn't the originals just gang up on him back in the day? And what makes Optimus so special, anyway? Megatron beat him earlier, but all it takes is a few spare parts from creaky old Jetfire for him to take out the Fallen?
The SmithSonian Museum had an airplane graveyard. It's a movie.7. Sam, Mikaela, and Simmons (John Turturro) go to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C. to find Jetfire. Then they walk out the back onto a wide open field with old planes and mountains in the distance. When did the National Mall start to look so much like to Tucson, AZ (where they really filmed that scene)?
It's a movie!Megan Fox 8. The geography is just as bad when they go to Egypt. The stone city of Petra in Jordan is over 250 miles away, over mountainous terrain, with few paved roads and the Israeli border between them, so how can they drive from one to the other in a couple of hours. And the Pyramids are said to be shooting distance from the Mediterranean, but they are actually well over 80 miles inland.
The habillities of the Rail Gun weren't explicited. Besides, Simmons knew it existed and the government knew about Sector Seven. And the walkie-talkie was outside Starscream's EMP hit area, I believe.Even if the Navy ship had a secret rail gun, and even if the captain would take an order to fire from a former agent of a government branch that no longer exists (over a walkie-talkie that inexplicably starts working again), how could it hit a moving target from that distance?
We see the Dust get in contact with him. That's why.9. Sam briefly dies and goes to Robot Heaven. Robot Heaven?!?!
A napkin? A shock? A piece of clothing?Megan Fox 10. Where does Sam's bandage come from?
How can we know it wasn't one of his socks?What about his extra sock?
He led them to Simmons.Why does Sam's roommate not contribute anything at all?
Waited?What was the Fallen doing for those thousands of years Megatron was frozen in ice?
Because he's badass.How does one satellite receive transmissions from everywhere on the planet?
Because she's hot.Why does Wheelie hump Mikaela's leg?
Those were the Protoforms who landed on Egypt. Either they scanned the Construction's alt-modes or Soundwave provided them those.Why are robots who join together to become Devastator also seen fighting the Army at the same time?
What about the SABOTs? They worked.Why does the government want only our military fighting Decepticons when our weapons seem unable to make so much as a dent on any of them?
It's Cybertronian technology. Maybe they couldn't.Why did the ancient Egyptians build a pyramid around the sun-destroying machines instead of just breaking it?
Was it?Why is the Matrix of Leadership bigger in the Fallen's hand than in Sam's?
They get dirty.And how do Mikaela's pants stay so clean?
I'm iffy on exactly what you're concerned about. So NEST is six hours away wherever they're located before wheels up? And the issue is that they travel too far too fast, what? Where are Sam and the others before they begin their Trek?
it took Sam and crew 6 hours, to get from the great pyramids (which are now in jordan by the way) to Petra, and back, which I'd say is impossible, unless one goes straight through southern isreal
I think that's just a checkpoint, not neccessarily the actual border, though I guess it could be. Do they ever say it's the border?
generally when a character worries about having a passport, it's a border
And how is this relevant to how long it takes for them to get anywhere? What does Petra have to do with anything? I don't even remember Petra being mentioned in the movie.
where do you think the prime tomb was?: Petra, they say it loud a clear in the movie
I don't know any little kids who go into movies to learn where things are in relation to each other. But that might be just me.
some will pick it up, some won't, but it is wrong to be selling false info. Yes, it's a fictional story, but it is set in the our contemporary world. If anything, the 'real facts' in the movie, should be at least somewhat accurate
You liked the movie 100%? Good for you. But others have the right to dislike it and you cant dismiss their opinions just like that.
Well the total disrespect for geography didnt bother me as much as i thought it would.
But it is kind or stupid that the Pyramids are right on the one side of the border and the Petra monument on the other.
Do you guys know where Giza is? Somewhere in the middle of Egypt next to the Nile. Nowhere near the border. And Petra is somewhere in the jordanian desert. But even if you didnt know this, it would be stupid to buy that the two monuments are a couple of miles afar with the border in the middle.
But i suppose that by placing them near each other allowed the plot to work while using those two beautiful sites. So i suppose i can let it pass.
IMDB.com said:The Constructicons in "Transformers" (1984) were a faction of robots who transformed into construction vehicles, and who could combine into the giant robot Devastator. However, in this film there are two fleets of Constructions: one fleet of disguised individual robots, and the other fleet combines to become Devastator. This is because the ILM VFXperts, who used a extraterrestrial/multi-segmented design for the robots, were unable to design robots who could become robots AND combine. The Hasbro Company suffered a parallel occurrence with Construction toys, and had to release them in two sets, as described above.
The Constructicons in "Transformers" (1984) were a faction of robots who transformed into construction vehicles, and who could combine into the giant robot Devastator. However, in this film there are two fleets of Constructions: one fleet of disguised individual robots, and the other fleet combines to become Devastator. This is because the ILM VFXperts, who used a extraterrestrial/multi-segmented design for the robots, were unable to design robots who could become robots AND combine. The Hasbro Company suffered a parallel occurrence with Construction toys, and had to release them in two sets, as described above.
One thing that bugs me is the Wheelie box. Mikaela takes it with her to Sam's college, throws it at Alice... they pick it up and throw it to the back seat of the car Mikaela hotwires. But after that car is cut in half we don't see the box again until Mikaela gets it out of Bee's trunk. When did the box get there? We see Mikaela and Leo run out of the factory and get inside BB while Sam runs with Optimus, but they're not carrying any box with them.
Maybe it doesnt work in the toys, and you need to get them separately, but it could work in the movie. They didnt need to make two sets of constructicons to do that. And in any case, it seemed like Devastator wasnt formed by robots, but by vehicles. Like the vehicles werent constructicons but they only formed Dev (like they said the bikes would do for Arcee).There's your answer, Fishbulb.
Mikaela could've also have asked Bumblebee to come back and get the box.