First Bond passes away!

Wow, didn't know he was the first one. R.I.P. :csad:
 
He doesn't really count though. He played an American version where he was called, Jimmy Bond, which imo is a galactic difference from the suave English gentlemen that James Bond is.
 
i have to say that i thought Nelson's Bond was pretty good, even if he was Americanized, and the overall presentation of CR was excellent, IMO, given the time and age in which it was produced and the fact that it was a live performance... kudos should also go to Peter Lorre, who played an excellent Le Chiffre...

i was personally very sad to hear that Mr. Nelson had passed...

RIP
 
I don't think Nelson can be counted as one James Bond, let alone the first James Bond. His character was different beyond recognition.
 
I don't think Nelson can be counted as one James Bond, let alone the first James Bond. His character was different beyond recognition.
hmm... let's see...

* he drank
* he smoked
* he played baccarat
* he wore fancy suits
* he was smooth with the ladies
* he used one-liners when in sticky situations
* he got captured by the baddie but still came out on top

yeah, i see what you mean... that character doesn't sound anything like James Bond, does it?! :whatever:
 
hmm... let's see...

* he drank
* he smoked
* he played baccarat
* he wore fancy suits
* he was smooth with the ladies
* he used one-liners when in sticky situations
* he got captured by the baddie but still came out on top

yeah, i see what you mean... that character doesn't sound anything like James Bond, does it?! :whatever:

American. Shortnamed "Jimmy". Not much of a killer, lets put it this way. And it's not like one liners and being captured by the baddie but overcoming it is exactly particular to James Bond. As for his relationship with the ladies, it's not like it was the same one as in the novels or the movies. It's not because he has some very superficial similarities (especially since he had more significant differences) with the novel Bond or the subsequent series that he was Bond. Sorry, but no, he was not James Bond. He was not the first Bond. Sean Connery was.
 
i take his Americanization with a grain of salt because of the circumstances of the production... that is, James Bond was not yet very well known to Americans at the time and the production was done for US live television in the 1950s...

Leiter was the only person who called him Jimmy, but Bond referred to himself still as James, and in any event, most people referred to him simply as "Bond" and "Mr. Bond", so again, i see little fault here...

as for the idea of being captured and still coming out on top, i included that because it's something you see in every James Bond film... you've seen it over and over again: Bond does something particularly good, but then the baddie captures him and always puts him in a tight spot, but somehow, he always gets free and saves the day... no difference with CR'54...

same goes for the one-liners... Bond kills somebody - one-liner; Bond nearly gets killed - one-liner... that's just the way Bond is... and that's just the way Nelson plays him...

and as for being "not much of a killer", i don't that statement can be justified at all... i mean, Nelson portrays Bond as being a pretty tough character (both somewhat weathered and able to withstand torture), and he kills two characters in the closing minutes of the program...

Nelson doesn't have to look/sound like Sean Connery or Roger Moore or anyone else to pull off a decent Bond... certainly 8+ years of raised production standards and the ability to take and re-take scenes, coupled with the rising poularity of the Bond novels over the years, and innovations in special effects paved the way for Dr. No and some of its decendants to knock the socks off CR'54, but that doesn't negate the fact that given the times and the circumstances, Barry Nelson did a very good job playing what would go on to become cinema's greatest superspy, James Bond!
 
i take his Americanization with a grain of salt because of the circumstances of the production... that is, James Bond was not yet very well known to Americans at the time and the production was done for US live television in the 1950s...

Leiter was the only person who called him Jimmy, but Bond referred to himself still as James, and in any event, most people referred to him simply as "Bond" and "Mr. Bond", so again, i see little fault here...

as for the idea of being captured and still coming out on top, i included that because it's something you see in every James Bond film... you've seen it over and over again: Bond does something particularly good, but then the baddie captures him and always puts him in a tight spot, but somehow, he always gets free and saves the day... no difference with CR'54...

same goes for the one-liners... Bond kills somebody - one-liner; Bond nearly gets killed - one-liner... that's just the way Bond is... and that's just the way Nelson plays him...

and as for being "not much of a killer", i don't that statement can be justified at all... i mean, Nelson portrays Bond as being a pretty tough character (both somewhat weathered and able to withstand torture), and he kills two characters in the closing minutes of the program...

Nelson doesn't have to look/sound like Sean Connery or Roger Moore or anyone else to pull off a decent Bond... certainly 8+ years of raised production standards and the ability to take and re-take scenes, coupled with the rising poularity of the Bond novels over the years, and innovations in special effects paved the way for Dr. No and some of its decendants to knock the socks off CR'54, but that doesn't negate the fact that given the times and the circumstances, Barry Nelson did a very good job playing what would go on to become cinema's greatest superspy, James Bond!

Sorry, but that Bond is still American, and it is a major difference. Yes, it was an American production, but technocally so are the Bond movies. This is not an excuse, being British is essential to the character. Correct me if I am wrong, but Valerie Mathis (or whatever that vesper-like character his named) also calls him Jimmy. He is not a 00 agent as described by Flemign or developed by the movies, neither is he James Bond: British, elitist and conservative (but not puritan) killer for precise ideological reasons (Queen&Country), epicurian but cruel, etc. At best you could say that he is an American, toned down Bond. Not really Fleming's James Bond.
 
You know, if being British is essential to being Bond, then Connery and Brosnan technically arent Flemmings Bond either, as they're Scottish, and Irish respectivly...and to argue that this guy wasnt James Bond is also ******ed, as it was an adaptation of a James Bond book, his character was named James Bond, and other than not fitting into your narrow view of the character, he acted pretty much like Bond...the only major difference is the Americanization, but he was still Bond.
 
You know, if being British is essential to being Bond, then Connery and Brosnan technically arent Flemmings Bond either, as they're Scottish, and Irish respectivly...and to argue that this guy wasnt James Bond is also ******ed, as it was an adaptation of a James Bond book, his character was named James Bond, and other than not fitting into your narrow view of the character, he acted pretty much like Bond...the only major difference is the Americanization, but he was still Bond.

Scotland is still part of Great Britain, as far as I know and it was the case when Fleming was writing the novels. If you don't believe me, ask a Scottish man to show you his passport. Brosnan spend a lot of his adult (and professionnal) life in England. But regardless their nationality, James Bond the character is British and it was an essential trait of him. He does not come from the same cultural background as an American spy, does not always defend the same ideology. It's not being ****** or having a narrow view to acknowledge where a character is from and what his nationality represents.
 
I agree with you, Bond should be British. And Batman should be dark and not have nipples on his suit, but George Clooney was still playing Batman, see what I'm saying?
 
Who the hell cares what nationality he is or how different his performance may have been from the others. He starred in the first live action adaption of Bond, that makes him the first Bond, Period.

Show some damn respect.
 

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