Apocalypse Fixing the X-Men timeline... always.

[Mutant 77]

Hello X-Fans,


The "Deadpool" movies, "Logan" (movie), "Legion" (series) and "The Gifted" (series) are four parallel universes; each one featuring an alternate version of the X-Men.

The main X-Men universe (X-Men + Wolverine) has been altered via time travel.


X-CONTINUITY
http://x-continuity.blogspot.com


There are extensive sections explaining more about incongruences and contradictions in the saga.






ENJOY! Thanks.

 

[GuestStar2004]

A little confused why you assume Moira returnin has anything to do with x3 Moira at all

 

[marvelrobbins]

Moira was just a case of them ignoring the last stand version similar case with
Emma Frost and Boliver trask.

It's very unlikely Apocalypse will Involve Time travel.Ian Mckellen as magneto
would likely be a case of them having fastfoward to future towards the end.

Could Ben hardy be cannonball? Sure Sam,his real name,is common one.

If colossus is in Deadpool it's just a cast of Deadpool being set in Present.

 

[dax]

A little confused why you assume Moira returnin has anything to do with x3 Moira at all

She was called by her full name in X3. Now, there's major confusion surrounding 2 female characters with the same name.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Moira in FC and X3 are the same
Like Victor Creed and Sbretooth in X1 are the same.

there is no evidence to the contrary

Maybe Ben Hardy is Cannonball, not Angel. Angel is just a baby in 1983.

Have a nice day!

I would see Cannonball being in the same generation than Rogue iceman

 

[kasjan]

Sabretooth in X1 is Creed after second mutation.
Xavier at begin of DOFP talked about it, he didn't call it 'second mutation', but we know he refered to it, when talked about enough fast evolution. Kitty's second mutation was the way to solve the problem with Sentinels.

 

[Dasher10]

I'd rather Fox just treat the new timeline as a complete reboot and then use a sliding time scale for the present day.

You know... like the actual comics do to the point where continuity issues are just handwaved and nobody hopes you notice?

 

[Super Jim]

Look, this one is simple.

Moira was a very hot 60-something year old in Last Stand.

People just need to overlook that she looked like someone in her thirties! Maybe as a science-type person, which she obviously was (though there was no indication of this in First Class), she found a way to keep herself looking youthful. It doesn't matter really. Just need to accept that more than likely they were the same person.

 

[Mulholland-Jr]

Seriously guys?

You may or may not respect the fact that they reintroduced characters/ ignore continuity, but all this grasping at straws is just sad. It's time to move on.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Seriously guys?

You may or may not respect the fact that they reintroduced characters/ ignore continuity, but all this grasping at straws is just sad. It's time to move on.

I agree.Look with first Class they ignored contunity of things In Last Stand and origins.I firmly think Bryan Singer treated First Class as prequel with some liberties to his films.But,after James Mangold wanted the wolverine to be set post trilogy and not pre trilogy as earlier drafts were that with DOFP they had to make a attempt to connect all the films.Even so Singer picked and chooce what to honor.He used snippets from origins to arguement his weapon X scenes from X-Men and X2 but he clearly wanted Josh Helman to be seen as Young Brian Cox.Wolverine being in new york and not vietnam was clearly ignoring parts of Origins while trying to respect other parts of origins.Singer admited they were aware trask In Last stand was intended to be boliver trask at the time last Stand was made.Although they had wiggle room since name boliver trask never appeared onscreen In Last Stand.

I took view DOFP really didn't resolve contunity problems as much as doing away with non-FC films so they wouldn't conterdict the present films anymore.

I feel like only FC and much of DOFP are cannon now.If you want to include the pre 1973 parts of both origins and the wolverine you can.They could do
things with Apocalypse and future films to honor the good past X films no longer part of official timeline of films.Kinberg has already talked about how some characters could be born earlier now.It's best not to get upset if characters not included In future ending of DOFP show up In films that
conterdict their ages in films no longer part of series timeline.

Angel could showup In Apocalypse.If he does just use the FC and DOFPonly films matter explanation.Less headace that way.

The X_Men films are now a bit like Star Trek Films.

Trying to come up with detailed explanations is just waste of time.They have given fans an out that they can still view whatever films from rilogy and wolverine films in between FC and DOFP.No matter what there will be contunity errors.Best to stop obsessing on them.

My advice is till next batch of x films come out watch FC and DOFP together or FC,DOFP+whatever batch from trilogy,Origins,The Wolverine you like.

 

[dax]

I agree.Look with first Class they ignored contunity of things In Last Stand and origins.I firmly think Bryan Singer treated First Class as prequel with some liberties to his films.But,after James Mangold wanted the wolverine to be set post trilogy and not pre trilogy as earlier drafts were that with DOFP they had to make a attempt to connect all the films.Even so Singer picked and chooce what to honor.He used snippets from origins to arguement his weapon X scenes from X-Men and X2 but he clearly wanted Josh Helman to be seen as Young Brian Cox.Wolverine being in new york and not vietnam was clearly ignoring parts of Origins while trying to respect other parts of origins.Singer admited they were aware trask In Last stand was intended to be boliver trask at the time last Stand was made.Although they had wiggle room since name boliver trask never appeared onscreen In Last Stand.

First, he was addressed as "Secretary Trask" in X3 so just because his full name wasn't mentioned, it doesn't mean that he's not Bolivar Trask. Second, First Class not only ignored X3 and Origins, it also ignored X1 and X2 as well because it contradicted Xavier's entire backstory (him meeting Magneto at age 17, Magneto helping him build cerebro, Mystique and Xavier not knowing each other, etc.), Beast's X2 cameo, and Stryker's knowledge of cerebro which is a major mistake. Bryan knew that he screwed up the entire X-men continuity in the process of making First Class which is why he made Days of Future Past to fix those mistakes.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Bryan has acknowledged that trask was used in X3 but says sometimes you have to let things like this go, so presumably he could have made more effort to at least try not to contradict X3 if he really wanted too

“Some things you let go,” Singer admits. “In X-Men 3 Bolivar Trask was an African-American guy, in X-Men 1 I personally wrote the line that of course I now regret: ‘When I was 17, I met a young man named Erik Lensherr’ and then in X-Men: First Class I changed that!” he laughs

When you say bryan was trying to fix it what he really did was give himself a way to contradict himself and past films with an excuse lol

 

[Lord]

Anyone read the X-Men 2 Prequel comics? While the ones for the first film were contradicted on the spot, the ones for the 2nd film still stand well, they actualy connect X-Men Origins with X-Men 1 well by showing that Creed and Logan were close at one point and explaining Sabretooth's fate after the movie.

It was also accidental, but the X-Men Origins: Wolverine video game pretty much falls well in continuity too, as the entire story is told through flashbacks, which you can explain by saying Logan's memory is still a bit mixed when it comes to him starting to remember things from the past, while the plot set in the not so distant future could feasably lead into the one in Days of Future Past.

As for the Trask problem, that one has an easy answer, what was canonicaly shown was only the name "Trask", you could easily explain in-universe that the scientist simply shared the last name. There are other worse continuity errors in the X-Men film series.

 

[marvelrobbins]

DOFP really didn't fit the problems they erased all other films that would conterdict FC.

Prequels have way of retconning what was said in dialogue about past and suddenly characters who didn't seem to have connections before have it.

People can before new batch of films arrive eather view FC and Dofp as the films or
FC,whatever films from trilogy and wolverine solo films they liked,and DOFP.

There will always be things from FC that won't fit the other films if you try to watch all of them leading into DOFP.

While I consider X2 to be best X-Men film my advice if you want to keep watching future X-Men films only see FC and DOFP.Just like if you want to watch new Star Trek films keeping your trek watching to enterprise-save for series finale,trek 2009,and Into
Darkness.For new terminator film best If you want to see it and poential sequels is not to watch anything of past terminator films.

 

[Mr.M]

What's to say DoFP was the first time travel to ever take place in history? Maybe Apocalypse did some time traveling. Maybe the OT is completely separate from 1962 FC. Maybe the FC timeline is one where Apocalypse woke up thousands of years ago and reshaped human history. Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify this ****ed up continuity, but that is one explanation that works for me.

Most logcially, Singer and Vaughn just decided to retcon and ignore many, many things. You have to look at the OT as its own little self contained story, with Origins being the bastard child of the OT. Then you have FC which is basically a reboot, loosely based on the events of the OT. Just because the OT cast returned doesn't mean it is always 100% the same continuity or story. It's still a different story/vision apart from the OT.

 

[Mutant 77]

Look, this one is simple.

Moira was a very hot 60-something year old in Last Stand.

People just need to overlook that she looked like someone in her thirties! Maybe as a science-type person, which she obviously was (though there was no indication of this in First Class), she found a way to keep herself looking youthful. It doesn't matter really. Just need to accept that more than likely they were the same person.

It's just a matter of mother-and-daughter.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

what if Xavier preserved her mind and transferred it to a new body as she was dieing.... too

 

[Mad Ones]

Can we stop jumping through hoops and making up head canons to justify an inconsequential cameo from a movie that came out nine years ago?

 

[ciscostudent561]

Can we stop jumping through hoops and making up head canons to justify an inconsequential cameo from a movie that came out nine years ago?

Stop making sense man

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Sabretooth in X1 is Creed after second mutation.
Xavier at begin of DOFP talked about it, he didn't call it 'second mutation', but we know he refered to it, when talked about enough fast evolution.

They never explain us why Creed lost his memories. Some things will never be explained, as about the adamantium of Wolverine after his battle with Silver Samourai in OT

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Just enjoy your old VHS X1- X3 movies but they have zero impact on new generation X-Men movies.

 

[X-Maniac]

No matter how much discussion and fan theorising (and I've done a lot of that myself) parts of these movies are irreconcilable. They just don't fit neatly together at a detailed level.

Most annoying, though, is that some characters have been removed from the series when they had more potential. Notably, Emma Frost and Banshee.

When the Inhumans movie does Black Bolt and his sonic power, people here will suddenly wake up and see the potential of Banshee. The guy used his scream to cancel out Moses Magnum's earthquake generator beam, for instance. Magneto warped Banshee's scream back on him by vibrating metal walls, in another cool battle moment.

Emma Frost and Banshee would have made great horsemen for Apoc. Banshee could have been War, as his scream would be like a war cry, and Emma would have made a great Pestilence or Famine, if Apoc enhanced her power to turn people to a diamond crystalline form that shattered to fragments.

My worry is that the speculated horsemen (Psylocke, Archangel, Havok and whoever) will be dispensable cannon fodder. It has the feel of Bishop/Blink/Warpath/Sunspot - one-shot mutant guests who won't appear again. Archangel probably won't join the X-Men - you'd need to keep creating open-air flying possibilities in the story, and Havok will probably bite the dust to give some motivation to Cyclops striving to do the best to lead the X-Men.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Most annoying, though, is that some characters have been removed from the series when they had more potential. Notably, Emma Frost and Banshee.

It has the feel of Bishop/Blink/Warpath/Sunspot - one-shot mutant guests who won't appear again. Archangel probably won't join the X-Men -

I feel sad for Emma but I'll take Jean/Betsy physic team >

I love Banshee but they can fix it by using Siryn always need more female's.

Replace Warpath with comic accurate Thunderbird and people would be cool

Sunspot probably loses his spot because Human Torch will probably be in the 2018 crossover

Sunfire is a cooler option for overseas market too.

We'll see Blink/Bishop again one day hopefully

 

[X-Maniac]

I feel sad for Emma but I'll take Jean/Betsy physic team >

I love Banshee but they can fix it by using Siryn always need more female's.

Replace Warpath with comic accurate Thunderbird and people would be cool

Sunspot probably loses his spot because Human Torch will probably be in the 2018 crossover

Sunfire is a cooler option for overseas market too.

We'll see Blink/Bishop again one day hopefully

I doubt Jean and Betsy will be on the same team, to be honest. We already have two psychics at the mansion (Xavier and Jean).

On the basis of what we know/expect, the horsemen have been chosen to fight the X-Men.

Jean vs Psylocke (both have psi powers), Archangel vs Storm (both fly), Cyclops vs Havok (both have energy projection). Who's the other speculated horseman?

 

[marvelrobbins]

Just enjoy your old VHS X1- X3 movies but they have zero impact on new generation X-Men movies.

Oh come on those films are on DVD,Blu-ray,and digital.

people make this way too difficult just accept time travel in DOFP erased non-FC films with possable exception of origin through WWII and WWII flashback
of the wolverine.