Apocalypse Fixing the X-Men timeline... always.

[dax]

They never explain us why Creed lost his memories. Some things will never be explained, as about the adamantium of Wolverine after his battle with Silver Samourai in OT

I don't believe Creed lost his memories at all. When he took Logan's dog tags in X1, he recognized the name on those tags (just like how in Predator, Arnold recognized the name on the dead soldier's tags) which is why Creed kept them throughout the movie. Another indication that Creed still remembers is the way he dodged Cyclops's laser beams seeing as how he ambused him at his high school in Origins. As for how Wolverine got his adamantium claws back, Magneto helped him by doing to him the same thing he did with Mr. Laurio in X2 when he sucked the iron out of his body.

 

[Mutant 77]

No matter how much discussion and fan theorising (and I've done a lot of that myself) parts of these movies are irreconcilable. They just don't fit neatly together at a detailed level.

Just like the X-Men comic books. You can fix the incongruences and the inconsistencies in a million of different ways. It's funny.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

I don't believe Creed lost his memories at all. When he took Logan's dog tags in X1, he recognized the name on those tags (just like how in Predator, Arnold recognized the name on the dead soldier's tags) which is why Creed kept them throughout the movie. Another indication that Creed still remembers is the way he dodged Cyclops's laser beams seeing as how he ambused him at his high school in Origins. As for how Wolverine got his adamantium claws back,

We dont have any discussion between Logan and Sabrettoth in X1, like they have never met in past

he took Logan's dog tags, doesnt mean he know Logan. Toad took Cyclops's visor, but he has no relation with him. X1 was made before Origins however Singer had no intentions to make Creed as Logan's half-bro

But I was disappointed that there wasnt any relations between them in past, Sabretooth didnt talk with Wolvie, as old foe, etc

In this new timeeline, if Kurt is Mystique's son, so he is her son in X2 (OT) but they didnt know. Yet, she gave birth to a blue baby mutant with tail, 3-fingers ... But she didnt recognize Kurt ... Clearly, there wasnt any links between Logan/Sabret, Mystique/Kurt, Xavier/Juggernaut in OT.

 

[DigificWriter]

In the absence of official word on the subject, what DoFP did can be summed up by the following phrase:"ST'09 by way of FRINGE S4'.

For anybody who doesn't understand what that phrase means, DoFP created an alternate reality (ala ST'09) by creating an alternate/altered timeline (ala FRINGE S4).

 

[Spider-Fan83]

We dont have any discussion between Logan and Sabrettoth in X1, like they have never met in past

he took Logan's dog tags, doesnt mean he know Logan. Toad took Cyclops's visor, but he has no relation with him. X1 was made before Origins however Singer had no intentions to make Creed as Logan's half-bro

But I was disappointed that there wasnt any relations between them in past, Sabretooth didnt talk with Wolvie, as old foe, etc

Sabrettoth could've have also suffered memory loss (given the drastic change to his appearance between Liev's version and Tyler's) one would assume he went through some experimentation/transformation of his own, that could have also infected his mind/memory

the fact that there was no dialogue between these too, shouldn't be that jarring, actions speak louder then words, they are both more men of action (even if they did recognize each other) do you really think they'd seat around reminiscing about their childhood, over fighting

In this new timeeline, if Kurt is Mystique's son, so he is her son in X2 (OT) but they didnt know. Yet, she gave birth to a blue baby mutant with tail, 3-fingers ... But she didnt recognize Kurt ... Clearly, there wasnt any links between Logan/Sabret, Mystique/Kurt, Xavier/Juggernaut in OT.

just cause she didn't say anything about it, doesn't mean she didn't know who he was

did we really need a "Kurt... I am your mother" line in there

 

[Mutant 77]

just cause she didn't say anything about it, doesn't mean she did know who he was

did we really need a "Kurt... I am your mother" line in there

Bingo! You're correct, sir.

 

[dax]

We dont have any discussion between Logan and Sabrettoth in X1, like they have never met in past

he took Logan's dog tags, doesnt mean he know Logan. Toad took Cyclops's visor, but he has no relation with him. X1 was made before Origins however Singer had no intentions to make Creed as Logan's half-bro

But I was disappointed that there wasnt any relations between them in past, Sabretooth didnt talk with Wolvie, as old foe, etc

In this new timeeline, if Kurt is Mystique's son, so he is her son in X2 (OT) but they didnt know. Yet, she gave birth to a blue baby mutant with tail, 3-fingers ... But she didnt recognize Kurt ... Clearly, there wasnt any links between Logan/Sabret, Mystique/Kurt, Xavier/Juggernaut in OT.

Logan has amnesia. He doesn't even remember Sabertooth or any of the following:
-his own childhood.
-all the wars he fought in.
- meeting Prof. X and Magneto in 1962.
-saving Yashida from the Nagasaki bombing.
-meeting William Stryker during the Vietnam war.
-his romance with Kayla.
nor
-the weapon x experiment.

As for Sabertooth, you don't take someone's dog tags unless you have some history with that person which Sabertooth clearly does have with Wolverine. Plus, he was suppose to capture Rogue but he decides to attack Wolverine first due to some unknown beef between the 2. Just because Sabertooth never talked to Wolverine, it doesn't mean that he doesn't remember him nor that there wasn't any relations between them (after all, Mystique and Xavier never saw each other in the X-men trilogy and yet, they're suppose to be BFF's as it was shown in First Class.) Besides, you don't know what Singer intends to do with the Wolverine/Sabertooth family history and he couldn't erase their history even if he wanted to since they go way back to the 1800's. As for Mystique/Kurt and Xavier/Juggernaut, how is Mystique suppose to remember Kurt when she abandoned him when he was a baby and clearly, he has no memory of her not to mention that Xavier and Juggernaut were never biologically related.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Most, if not all, of Logan's lost memories were recovered - with help from Charles - by the conclusion of X2.

 

[BMM]

I don't think there's anything in X2 that indicates that.

 

[DigificWriter]

I may have misspoke a bit, but it's clear by the time of The Wolverine that he's gotten back memories that were lost to him during the events of Origins: Wolverine, since he clearly recognizes Yashida and remembers saving his life at Nagasaki in 1945. He also talks during DoFP about having experienced many wars, further indicating that he's no longer suffering from amnesia by the point Kitty sends his consciousness back in time.

 

[Mutant 77]

I may have misspoke a bit, but it's clear by the time of The Wolverine that he's gotten back memories that were lost to him during the events of Origins: Wolverine, since he clearly recognizes Yashida and remembers saving his life at Nagasaki in 1945. He also talks during DoFP about having experienced many wars, further indicating that he's no longer suffering from amnesia by the point Kitty sends his consciousness back in time.

Indeed.

The Wolverine is set in 2013. X2 is set in 2005. X3 is set in 2006. He recovered his memories in the 2007-2013 time-gap.

 

[DigificWriter]

N/m.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

(after all, Mystique and Xavier never saw each other in the X-men trilogy and yet, they're suppose to be BFF's as it was shown in First Class.) Besides, you don't know what Singer intends to do with the Wolverine/Sabertooth family history and he couldn't erase their history even if he wanted to since they go way back to the 1800's. As for Mystique/Kurt and Xavier/Juggernaut, how is Mystique suppose to remember Kurt when she abandoned him when he was a baby and clearly, he has no memory of her not to mention that Xavier and Juggernaut were never biologically related.

In original trilogy, Xavier never met Mystique.
But we can consider they definitively broke up when Magneto formed his brotherhood.
Sure that producers didnt want to create any relations between Logan/Sabretooth, Mystique/Kurt, Xavier/Juggernaut in trilogy.

In this new timeline i hope Nighcrawler will be Mystique/Azazel's child

 

[Super Jim]

Isn't/wasn't First Class considered part of the original timeline?

Since the new timeline diverged from the original in 1973, anything prior should be canon in both timelines.

That means that Xavier and Mystique must have met/grown up together in the OT, even though it was obviously not the case when X1 through X3 were written. I guess you can kind of look on that as a retcon.

Since we know that Kurt will be say 19 or so in this Apocalypse movie set in 1983, that means he was born a year or two after the events of First Class. And again, it did seem that Mystique did not know who Kurt was in X2, so it can be assumed that him being her son was not the case when that story was written, and again, another mini-retcon. I guess it could be suggested that she was pretending to not know, but really, whatever...

I too hope that Azazel is Kurt's father and Mystique is indeed his mother, but better yet, I hope they make it part of this story. What a missed opportunity as I would imagine any relationship that Raven and Azazel had in say 1964 was a direct result of Eric leaving (to save Kennedy), which is likely something that would need to be resolved between Eric and she. This would also add to numerous character's development (including Kurt's - and it woud help explain his origin).

 

[CyclopsSummers]

Since we know that Kurt will be say 19 or so in this Apocalypse movie set in 1983, that means he was born a year or two after the events of First Class. And again, it did seem that Mystique did not know who Kurt was in X2,

But if Kurt is Mystique's child in Apocalypse, in the OT she did have to intrigue about him in X2, she knows she gave birth to a baby mutant looking like Kurt. Seems she prefers to forget and ignore this fact.

In my thought, Angel will be born earlier in the new timeline and Apo will take him as a child to transforms him into superhorseman with new mutation, resulting an adult form

 

[kasjan]

But if Kurt is Mystique's child in Apocalypse, in the OT she did have to intrigue about him in X2, she knows she gave birth to a baby mutant looking like Kurt. Seems she prefers to forget and ignore this fact.

Looks like you should watch some deleted scene from X2.

 

[Mutant 77]

I totally revised my scenario and my website. Totally.


The X-Men timeline was altered EVEN before the events of DOFP.
The X-Men timeline morphed TWO TIMES, not just one.
This theory explains all incongruences and errors, and also fixes them once and for all.
No Father/Son crap, no similar mutants crap, no ignoring timestamps.
http://x-continuity.blogspot.it/p/essential-timeline.html

I MADE IT!
Have a good read my X-Fellows...

 

[Mutant 77]

What if Legion/David will become the mutant "Unknown" who will travel back in time and change Timeline Prime A? This would place "Legion" after "The Last Stand". Fascinating.

 

[Mutant 77]

For those interested:

I just fixed some mistakes in all 3 timelines (my personal scenario) and issued a new section focused on the DEADPOOL/APOCALYPSE "FIXES".

http://x-continuity.blogspot.com

Have a good read.

 

[Weather Witch]

For those interested:

I just fixed some mistakes in all 3 timelines (my personal scenario) and issued a new section focused on the DEADPOOL/APOCALYPSE "FIXES".

http://x-continuity.blogspot.com

Have a good read.

You know... I'm starting to realize this forum would not be the same without you. Deadpool's Colossus is the same guy as the OT Colossus except more food and became a body builder. That must mean that in human form he has too much chest even for me. I mean have you seen Cudmore? Deadpool's Colossus is like three times as big in all directions. t:

I kinda want to see his new human form now.

 

[Mutant 77]

You know... I'm starting to realize this forum would not be the same without you. Deadpool's Colossus is the same guy as the OT Colossus except more food and became a body builder. That must mean that in human form he has too much chest even for me. I mean have you seen Cudmore? Deadpool's Colossus is like three times as big in all directions. t:

I kinda want to see his new human form now.

Yeah... hopefully in "Deadpool 2" we will learn more about him and Warhead.

Thank you so much for wanting me here. LOL
I like this place.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

What were the continuity errors again? Let's review...
- Charles says he met Erik at 17. Perhaps they met in passing before the events of First Class and didn't realize until much later.
- Charles says Erik helped build Cerebro. Maybe just the specific version of Cerebro during the short stint they were pals in the 80s, while Beast and Charles built the first prototype in FC.
- Sabretooth looks and acts completely different in O:W (late 70s/early 80s) and in X-Men (early 00s). His mutation and advanced aging can be blamed. In 2020 he'll be even more of an animal...
- Trask in X3 and DoFP look and act different. Black Trask a cousin or nephew of Bolivar Trask.
- Emma Frost in FC and (the much younger) Emma Silverfox in O:W with the same powers. Maybe they are relatives and Emma is a family name.
- Child "Storm" easter egg in FC. Is this Ororo's mother as a child carrying the x-gene long before Storm was born?
- Colossus is gigantic and Russian in DP and not so much otherwise. The timeline change causes him to be raised in Russia instead of the US. He does much more weight training, until he becomes a teacher in 2020 and trims down.
- Caliban seen in Apocalypse and in Logan. ~30 years old in X:A and ~75 in Logan. His mutation also gives him a longevity boost.
- Character ages in general. The X-gene gives varying longevity boosts across the board.
- Professor Xavier is alive (in his own body?) and still paralyzed in TW/DoFP. This one's hard to rectify but the official word is it was his brain-dead twin he transferred his consciousness into, somehow making it paraplegic in the process?
- Moira is a young adult human in the 60s and retains her youth in the 2000s. 24 in 1962 and 68 in 2006 with heavily dyed hair and some subtle cosmetic surgery? Not ideal but possible.
- Angel in Apocalypse 20+ years older than in X3. He would have had to have been born before 1973 for this to make sense... Time-river ripples change his birth date retroactively?
- Wade Wilson youthful in both O:W (70s/80s) and pre-mutation in DP (2015). This is a tough one and would make him ~55 in 2015. Time-river ripples again I guess.

Can't think of any more right now. But that's most of my current head-canon. Overall not *too* bad. But I really wish they'd start at least considering continuity a little bit more than they do currently.

 

[henzINNIT]

I kinda want to see his new human form now.

Beefcake

 

[Weather Witch]

Beefcake

I love you so much right now. t:

 

[2kt09]

What were the continuity errors again? Let's review...
- Charles says he met Erik at 17. Perhaps they met in passing before the events of First Class and didn't realize until much later.
- Charles says Erik helped build Cerebro. Maybe just the specific version of Cerebro during the short stint they were pals in the 80s, while Beast and Charles built the first prototype in FC.
- Sabretooth looks and acts completely different in O:W (late 70s/early 80s) and in X-Men (early 00s). His mutation and advanced aging can be blamed. In 2020 he'll be even more of an animal...
- Emma Frost in FC and (the much younger) Emma Silverfox in O:W with the same powers. Maybe they are relatives and Emma is a family name.
- Child "Storm" easter egg in FC. Is this Ororo's mother as a child carrying the x-gene long before Storm was born?
- Colossus is gigantic and Russian in DP and not so much otherwise. The timeline change causes him to be raised in Russia instead of the US. He does much more weight training, until he becomes a teacher in 2020 and trims down.
- Caliban seen in Apocalypse and in Logan. ~30 years old in X:A and ~75 in Logan. His mutation also gives him a longevity boost.
- Character ages in general. The X-gene gives varying longevity boosts across the board.
- Professor Xavier is alive (in his own body?) and still paralyzed in TW/DoFP. This one's hard to rectify but the official word is it was his brain-dead twin he transferred his consciousness into, somehow making it paraplegic in the process?
- Moira is a young adult human in the 60s and retains her youth in the 2000s. 24 in 1962 and 68 in 2006 with heavily dyed hair and some subtle cosmetic surgery? Not ideal but possible.
- Angel in Apocalypse 20+ years older than in X3. He would have had to have been born before 1973 for this to make sense... Time-river ripples change his birth date retroactively?
- Wade Wilson youthful in both O:W (70s/80s) and pre-mutation in DP (2015). This is a tough one and would make him ~55 in 2015. Time-river ripples again I guess.

Can't think of any more right now. But that's most of my current head-canon. Overall not *too* bad. But I really wish they'd start at least considering continuity a little bit more than they do currently.

I like the rationale of how the things Charles stated regarding Erik were all lies to give their relationship more significance to likely repress a major fallout.
Sabretooth becoming more feral is a nice touch, sort of the reverse for Beast.
Emma Frost clones.
Those little kid teases in FC just seemed more like neat references than anything of value for the narrative.
Colossus's mutation changes in the new timeline, which includes growing in size on top of his normal ability.
Merchant's Caliban, mostly because of the makeup, looks much older than Apoc's as is.
The greatest irony of all, his twin was also a paraplegic
Yeah, going with Moira's daughter. Black Trask is adopted.
Different Angels along with all those other different vaguely familiar characters.
Wade Wilson has an older doppleganger.

Honestly, I much prefer to see them as alternate realities "crossing streams"
Original timeline left unchanged (incorporates Wolverine trilogy)
Revised Original timeline (incorporates DOFP future with all the various shifts)
FC timeline (incorporates Deadpool)