for the Last Time, Two-Face is white in TAS.

[Morgoth]

Bruce Timm said he thought it was weird that some thought Lex and Two-Face were black just 'cause they had outlined lips.

I knew they were white, but sometimes you still see people saying that well, it's not true, and just because someone has big lips doesn't make them black.

 

[Tin_Man]

Bruce Timm said he thought it was weird that some thought Lex and Two-Face were black just 'cause they had outlined lips.

I knew they were white, but sometimes you still see people saying that well, it's not true, and just because someone has big lips doesn't make them black.

I figured they were black because of their darker skin

 

[TheOriginalman]

I figured they were black because of their darker skin

Where do these people get this stupid idea hat Two Face (or on another post, Lex Luthor) is Black? Nothing shows me that Two Face is Black.

 

[CConn]

I figured they were black because of their darker skin

I don't know about Two-Face, but Luthor's appearance was based on Telly Savalas. And Telly, being Greek, had a rather dark complexion.

 

[Tin_Man]

Where do these people get this stupid idea hat Two Face (or on another post, Lex Luthor) is Black? Nothing shows me that Two Face is Black.

Look at what you quoted, and you will have your answer, Einstein


Seriously, though. Dark complexion = black. It's a stereotype, but then again, that's what alot of cartoons focus on; unless you watch/read otherwise, you'll believe he's black. Im not insisting that he actually is, mind you. Just presenting the other POV.

 

[Ibn]

I figured they were black because of their darker skin

And there you have it. Thank you man. Also, I haven't really seen that many white cats who can pull off that pre Two Face Harvey hairstyle. Also, whoever was doing his voice b4 he was Two Face has the blackest voice in the history of cartoons. Just a few things that would lead people to get this stupid idea that Harvey and Lex were black. Where Exactly can I find this Bruce Timm interview? I'd like to see what else he thinks.

 

[Bathead]

I think the reason some think he is black is two-fold (no pun intended), One, the features he is drawn with are kinda racially ambiguous, and two, because Burton cast Billy Dee Williams as Dent in B'89.

 

[CConn]

I haven't really seen that many white cats who can pull off that pre Two Face Harvey hairstyle.

Jews can do it.

Jews can do anything.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

And there you have it. Thank you man. Also, I haven't really seen that many white cats who can pull off that pre Two Face Harvey hairstyle. Also, whoever was doing his voice b4 he was Two Face has the blackest voice in the history of cartoons. Just a few things that would lead people to get this stupid idea that Harvey and Lex were black. Where Exactly can I find this Bruce Timm interview? I'd like to see what else he thinks.

lol, the actor was Richard Moll, Bull from Night Court. Where the devil did all this race confusion on these characters come from? In all my years being a fan and collector, talking to dozens of fans, have i ever heard of this confusion until this thread.

 

[TheOriginalman]

And there you have it. Thank you man. Also, I haven't really seen that many white cats who can pull off that pre Two Face Harvey hairstyle. Also, whoever was doing his voice b4 he was Two Face has the blackest voice in the history of cartoons. Just a few things that would lead people to get this stupid idea that Harvey and Lex were black. Where Exactly can I find this Bruce Timm interview? I'd like to see what else he thinks.

Neither Two Face or Lex Luthor were voiced by Black actors. Two Face was played by Richard Moll (Bull from Night Court). Lex was played by Clancy Brown (the Kurgan from the first Highlander movie). Still that wouldn't prove anything even if they were voiced by Black actors. The Kingpin on the Spiderman animated series was voiced by a Black actor, yet he's clearly White.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

does it really matter what the individual thinks?

everyone who thinks he's white will keep thinking that

everyone who thinks they are black will keep thinking that

everyone in the middle will do what they do.

the fact of the matter is that race doesn't harm the story so WHO HONESTLY CARES????

there's absolutely nothing to gain or lose from debating this.

 

[Morgoth]

Where do these people get this stupid idea hat Two Face (or on another post, Lex Luthor) is Black? Nothing shows me that Two Face is Black.

They didn't have darker skin either, Timm even said Lex had the same color as Superman.

They are white. They don't look darker than Bruce or Clark. Peolpe see outlined lips and think they're meant to be ethnic, I never thought so, just a distinct feature.

 

[trustyside-kick]

How could people think that in TAS Lex and Two-Face were black?

 

[newwaveboy87]

Jews can do it.

Jews can do anything.

god bless the Jews.
i love them so!

 

[captain_jimbo]

Well I never thought Lex Luthor was black, but when I was younger I wasn't sure whether Two-Face was black, white, or of mixed race. Not that it matters anyway.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Well I never thought Lex Luthor was black, but when I was younger I wasn't sure whether Two-Face was black, white, or of mixed race. Not that it matters anyway.

Did you think that because of the Batman 89 movie? They had an actor as Harvey Dent who is black. That always bothered me.

 

[captain_jimbo]

Did you think that because of the Batman 89 movie? They had an actor as Harvey Dent who is black. That always bothered me.

No, I just thought in the animated series his skin looked dark. But why did it bother you that he was black in Batman 89?

 

[Two-Face]

Maybe he is white in comics but it not bother me cos Burton's Harvey Dent was hardly in the movie. Hopefully Nolan will give him a screen time he deserves in Batman 2.

 

[trustyside-kick]

No, I just thought in the animated series his skin looked dark. But why did it bother you that he was black in Batman 89?

Because I like to be as close to the comics as possible. He was shown white in the comics. I also disliked how in the Daredevil movie they made Kingpin black; simply because he is not in the comics.

 

[newwaveboy87]

i don't care if they change the race of some supporting/minor characters.
like if they made Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, or Riddler a different race - wouldn't bother me. hell, they could change Robin's race and i probably wouldn't care.

there's only a few characters were race should actually matter.

 

[captain_jimbo]

Because I like to be as close to the comics as possible. He was shown white in the comics. I also disliked how in the Daredevil movie they made Kingpin black; simply because he is not in the comics.

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from, although I quite liked Michael Clarke Duncan as The Kingpin.

 

[Odin's Lapdog]

i don't care if they change the race of some supporting/minor characters.
like if they made Catwoman, Poison Ivy, Two-Face, or Riddler a different race - wouldn't bother me. hell, they could change Robin's race and i probably wouldn't care.

there's only a few characters were race should actually matter.

which characters are these?

personally, i don't care as long as it doesn't affect the story or is just used as a gimmick.

it really doesn't matter. It's like telling people off when reading the comics for not reading xavier, juggernauts or gwen staceys quote boxes with an english accent.

i mean no one gives a flying monkeys or really should, it's all in the viewer's interpretation.

 

[newwaveboy87]

which characters are these?

personally, i don't care as long as it doesn't affect the story or is just used as a gimmick.

it really doesn't matter. It's like telling people off when reading the comics for not reading xavier, juggernauts or gwen staceys quote boxes with an english accent.

i mean no one gives a flying monkeys or really should, it's all in the viewer's interpretation.

Alfred needs to be an old white butler because his character is of a certain generation, and a certain time in how things operated in Britain.

Batman needs to be white because his character's family history - they're wealthy WASPs going back a few generations, and given the history of the US any other race couldn't have done that.

oh, and race also matters if the names of the character depict a certain nationality - Montoya comes to mind - or if their race is actually important to their character's background - Lucius Fox anyone?

i agree with the rest of your statements though. people complain about Juggernaut being cockney in the movie, but in the comics there is no heard voice, and Xaiver is English in the movies. his step-brother needed to be from somewhere in England. that's just one example.

 

[trustyside-kick]

i agree with the rest of your statements though. people complain about Juggernaut being cockney in the movie, but in the comics there is no heard voice, and Xaiver is English in the movies. his step-brother needed to be from somewhere in England. that's just one example.

But you forget one huge thing...they never hinted that Juggernaut in this movie is related to Charles. I mean, he is not even a mutant just has that ruby (I forget what it is called) and that special helmet; in the film he is a mutant and that helmet is just to protect his head when he smashes into crap...so what you just said really is not valid because he would not have to of had a british accent.

Plus, like you said he is his step-brother, so he would not have to be british even if they acknowledged him as being related to Charles.

 

[newwaveboy87]

But you forget one huge thing...they never hinted that Juggernaut in this movie is related to Charles. I mean, he is not even a mutant just has that ruby (I forget what it is called) and that special helmet; in the film he is a mutant and that helmet is just to protect his head when he smashes into crap...so what you just said really is not valid because he would not have to of had a british accent.

Plus, like you said he is his step-brother, so he would not have to be british even if they acknowledged him as being related to Charles.

there was a deleted scene where they explained that ....