Freedom of Speech are you in favor or not.

[Whirlysplat]

My opinion fits with Tommy Smothers - "The only valid censorship of ideas is the right of people not to listen."

My experience is people who proclaim themselves as liberals are often the first to censor opinion, perhaps this reflects the lack of confidence they have in themselves. As John Mill once said " If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."

Thoughts?

 

[Addendum]

It's not like one political ideology has a monopoly on it.

 

[Whirlysplat]

It's not like one political ideology has a monopoly on it.

You are free to disagree. However liberals invented political correctness. didn't they?

 

[Carcharodon]

It's not like one political ideology has a monopoly on it.

Don't tell him that. You'll shatter his perception of reality.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Don't tell him that. You'll shatter his perception of reality.

You see you are free to say that, however, liberals tend to introduce new laws to create nanny states more than conservatives. Your view of reality seems quite narrow and literal. That's an observation, not an insult.

 

[Carcharodon]

You see you are free to say that, however, liberals tend to introduce new laws to create nanny states more than conservatives.

So tell me, Whirly: at what point should this be moved to the "Politics" forum? My opinion is the first post.

 

[Carcharodon]

Your view of reality seems quite narrow and literal. That's an observation, not an insult.

That's interesting, how did you come to that conclusion? You don't know me. I'd really like you to back that up.

 

[Whirlysplat]

So tell me, Whirly: at what point should this be moved to the "Politics" forum? My opinion is the first post.

This is not just political. It really about the rights of an individual that supercede politics. The right to be heard. Online we have no idea who we are conversing with, or what they really think as a result this should lead to more opinions being voiced shouldn't it?

 

[Whirlysplat]

That's interesting, how did you come to that conclusion? You don't know me. I'd really like you to back that up.

Well you seem to for instance take things on face value. For instance you have decided upon my world view for me. Am I right?


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Don't tell him that. You'll shatter his perception of reality.

 

[Carcharodon]

This is not just political. It really about the rights of an individual that supercede politics. The right to be heard. Online we have no idea who we are conversing with, or what they really think as a result this should lead to more opinions being voiced shouldn't it?

The more you talk about "liberals" as though they're in conflict with this free-speech ideology, then you're injecting a healthy amount of politics into the discussion. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

 

[Carcharodon]

Well you seem to for instance take things on face value. For instance you have decided upon my world view for me. Am I right?

Not even remotely.

I merely commented on what the EFFECT of that comment may be on your perception. I never pretended to know exactly what said perception was, nor did I ever hint that such was the case. Besides, you weren't exactly being subtle, were you?

 

[Showtime]

Freedom of Speech applies to everywhere except for The Hype. Here it is a Modocrisy.

 

[Whirlysplat]

The more you talk about "liberals" as though they're in conflict with this free-speech ideology, then you're injecting a healthy amount of politics into the discussion. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Ahh, again you are infereing something political, when I mean a wider type of liberal. The person who feels they hold views not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas. Is often actually the person who becomes the most bigoted towards views that conflict with there own. Just an observation.

 

[Hush]

I agree 100% with free speach in every right but i believe people need to use common sense when using this great ideal and right.

 

[Carcharodon]

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Stop editing your posts, damnit.

 

[Addendum]

You are free to disagree. However liberals invented political correctness. didn't they?

True. And religion, predominately conservative in outlook, has censored or attempted to censor anything objectionable to a particular faith, including various scientific theories, and sex ed.

 

[Whirlysplat]

Not even remotely.

I merely commented on what the EFFECT of that comment may be on your perception. I never pretended to know exactly what said perception was, nor did I ever hint that such was the case. Besides, you weren't exactly being subtle, were you?

Again you are literal. Ironic? Y-yes.

Freedom of Speech applies to everywhere except for The Hype. Here it is a Modocrisy.

Where are the hypes servers?

 

[Whirlysplat]

True. And religion, predominately conservative in outlook, has censored or attempted to censor anything objectionable to a particular faith, various scientific theories, and sex ed.

Religion.... I say "Magic".

 

[Addendum]

religion = cult

 

[Raiden]

Last time I checked, conservatives aren't champions of free speech either, so I'm perplexed at your insistence of accusing liberals of this "crime".

 

[Carcharodon]

Ahh, again you are infereing something political, when I mean a wider type of liberal. The person who feels they hold views not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas. Is often actually the person who becomes the most bigoted towards views that conflict with there own. Just an observation.

There's probably a grain of truth in there. Then again, I could make the easy (and likely predictable) argument that you may be MORE likely to see such qualities in the people who DO subscribe to established, traditional, orthodox or authoritarian views or dogmas.

That's really what I intended with my first post, bit it looks as though neither of us made ourselves very clear.

 

[Bubonic]

People should be permitted to voice their opinions, no matter how revolting they can be.
It is a founding block of a free society.
We don't really live in free societies, yet it is nice to not be censored in every which way.

What are the limits though?
I think legally your permitted to preach hate like the westboro idiots do, but you can't explicitly encourage people to take violent action.

This is basically good, but it also is a way for the government to prevent people from taking protest out of the framework they have set.

They'll come a time when things have gone to **** and peaceful protest might not be appropriate anymore, but you'll get arrested for suggesting to rise up and take action.

 

[Whirlysplat]

There's probably a grain of truth in there. Then again, I could make the easy (and likely predictable) argument that you may be MORE likely to see such qualities in the people who DO subscribe to established, traditional, orthodox or authoritarian views or dogmas.

That's really what I intended with my first post, bit it looks as though neither of us made ourselves very clear.

Well I only performed plagiarism on a few great minds for my starter post. No wonder it's not clear. What's your excuse?

 

[Carcharodon]

Really? This wasn't your own idea, then?

My experience is people who proclaim themselves as liberals are often the first to censor opinion, perhaps this reflects the lack of confidence they have in themselves.

My mistake.

 

[Whirlysplat]

I agree 100% with free speach in every right but i believe people need to use common sense when using this great ideal and right.

I hope this was intentionally ironic. If so - big up!