Freedom of Speech are you in favor or not.

[The Guard]

People should be free to say what they want. They should also realize that others are free to act on those statements and actions, and that just because you can say something, doesn't mean it will be good for you to.

 

[DACrowe]

It is not a myth, Political Correctness is a belief in making people behave in a way as to not offend anyone else. Your "Hegemonies of their perents generations" is an excuse for the behavior.

Is it not behavior control to say that male children can only behave a certain way and if they act any other they are wimps or if their parents raise them any differently they are wimpified?

I see those trying to maintain the status quo and have all boys and girls be raised to act a certain way as a far more direct form of behavioral control.

BTW political correctness is only maintained by institutions that have the right to say what you can say in their boundaries. The government will not censor you on that charge, unless you are network television, in which case you do have a point.

 

[BlackLantern]

People should be free to say what they want. They should also realize that others are free to act on those statements and actions, and that just because you can say something, doesn't mean it will be good for you to.

Agreed...you can say what you want, but there are consequences to that....

 

[zeptron]

So many people say they believe in freedom of speech, but really they only do if the person in question is saying something they agree with. I see this all the time.

 

[The Senator]

EDIT: I thought this was the "all adults who hand out candy on Halloween are pedophiles" thread. Keep it open.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Free speech isn't free, it can cost LOTS OF MONEY if someone is maliciously or even ignorantly spreads hate, slanderous / liable lies. You can be sued.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

You see you are free to say that, however, liberals tend to introduce new laws to create nanny states more than conservatives. Your view of reality seems quite narrow and literal. That's an observation, not an insult.

*coughcoughHOMELANDSECURITYcoughcoughhack*

I heard about it on the News about a year ago or so, I'm sure you can google it and find something. There are many times when something as silly as that get blown out of proportion all in the name of Political Correctness. When you can do or say something for fear of offending someone, no matter how silly it is, the world becomes a little more under the grip of tyrrany.

I searched for "three-inch GI Joe school" and now I hate you. Granted, I should have realized I was on Google images and the SafeSearch was off, but I still hate you.



As for my opinion--you have the right to say whatever you want, just also know that the right also includes my making fun of you for it.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

I don't have a problem with free speech, everyone should have an opinion. Everyone apart from illegal immigrants!! I hate all this crap about "human rights" though. Why should a convicted Albanian rapist be allowed in my country just because the jails in Albania are a little bit crappy? Jails are supposed to be crappy!! And why should some Somalian immigrant be granted asylum in my country because he will be killed if he goes home? Sorry pal but you should **** off and face the music!!

The problem with the human rights issue is that it is like supporting a law that states that anyone that looks at you cock-eyed can get arrested. Sure it works when you are demanding people get arrested but what happens when the guy at the library claims you are looking at them cock-eyed.

It seems reasonable in some instances to not allow human rights for criminals but once you give the government the go ahead to ignore their human rights you give them a back door to ignore your human rights.

In conclusion, we as the masses spent several millenia getting these human rights suffering through intolernace, murder and genocide, do you really want to flush it all down the toilet because some guy you don`t know but don`t approve of is having it slightly easier than you`d like? Is it really worth the risk of losing your own rights?

 

[Iceburgeruk]

It is not a myth, Political Correctness is a belief in making people behave in a way as to not offend anyone else. Your "Hegemonies of their perents generations" is an excuse for the behavior.

I`ve found that the people who complain loudest about political correctness are racist comedians who are out of work because society doesn`t like them peddling their hate-mongering filth on stage or dvd.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

In England the government doesn't like houses or cars to have the Flag of St George on them because it might offend the ethnic minorities. What a load of BS!!! I don't give a toss about ethnic minorities feelings about the English flag. If they come here to live they have to live our way, if they have a problem **** off back to Somalia.

That was because in the 70s and 80s racist thugs started using english iconography extensively so british people began to feel celebrating their nation would be linked to racism so people kinda censored their won nation pride themselves.

Recently (last couple of world cups and big national events) the average people have gotten the flag back as being a positive symbol and these days it isn`t really a big prob if you have a union jack or st george flag on your car.

And don`t pick on the Somalians. Never met a Somalian but nevertheless I will defend their right to live here to the death, my friend.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Well I've met a Somalian, he stabbed my friend.

But anyway, I get what your saying but I still think an English person should be able to hold the flag high, no questions asked. English people should be the priority in England, not foreigners.

 

[Iceburgeruk]

Well I've met a Somalian, he stabbed my friend.

But anyway, I get what your saying but I still think an English person should be able to hold the flag high, no questions asked. English people should be the priority in England, not foreigners.

So one Somailian guy stabs your mate so you don`t like anyone from Somalia?

But anyway, I get what your saying but I still think an English person should be able to hold the flag high, no questions asked.

The reason people don`t isn`t because of people from otehr countries its coz they are too scared of seeming racist. They should just lighten up and celebrate their nation.

English people should be the priority in England, not foreigners.

The two aims of democratic government are to represent the beliefs and concerns of the majority whilst simultaneously to protect the minority from persecution by the majority. Immigrants are a minority and thereby are entitled to protection from the mood swings of the majority.

 

[psychocheeseman]

People should be permitted to voice their opinions, no matter how revolting they can be.
It is a founding block of a free society.
We don't really live in free societies, yet it is nice to not be censored in every which way.

What are the limits though?
I think legally your permitted to preach hate like the westboro idiots do, but you can't explicitly encourage people to take violent action.

This is basically good, but it also is a way for the government to prevent people from taking protest out of the framework they have set.

They'll come a time when things have gone to **** and peaceful protest might not be appropriate anymore, but you'll get arrested for suggesting to rise up and take action.

I disagree. Free speech is a wonderful thing but it needs to have it's limits where it concerns infringing the rights of others. For example, speaking freely and publicly of a hatred for a racial minority infringes upon their right to freedom from racial discrimination or defamation. In Australia we do not have an express freedom of speech in our Constitution - there is however an implicit right to a freedom of speech through the constitution as it sets up a democratic system of government - which would not work without free speech. This restricts free speech to political issues which allows democracy to prosper without the risk allowing defamation.
Whereas an express term runs the risk of literalist interpretation extending the right beyond what it was originally intended for.

 

[psychocheeseman]

can i change my vote i clicked the wrong one...

 

[Bathead]

At it's simplest, you have a right to state your opinion about anyone or anything. If. however your opinion falls to the level of slander and/or threat, then you may find yourself in a heap of trouble, as well you should be.

 

[Nivek]

I agree everyone has a right to state their opinion. However, if said opinion is something along the lines of "I want to rape your mother", I will probably beat you to death. Some opinions can be debated and just not sound right. Some people just have no mental blocks, are pretty dumb to general respect and tact, or are undiagnosed sociopaths. I've been unfortunate in having to deal with the public, and have noticed that 1 out of 10 people just are completely frightening in some hidden yet obvious way, or just they are for lack of better words talking wad's of psychotic meat.

Some people dont have the knowledge that some opinions, at any time, may not be an appropriate thing to say. Serj Tankin of System of a Down can have the opinion that 9/11 happened because of our presence in the middle east, but you dont say that the week after and the buildings were still smoldering. You don't tell one of your friends after he had a fight with his girlfriend that she came on you, and act like you did him a favor turning her away. Just some things in like, are not followed with words, sometimes its impacts fith fist, feet, and various found objects.

 

[Addendum]

Even if it's inappropriate, one can still say those things. Free speech doesn't mean no consequences.

Such as the Imus thing a year ago

 

[Bathead]

What's the old adage? You can have freeddom of speech, just don't yell "FIRE!!!" in a crowded theater when there isn't one.

 

[Dr Strange]

The truth is that there is no such thing as free speech, countries which says there is free speech are wrong, because if there is free speech people could get away with Racism, sexism and alot more and that is not what the majority of the world i hope wants to hear, its just that certain countries allow people to say more than others.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So one Somailian guy stabs your mate so you don`t like anyone from Somalia?



The reason people don`t isn`t because of people from otehr countries its coz they are too scared of seeming racist. They should just lighten up and celebrate their nation.



The two aims of democratic government are to represent the beliefs and concerns of the majority whilst simultaneously to protect the minority from persecution by the majority. Immigrants are a minority and thereby are entitled to protection from the mood swings of the majority.

Yep

 

[Addendum]

The truth is that there is no such thing as free speech, countries which says there is free speech are wrong, because if there is free speech people could get away with Racism, sexism and alot more and that is not what the majority of the world i hope wants to hear, its just that certain countries allow people to say more than others.

So free speech means no consequences?

 

[psychocheeseman]

free speech doesn't mean no consequences -
I think you should try and remember what the free speech clause was intended to be used for - and that's free speech in political matters - that being said - i love offensive comedians - the more offensive the better.
When Voltaire said (paraphrasing) "I don't agree with what you said, but i'll defend your right to say it to the death" perhaps he was also advocating a thick skinned approach to possibly inflamatory remarks....
p.s if anyone can find in teh context in which he made that comment i'd be most amused.

 

[Addendum]

I agree with Voltaire, and I know that my boss can fire me if I say racist or sexist things while at work

 

[Bathead]

I agree with Voltaire, and I know that my boss can fire me if I say racist or sexist things while at work

It's true, On the other hand, he can't fire you just because you might, for example, say that you support gay rights, and he doesn't.