G.I. Joe Rise Of Cobra possibly in huge trouble

[CelticPredator]

rosebud.

If a Bay apologist has a soul then so does a G1 fanatic.

Who am I apologizing for?

Bay is too awesome to apologize.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

he'll always be an opportunistic hack.

that why his action movies don't have classic or memorable action scenes but are just simply loud and dumb.

shame on us for wanting an action movie with suspense and tension instead of just high decibels.

 

[BlackLantern]

Hasbro doesn't give a **** about the integrity of the material. They just want a big ass movie that will make a ton of money they can put their names on.

Look at GI JOE.

Akira Toriyama toured the set of DBE and had a great time and told fans to see the movie and he's the creator of Dragon ball.

I'll watch GI Joe. but I'm not expecting the world....nor should I be IMO...the cartoons were great and the comics ive read...but at its base, this is a franchise based on a toy line...Ive grown to love the cartoons, Im not too familiar with the comics, but Im willing to give the movie a fair shake and maybe it will bring some younger fans to GI Joe

 

[CelticPredator]

Commando.

 

[BlackLantern]

Commando is high theater, I tell ya....high theater

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Who am I apologizing for?

Bay is too awesome to apologize.

In his dreams. Wait his dreams are already overcrowded with ****es and cocaine.

btw making excuses = apologist

That's all you do is make excuses for Bay.

 

[BlackLantern]

I happen to like ****es and cocaine...well not so much with the cocaine

 

[CelticPredator]

What excuses do I need to make? The man makes action movies. Thats all he does. And he's ****ing great at it.

 

[CelticPredator]

I happen to like ****es and cocaine

If it was weed, then yes. Dont think I could put coke in my nose...I had to have that thing Tony Stark had in Iron Man, the tube up the nose.

 

[BlackLantern]

and every director lays their eggs...Spielberg directed War of the Worlds and that IMO was the most boring movie ive seen out of him in a while

 

[The Guard]

lol. You guys keep using Jazz as an example because he's the only Bayformer with a human like face and visor.

Couldn't you say the same about Jazz in the comics? That he's instantly recognizable because of his visor, his headpiece, etc?

It's a moot point. I use Jazz because the average person going in didn't know who Jazz or Ironhide were, or the comic book differences between them. You can take pretty much any of them and compare them, and an intelligent person should be able to tell them apart visually. Brawl doesn't look just like Bonecrusher. Even the similar ones look markedly different.

There were different sizes, visual constructions, and voices. Much like in the comics (well, maybe not the voices) and the cartoons.

If you ask the average person which one is which in the comics, you know what they'll do? They'll look at all those blocky similar shapes and go "Well, those two are different colors".

4 hours if you include the first movie. Plenty of time to explore some of the more compelling themes in Transformers.

Hence me saying a PAIR of two hour films.

Some of the compelling themes, sure. Not all. And certainly not if the focus has been on the humans reaction to Transformers, as it was.

The parallels come from the Transformers on an individual bases. They had human-like struggles and aspirations when it came to their civil war.

And they don't have human like struggles in TRANSFORMERS? I get it. We haven't seen a "a day in the life of the Transformers". But they've got their struggles, and they seem to have aspirations in the movie as well.

In the first movie Optimus explains the origins of the war. They could've easily fit the real origin in there. Why the Transformers fought for millions of years is relevant to the story.

You could "They could have" about any film. If your issue is that this movie doesn't reach the full potential of TRANSFORMERS, you're not going to get an argument from me. It doesn't. I've never seen a comic book/cartoon adaption that reaches the full potential, or even close to, the full potential, of its source material.

I'm simply saying...some of the elements have been explored. No, all of them, even many of them, have not been. I can say the same thing about ANY comic book movie, including beloved or classic ones. I'm not going to condemn TRANSFORMERS for doing what every single adaption has done to source material.

Because of their rebellion the autobots started their own military to fight the decepticons.

Your point? How does that alter my point about Prime and the Autobots displaying a bit of anti-imperialism in the film?

 

[CelticPredator]

and every director lays their eggs...Spielberg directed War of the Worlds and that IMO was the most boring movie ive seen out of him in a while

I wouldnt agree that it was boring....but it wasnt very good.

The Alien scenes creeped me out.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What excuses do I need to make? The man makes action movies. Thats all he does. And he's ****ing great at it.

The Rock was his first and last decent action movie.

 

[BlackLantern]

I wouldnt agree that it was boring....but it wasnt very good.

The Alien scenes creeped me out.

to each is own....if anything Sommers is much easier to criticize than Michael Bay....The Mummy was great...but the other 2 films were very meh, Van Helsing just wouldn't end, so how he landed GI Joe...Im not too sure of...

 

[CelticPredator]

I agree.

I just found the scenes with the Aliens cool. I havent watched it in a while...so it might seem boring.

 

[BlackLantern]

Deep Rising (which I found on DVD for like 5 bucks) is mildly entertaining....mainly because of Treat Williams and Sommers directed the Mummy the year after that

 

[CelticPredator]

****, I LOVE Deep Rising. Treat Williams is a badass. I need to buy it.

 

[BlackLantern]

on that same day...I also found The Phantom (for like 6 bucks) this big bin thing at my grocery store with random movies in it....if you are ever looking for something that isnt in the traditional movie stores anymore or online...check your grocery store

 

[CelticPredator]

All they have is old TV shows, and bad Disney movies....


I've found more obscure movies at Wal-Mart then anywhere else....no lie.

I found Dead Alive Unrated for 7 bucks there.....

 

[BlackLantern]

I found at my grocery store for under 10 bucks

Batman: MOTP
Batman Beyond: ROTJ
The Phantom
The Shadow
Deep Rising
The Last Dragon
The Ghost and the Darkness

 

[CelticPredator]

MOTP is fantastic, as is ROJ. Just saying.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Couldn't you say the same about Jazz in the comics? That he's instantly recognizable because of his visor, his headpiece, etc?

It's a moot point. I use Jazz because the average person going in didn't know who Jazz or Ironhide were, or the comic book differences between them. You can take pretty much any of them and compare them, and an intelligent person should be able to tell them apart visually. Brawl doesn't look just like Bonecrusher. Even the similar ones look markedly different.

There were different sizes, visual constructions, and voices. Much like in the comics (well, maybe not the voices) and the cartoons.

If you ask the average person which one is which in the comics, you know what they'll do? They'll look at all those blocky similar shapes and go "Well, those two are different colors".

Which one is Brawl and which one is Bonecrusher?

Hence me saying a PAIR of two hour films.

Some of the compelling themes, sure. Not all. And certainly not if the focus has been on the humans reaction to Transformers, as it was.

The whole "human reaction" thing could be covered in the 25 minutes. You can't really stretch it out 2 entire movies.

And they don't have human like struggles in TRANSFORMERS? I get it. We haven't seen a "a day in the life of the Transformers". But they've got their struggles, and they seem to have aspirations in the movie as well.

what conveys their human-like aspirations and struggles is their Transformer to Transformer interactions. Something that has lacked terribly so far in the movies.

You could "They could have" about any film. If your issue is that this movie doesn't reach the full potential of TRANSFORMERS, you're not going to get an argument from me. It doesn't. I've never seen a comic book/cartoon adaption that reaches the full potential, or even close to, the full potential, of its source material.

I'm not asking for the full potential to be reached but simply that some of the more compelling themes be explored and that the movie is truly memorable.

I'm simply saying...some of the elements have been explored. No, all of them, even many of them, have not been. I can say the same thing about ANY comic book movie, including beloved or classic ones. I'm not going to condemn TRANSFORMERS for doing what every single adaption has done to source material.

Few if any elements have been explored. In between human shenanigans the movie relegates into a big, dumb, loud chase movie.

Your point? How does that alter my point about Prime and the Autobots displaying a bit of anti-imperialism in the film?

not sure what you're referring to here.

 

[Timstuff]

The way I see it, we are learning about the Transformers at the same time as the human characters, so we're along for the ride. Our own astonishment and sense of awe is reflected through the eyes of the human characters. Since the story is written from a human perspective, it's a lot easier for people to accept the presence of these giant sentient robots in our world. If the movie was from the Transformers' POV like in the show, it would end up feeling too much like a cartoon. If they were going to do that, then Dreamworks might as well have just made the whole thing be CG animated by their animation division.

 

[bunk]

And all of the people in here calling Bay a hack will also be forking over money to see the sequel. Cracks me up.

 

[BlackLantern]

And all of the people in here calling Bay a hack will also be forking over money to see the sequel. Cracks me up.

or they will protest....I really do want to see a protest filled with fanboys in front of theaters showing GI Joe....all sweaty and indignant