Game of Thrones - HBO part 2

[mr. peasant]

I see. I was wondering if he liked him (or at least didn't hate/fear him) since he said "If we beheaded everyone who ran away for the night, only Ghost would guard the wall" (or maybe he said ghosts) and later said he needs Jon and Ghost when they go north of the wall.

Pretty sure he said 'ghosts'; as in if the Night's Watch killed off nighttime runaways instead of giving them a chance to return, there would be no one left.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Pretty sure he said 'ghosts'; as in if the Night's Watch killed off nighttime runaways instead of giving them a chance to return, there would be no one left.

That's what my DirecTV Closed Caption said (I have it on since the dialogue can be hard to hear sometimes). But when I rewatched the scene, I thought he might have said Ghost.

 

[El Bastardo]

Haha, reading through all these pages - it's fun to be on the outside, watching how the non-readers react and what they think.

 

[BlackLantern]

indeed

 

[camp Blood]

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i don't know what happened but hype messed up on me again!

i am sorry

 

[BlackLantern]

what in the hell is that? get that s*** out of here

 

[camp Blood]

same thing happened to me before when i tried posting something in the "THE KILLING" thread

 

[Poeman]

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i don't know what happened but hype messed up on me again!

i am sorry

You have ruined this thread

 

[El Bastardo]

One of the things I always loved about A Clash of Kings was The Misadventures of Arya and Gendry. And while my mind's eye never realized how much of a height difference there'd be between them, I whooped at seeing the two of them on-screen standing side-by-side.

It's like mini-Ned and mini-Robert.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I did find it slightly odd that they didn't show the Baratheon camp. But they're probably saving that for the second season.

 

[El Bastardo]

They'll introduce the Baratheon-Tyrell side of things when they introduce Brienne, I wager.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I'm assuming Tyrell is one of the other houses. They've been kind of vague on who makes up the 7 quasi-kingdoms.

 

[Buford The Sly]

I'm assuming Tyrell is one of the other houses. They've been kind of vague on who makes up the 7 quasi-kingdoms.

The main houses are Stark, Lanister, Tully, Ayrns, Baratheon, Tyrell, Martell. The Greyjoys could also be considered one as well. However their rebellion kind of knocked them down a peg before the events of this series.

 

[El Bastardo]

I'm assuming Tyrell is one of the other houses. They've been kind of vague on who makes up the 7 quasi-kingdoms.

Seven Kingdoms, proper.

And you know the only Tyrell who was in the series. Remember Loras Tyrell, effeminate dude who was chumming it with Renly?

 

[ChickenScratch]

I'm assuming Tyrell is one of the other houses. They've been kind of vague on who makes up the 7 quasi-kingdoms.

Yeah, so far we have seen Sir Loras "The Knight Of Flowers" Tyrell only.

No, they are not quasi-kingdoms, they are all full blown kingdoms and countries that are quite large with huge populations differing traditions, etc. It presents the same picture one would get if you could imagine all of Europe under one banner run from Southern Spain, or somewhere else strategic for trade on the Mediterranean.

As for the Baratheon side, Stannis, his daughter and The Onion Knight, all prominent members of Stannis' court have POV chapters in the second book so I guess the second season will introduce him proper.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Ah. Well, every series needs its Hufflepuff house.

Westeros seems pretty politically unstable.

Well, proper kingdoms (at least going by real world definition) are sovereign and have kings (or queens). From what I have read, they were once kingdoms.

It seems to mirror Germany and the German Empire.

 

[Watson]

New avvy <3

So, who do we want casted for next season?

Christopher Eccleston for Stannis!

 

[El Bastardo]

Wtf is a Hufflepuff House?

 

[El Bastardo]

And Westeros was not politically unstable at all. Not in the slightest. The Seven Kingdoms all paid homage to the King on the Iron Throne, who was a Targaryen for a very long stretch of time. Even the Dornish "fell in line," though their strongest display was when Elia was married to Rhaegar.

Things just kinda went to **** during Aerys's reign, which led to Rhaegar's death at the hands of Robert at the Trident (Rhaegar being someone who would have been a spectacular king by most accounts), Aerys's death at the hands of Kingsguard Jaime Lannister, and the ascension to the Iron Throne by Robert.

I guess there's some political instability as his rule goes on, but it's really only the kind of instability that lets the snakes get away with murder. Smallfolk are safe depending on region. The smallfolk of King's Landing are as safe as ever, for the most part - as are the smallfolk of the North, the Reach, the Stormlands, the West. Mostly it's just the smallfolk of the Riverlands getting ****ed.

 

[camp Blood]

I wonder if the fact that winter is coming will be a deciding factor in the war

That might end up favoring the Starks

 

[ChickenScratch]

Wtf is a Hufflepuff House?

I'm assuming it's a joke aimed at Sir Loras, maybe because he's the Knight Of Flowers and gay. But I could be reaching, because the Tyrells are a powerful (militarily and monetarily) house and there's just not enough information presented about them to make any judgment based upon a viewing experience.

 

[ChickenScratch]

And Westeros was not politically unstable at all. Not in the slightest. The Seven Kingdoms all paid homage to the King on the Iron Throne, who was a Targaryen for a very long stretch of time. Even the Dornish "fell in line," though their strongest display was when Elia was married to Rhaegar.

Things just kinda went to **** during Aerys's reign, which led to Rhaegar's death at the hands of Robert at the Trident (Rhaegar being someone who would have been a spectacular king by most accounts), Aerys's death at the hands of Kingsguard Jaime Lannister, and the ascension to the Iron Throne by Robert.

I guess there's some political instability as his rule goes on, but it's really only the kind of instability that lets the snakes get away with murder. Smallfolk are safe depending on region. The smallfolk of King's Landing are as safe as ever, for the most part - as are the smallfolk of the North, the Reach, the Stormlands, the West. Mostly it's just the smallfolk of the Riverlands getting ****ed.

Yeah, but the show picks up at a time of political instability. People who have not read the books don't know how well the union of the 7 Kingdoms worked. When winter comes, the North will be fine, but places like The Vale, The Riverlands, etc suffer. If Europe fell under a 25 year winter, the sunny ports in the Mediterranean start becoming more powerful trade centers that the whole continent would depend upon. It's political expedience and deference to whoever holds Kings Landing why the various kingdoms don't refer to their leaders as King anymore, they still are kings and rule their countries independently. Bending the knee to the iron throne means nothing to the smallfolk as it were, they think of themselves in terms of country (Winterfell, Dorn, Iron Islands, Braavos, etc) not who their king is.

 

[Marvolo]

Wtf is a Hufflepuff House?

In harry potter at hogwarts all students are sorted into 4 houses: Gryfindor, Slytherin, Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff. Gryfindor is for the brave and just, Slytherin is for the ambitious and those who will do anything for power, Ravenclaw is for the highly intellegent, and Hufflepuff is where the others go who dont really fit in the others. There is a lot more to it than that, but this isnt the thread for it.

 

[El Bastardo]

Even under Robert's rule, though, it's not that politically unstable. For a time after his death, okay, but that's going into spoilers for the non-readers, so I'll not tread much at all rather than tread carefully.

But even the War of the Five Kings has very little political instability, aside from, really, the Riverlands, which is the main hotspot of the Lannister-Stark conflict.

The reason it isn't very unstable is due in large part to Ned's "confession" of dishonesty before his death. It leaves the people following the "true" king, Joffrey. That there is a legitimate monarch well and on the throne with the proper backing of military might indicates they're fighting outlaws, not a political insurrection and instability.

And it's not like we'll see Winter before HBO decides it costs too much money to make the show and cancels it. :P Heck, we're only going to really possibly catch our first glimpse at Winter somewhere in A Dance with Dragons.

 

[Marvolo]

Even under Robert's rule, though, it's not that politically unstable. For a time after his death, okay, but that's going into spoilers for the non-readers, so I'll not tread much at all rather than tread carefully.

But even the War of the Five Kings has very little political instability, aside from, really, the Riverlands, which is the main hotspot of the Lannister-Stark conflict.

The reason it isn't very unstable is due in large part to Ned's "confession" of dishonesty before his death. It leaves the people following the "true" king, Joffrey. That there is a legitimate monarch well and on the throne with the proper backing of military might indicates they're fighting outlaws, not a political insurrection and instability.

And it's not like we'll see Winter before HBO decides it costs too much money to make the show and cancels it. :P Heck, we're only going to really possibly catch our first glimpse at Winter somewhere in A Dance with Dragons.

Yeah, its sad that winter may never be seen in this show. Im really curious tp see what they do if they decide to cancel down the road. GRRMs books arent the easiest to compress. They wont be able to do what they did with Romes final season and jump to the end.