Geeky Discussion 1: Star Wars vs Kingdom Hearts

[Won '08]

so...I was playing kingdom hearts two right? And near the end there is an enemy who somewhat resembles a Jedi...only based on the look of his weapons ofcourse.

So my friend made an offshot comment "Man...Jedi's would tear into these guys...."

And I instantly called him insane. Considering the characters in the KH universe are able to destroy light and darkness...create worlds using them, travel to different dimensions with their weapons...cast magic....zip around like DBZ characters......I felt hat statement was ab it hindered.

Reading the Star wars novels myself I understand hat a Jedi has the ability to reach a new height o power...even come back from the dead....but still..this isn't convincing enogh for me to say "hey...you can beat Sora and his mystical blade that can cut kyscrappers in half (seriously it can).


So..I'm curious...I'm not a star wars buf but I do know many of you are. So I'm wondering....with your knowledge of Star Wars and Jedi's...and your Knowledge of the character basis within Kingdom Hearts. Who do you think would win? Who do you think has the potential to be more powerful?

 

[Erzengel]

Dude I'd be able to help you but I know nothing about Kingdom Hearts except for the fact that it has Disney characters in it.

 

[DOG LIPS]

Dude I'd be able to help you but I know nothing about Kingdom Hearts except for the fact that it has Disney characters in it.

I saw one of those Tron guys in the commercial for it too.

 

[Won '08]

Dude I'd be able to help you but I know nothing about Kingdom Hearts except for the fact that it has Disney characters in it.

Ok let's take Sora (The Main Character) and place him in the spot light.

Sora has a sword called "The Keyblade" Which chose him to be the guardian of all worlds. The Keyblade allows him to travel through reality, jump from Dimension to dimension, and also empowers his heart with a bey o mystical skills.

The blade is unable to leave his hand permamently. Meaning if someonetakes it from him with the intent of keeping it from him, it will literally instaneously reappear within his grasp.

Uhmmmm. His magic is powerful enough to warp reality....he has the ability to use his power to shift his form into something....more powerful. He has four of these forms.

Valor....which enables him to usetwo key blades at once, at blazing speed and increased strength.

Wisdom. Which removes gravity from his form, allowing him to glide across the surface of -anything- while using his keyblades (two in this form as well) as guns, shooting bursts of pure magic from their tips.

Master. Which imbues Sorawith Godlike potential. He is almost untouchable in this form. His keyblades are no longer held, and float behind the backs of his hands while revolving. He has the ability to pull light and darkness into attacks within this form. His magic is increased. His speed is increased. The boy can break rules that shouldnt be broken.

Anti-Form. This is the form I know least about. During the game when you feel you're about to die, and you decide to choose one of the three forms above to shift into..sometimes...somethingdemonic comes out. In this form Sora's Keyblade is replaced with claws about his hands as he is enveloped within pure shadow. His speed is insane as he runs across the area like a ferral animal. Also, he can dip in and out of heshadows, appearing wherever he wishes..using "threads" of darkness to propell his attacks and keep him aloft within the air. Also increases his Dark based attacks.


My main argument yesterday was "Jedi's can't defeat a man who is able to destroy a world with his heart"

Thoughts?

 

[Erzengel]

Let me get my lightsaber and jedi robe.

Okay, all Jedis are in touch with the force, "an energy field created by all living things". The force is life, the life is force.

However this keyblade you speak off seems "mystical" in nature while lightsabers are more science in nature. Energy going through a crystal forming the blade.

Jedi and Sith(Darksiders) powers are different.

A Jedi uses his powers for knowledge and defense and never to "attack". From the movies, Jedi's have been known to use telekenisis, have increased speed and agility, telephathy/empathic skills, precognitive abilities and energy deflection/absorption.

A Sith can use the force to affixiate individuals, energy projection in the form of electricity, and the power to manipulate life and death.

In the comics, Luke Skywalker was able to bring down an AT-AT just by using the force.

Now that you have a lil background. I feel like such a geek btw. Based on just weapons the keyblade sounds more powerful than a mere lightsaber. However, I've never known anything to be able to "break" a lightsaber blade either. Also, a Jedi's abilities with tk make them formidable opponents.

But if this Sora can destroy a planet with his heart, it doesn't sound like one Jedi could defeat him.

Did I mention I feel like a geek?

 

[Mentok]

Tron world is the only good thing that has ever been in Kindom Hearts.

 

[MaskedManJRK]

In KH2, it features a lot of Mickey Mouse with the Keyblade kicking ass, correct?

The Jedi's wouldn't stand a chance against Mickey Mouse PERIOD, let alone with a Keyblade.

 

[Won '08]

Let me get my lightsaber and jedi robe.

Okay, all Jedis are in touch with the force, "an energy field created by all living things". The force is life, the life is force.

However this keyblade you speak off seems "mystical" in nature while lightsabers are more science in nature. Energy going through a crystal forming the blade.

Jedi and Sith(Darksiders) powers are different.

A Jedi uses his powers for knowledge and defense and never to "attack". From the movies, Jedi's have been known to use telekenisis, have increased speed and agility, telephathy/empathic skills, precognitive abilities and energy deflection/absorption.

A Sith can use the force to affixiate individuals, energy projection in the form of electricity, and the power to manipulate life and death.

In the comics, Luke Skywalker was able to bring down an AT-AT just by using the force.

Now that you have a lil background. I feel like such a geek btw. Based on just weapons the keyblade sounds more powerful than a mere lightsaber. However, I've never known anything to be able to "break" a lightsaber blade either. Also, a Jedi's abilities with tk make them formidable opponents.

But if this Sora can destroy a planet with his heart, it doesn't sound like one Jedi could defeat him.

Did I mention I feel like a geek?

lol Not at all. And thanks for the input. That allows me to expand moreo n Sora's abilities. When I say his heart can destroy a world, Let me go more indepth. he never actually had this happen, but it does have the potential to do so. At the end of the game, him and his best friend are Trapped in the world of Darkness. Unknowingly though, his heart created a door way to his home world. Also, in KH (The first) Events occur that help sustain the creation of a "mirror world"...which reflects anotherworld called "Twighlight Town".

Being that a light saber is energy in sustained flux ...do you think the keyblade....which cannot be broken by any physical means..or destroyed for that matter (it returns to the user's heart at will or when they are incapacitated) Let's focus on abilities rather than physical battle.

Could a master jedi or the most powerful take on something that is able to summon creatures from alternate realities?

 

[Won '08]

Tron world is the only good thing that has ever been in Kindom Hearts.

Mentok you disappoint me....but you're a green man sitting and floating in your underwear, so it's not that difficult to do so.

 

[Won '08]

In KH2, it features a lot of Mickey Mouse with the Keyblade kicking ass, correct?

The Jedi's wouldn't stand a chance against Mickey Mouse PERIOD, let alone with a Keyblade.

Mickey is more than just a Keyblade user. He's the Yoda of this game. He knows almost everything and is unstoppable in terms of sword play. His power hasn't been really detailed though.

 

[Erzengel]

Could a master jedi or the most powerful take on something that is able to summon creatures from alternate realities?

Or against a master jedi summoning other jedis or a darksider summoning the might of the Imperial Army?

It's hard to do an accurate comparison while Star Wars is fantasy there are definite rules and boundaries that have been given. Kingdom Hearts sounds like the main character has abilities that allow him to travel to different realties in essence bending reality to his will.

If he ever appeared in Star Wars reality what are the chances of him being blindsided and force choked over a great distance?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Vader would Force-F*** Mickey!

 

[Erzengel]

He heh.

Golly.

Oh my.

Pluto help me.

LOL.

 

[Red]

Depends which Jedi are we talking about?

 

[Indiglo]

"If You're Blood, Then you have to throw it up."

 

[Darthphere]

Vader would Force-F*** Mickey!

Ha-ha. I remember someone saying that once and getting lots of laughs.

 

[Red]

Edit.

 

[Darthphere]

Are we seriously having this discussion though?

 

[Won '08]

Or against a master jedi summoning other jedis or a darksider summoning the might of the Imperial Army?

It's hard to do an accurate comparison while Star Wars is fantasy there are definite rules and boundaries that have been given. Kingdom Hearts sounds like the main character has abilities that allow him to travel to different realties in essence bending reality to his will.

If he ever appeared in Star Wars reality what are the chances of him being blindsided and force choked over a great distance?

Exactly my point. Sora is bound only by his imagination it seems as you get deeper and deepr into the game. Here's a discussion i had on aim with my friend who is also a Star Wars godlike reader man person.

Shyair108: ok. Debate here.
ShisouKen: Commence opening statements
Shyair108: Geek Case, File number 000108 Part 1 , Shyair vs 108 Dragon Mr. Whitehurst AKA Nightstalker.
Shyair108: Shyair vs 108 minor Paul
Shyair108: Shyair vs 108 minor Donald .
ShisouKen: Oh boy
Shyair108: This is in response from claims to both parties involving characters within the Kingdom Hearts universe and the Star wars universe
ShisouKen: I am an expert in both realms
Shyair108: This is why I come to you
Shyair108: From your teachings within summer of 02
Shyair108: my knowledge of the Star Wars universe has expanded greatly
Shyair108: but not enough to hold cohesion against KH
Shyair108: so I ask you
ShisouKen: If this is about Keyblade vs. Lightsaber...
Shyair108: Not even i already know a Keyblade would rip apart a Lightsabers beam cohesion
Shyair108: i mean
Shyair108: cmon now
Shyair108: It's more along the lines of
Shyair108: weather an all powerful Jedi
Shyair108: or Darksider
Shyair108: take your pick
Shyair108: would be able to defeat the guys in the KH realm
Shyair108: now there are alot of "Guys"
Shyair108: but let's stick with Keybladers.
Shyair108: i dont want to ruin the game for you
Shyair108: so when you end it then ill ask again
Shyair108: but for now
Shyair108: lets jsut stick with the keyblade holders
ShisouKen: Sora
Shyair108: Sora. Kairi, Mickey, annnnd i would say Roxas but...he's well i dunno how far you got
Shyair108: not Kairi
Shyair108: Riku
ShisouKen: I know Roxas is teh guy on the cover
ShisouKen: That's about it
Shyair108: damn then im definitely not getting deeper into it
ShisouKen: But Keyblader vs. Jedi....I dunno...Keybladers can summon, Jedi can control your mind
ShisouKen: Then again, not all people are weak enough to catch the mind tricks
Shyair108: that was my first thought
Shyair108: i was like "ok maybe they can just make him not return the keyblade to his hand and grab it from him"
Shyair108: then i was like "wait..it's sora...the guy whose heart instinctively saves lives....."
ShisouKen: Which would include his own...
Shyair108: but these bastards over here all like a Jedi (most powerful) would whoop them out
Shyair108: i call insanity
ShisouKen: Force Lightning?
Shyair108: Thundaga
Shyair108: lol
ShisouKen: Force Push?
Shyair108: Air Recovery. Snipe Shot (not ruining anything for you but its a reaction command that allows sora to "Zanzoken" )
ShisouKen: Wel...I mean...Sora can't beat Luke, and could'nt beat Yoda if he was still alive
ShisouKen: He might be able to take Obi...
Shyair108: Interesting.
Shyair108: Based on physical abilities or otherwise?
ShisouKen: Period...Yoda was as far as you got as a Jedi back in the day. And Luke is as far as you get now...I'm not even gonna bring Han Solo's kids into this
Shyair108: Truth be told
Shyair108: Ok Sora is stomped.
Shyair108: What of the King?
ShisouKen: Mickey?
Shyair108: We can only assume he doesnt even use half of his ability in this game
Shyair108: ofcourse
ShisouKen: You're asking me...
ShisouKen: If Mickey Mouse...can beat Yoda?
Shyair108: lol
Shyair108: Its not just
Shyair108: mickey mouse
Shyair108: It's King Mickey. Holder of the Keyblade
Shyair108: Master of All that is in the World of KH
ShisouKen: Don't forget King of DisneyWorld and Land...
ShisouKen: Man...what have ya'll smoked to make these questions come up
ShisouKen: Well...Yoda IS Yoda. Mickey is just magical...
ShisouKen: Magic vs. The Force
Shyair108: JUST?
Shyair108: Cmon now Ken
ShisouKen: But magic is all part of the Force...
Shyair108: Force emits itself from Life and Existence
Shyair108: Magic breaks those rules
Shyair108: Magic is bound by imagination
Shyair108: Force is bound by....uh...o_o all things that are living and such
ShisouKen: I gotta skate to class but it's pointless cause I'll be thinkin about this ****...be back in like 30 or so
ShisouKen is away at 10:30:26 AM.
Shyair108: lol

 

[Indiglo]

You're one hell of a nerdy gangsta shyair.

 

[Won '08]

You're one hell of a nerdy gangsta shyair.

Tupac played Dungeons and Dragons. Your point?

 

[Indiglo]

You're no tupac

 

[ShadowBoxing]

What the f--- is kingdom hearts

 

[Darthphere]

What the f--- is kingdom hearts

Some game where some anime looking kid fights evil with Mickey and random Disney related characters with a huge key.

 

[Indiglo]

What the f--- is kingdom hearts

Sex.