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Does anyone here live down south? I can't stand the guys who buy these ridiculously huge trucks just to ride around in. If you need it for your job that's one thing but if it's your daily driver than you're killing america.
 
Shouldn't how the car runs be more important than how it looks? That's why were in this mess. American would rather have a gas guzzlin' mustang than an eco-friendly car that looks like a shoe.

A good car should have both, imo.
 
Good because SUVs are ugly.

And I hate when people say, "Oh gosh. I just feel so safe in my suv...". Why can't they just become better drivers?
I drove behind a Hummer a few times last weekend, and it was hilarious to me since my car design instructor described to us what driving a Hummer H1 was like. Apparently it takes forever to accelerate and only achieves like, 45 mph. And when it stops, you get lots of back-and-forth movement in the cabin before it finally stops. :lmao:

Given, a lot of sports cars don't get great mileage either, but at least buyers of sports cars didn't get tax breaks for buying something that could have been considered a truck. :oldrazz:
 
This vehicle, the Ford Model U, was designed by chemist Michael Braungart and architect William McDonough, who wrote the book "Cradle to Cradle: Remaking the Way we Build Things," in 2003:

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It is a compact, sports-like vehicle which runs on hydrogen. It is also built from biodegradable materials which, once removed separately from the vehicle, can be recycled and re-used. It would be a costly endeavor to produce; however, it has the potential to revolutionize the automobile industry.

So, the question is: WHY THE **** HASN'T FORD BUILT AND RELEASED THIS VEHICLE YET?

They have had this design on tap for YEARS now, and hydrogen fuel cells are considered the "wave of the future." Honda already has a fuel cell vehicle in production, and has been released in two target states-- California and New York. Even if they replaced the fuel cell with a hybrid gas-electric model, the Model U could still be released without any major design changes.

It truly baffles me... companies such as Ford complain about how they're going under and how they JUST cannot COMPETE with foreign automobile manufacturers... yet they have numerous designs and plans for the future they could make a reality at ANY moment, but they have been too busy reaping the profits from hulking gas guzzlers to really see where the market is going...

This is a fundamental reason why the automobile industry does not deserve a bailout. They have concept divisions and have hired world renowned designers to lead them into the future... but they have been too busy sitting on their asses to actually move forward on many of these plans...
 
The auto industry doesn't desreve a bailout but the middle and lowerclass people who will lose they're jobs do.
 
The auto industry doesn't desreve a bailout but the middle and lowerclass people who will lose they're jobs do.

They'll find new jobs. This is about principle-- my money should not go to bailing out industries which have had opportunity upon opportunity to fix themselves, but couldn't because they were too worried about reaping a profit rather than looking towards the future.

We have a rising national debt in the tens of trillions of dollars, yet they want us to bail them out because they don't know how to successfully run a business? Sorry, but the automobile industry has been through worse and they have survived; now is not the time to transform our country in a corporate welfare state.

Plus, if we give them this money, what's to say that these companies won't turn around and continue to do the same sort of crap which has caused them to go under in the first place? If we give them $100 billion, and they fail, then our money went to NOTHING. And, on top of this, I highly doubt that $100 billion will be enough in the short term to prevent the industry from going under.

If GM, Ford and Chrysler are going to go under-- let them. They don't deserve to sleep soundly on a bed full of our tax dollars while they continue to screw up.
 
Yeah sure. They can get new jobs at Circuit City.

Don't get me wrong. There has got to be stipulations. We have to make sure Ford puts all its stock in hybrid cars and is spending the money properly. A staff should be appointed to make sure they do. I'm not saying we should throw money at them.
 
My father-in-law was a supporter of the bail out of them....he has rethought it out, and says we shouldn't....he was a CFO of a company years ago...
 
Does anyone here live down south? I can't stand the guys who buy these ridiculously huge trucks just to ride around in. If you need it for your job that's one thing but if it's your daily driver than you're killing america.

I live in Houston.

Its how they want to drive...what can I say.
 
Good because SUVs are ugly.

And I hate when people say, "Oh gosh. I just feel so safe in my suv...". Why can't they just become better drivers?
One of the problems of being a motorcyclist nowadays is.... even if you are great at it, big car and suv drivers more than compensate it. BMW asian drivers are next on the list. :cmad:
 
I live in Houston.

Its how they want to drive...what can I say.

I see in all the time here in Bama'. It's pathetic.

That's why if there is a bailout production of those type of trucks should be reduced. I even thought maybe a law should be passed requiring those who drive a certain size truck for work puposes show proof, otherwise be fined.
 
I see in all the time here in Bama'. It's pathetic.

That's why if there is a bailout production of those type of trucks should be reduced. I even thought maybe a law should be passed requiring those who drive a certain size truck for work puposes show proof, otherwise be fined.

Yeah, maybe we should also control the books people read, the food they eat, their place of employment, heck why not even control their thoughts and emotions while we are at it!
 
Yeah, maybe we should also control the books people read, the food they eat, their place of employment, heck why not even control their thoughts and emotions while we are at it!
We are already controling their Thoughts and Emotions with "hate crimes" and "Political Correctness". Sorry, but a Crime is a Crime, a Hate Crime is Thought Crime.

Which, leads to CrimeThink...Hopefully someone gets it.
 
I see in all the time here in Bama'. It's pathetic.

That's why if there is a bailout production of those type of trucks should be reduced. I even thought maybe a law should be passed requiring those who drive a certain size truck for work puposes show proof, otherwise be fined.

That is regulation of free activity...no
 
Fine. If people want to buy oversized trucks with oversized wheels for no reason other than driving up and down the god**** strip then let em'.
 
Well it needs to be stopped someway. We have to stop our dependence on foreign oil amd reduce air pollution and these good ol' boys ain't helping.
 
The Voting Is Far From Over
by Neal Boortz

You might think that the election is over -- has been for two weeks now. Not so. There’s another election tomorrow; and then one the day after tomorrow followed by yet another one. Every day is Election Day in America. Every day we cast ballots. Every day when the tens of millions of ballots are added up we find winners and losers. And you’re right in the thick of it. Yeah … you.

This crucial election process is running 24/7 as American consumers cast votes with paper ballots adorned with pictures of presidents. The more votes you get, the longer you get to stay in business. The votes dry up and it’s time to go home or come up with another candidate.

I know I’m a bit obtuse here, so if you haven’t figured it out yet, I’m edging up to a little discussion of this idea of bailing out the automobile manufacturers. Now first, let’s get this little fact out of the way. What the political types in Washington are discussing right now is not really a bailout of the automakers. It’s a bailout of the United Auto Workers. It’s a union bailout. It’s payback for the millions of dollars and thousands of hours union volunteers have poured into (almost exclusively Democrat) political campaigns. These politicians are trying to save union jobs at the current inflated rate .. nothing less.

Just why are these U.S. auto makers in trouble? They’re on the ropes because they’ve been losing elections. Automobile buyers have been casting their ballots for the other candidates. They looked at the field, talked to their friends, watched endless campaign (car) commercials on television, and voted. They voted for Toyota and Honda. If they had a pant-full of ballots to cast the vote went to Jaguar, Mercedes and Lexus. True, some voters liked the Big-Three candidates, but not enough. The buyers cast their votes for performance, styling, warranties and value. Somehow they intuitively knew that they would get more value from a manufacturer paying $40 per hour for labor than from one spending almost twice that much. When one automaker spends $17 million on Viagra to enhance worker rather than product performance the product suffers, and the votes go across the aisle.

Comes now the bailout. It would seem that the political class in Washington is not happy with the way you are casting your votes. You’re exercising a little too much independence here. Those foreign automakers building wonderful cars in non-union Southern states are doing just fine, thanks to your votes. Those tired automakers building some wonderful cars and trucks – but a lot of junk as well – in the upper Midwest with overpaid union labor are suffering. They’re paying 12,000 former union employees to sit on their cans and do crossword puzzles all day long while being paid $31 per hour. Oh come on, you’ve heard of theJobs Bank program, haven’t you? Do you want to pay for that nonsense? Of course you don’t, and you let them know it when you cast your consumer votes.

Well, what happens when the politicians in Washington aren’t happy with the way you’re casting your economic ballots? It’s very simple, really. They just use the police power of government to take those ballots away and cast them for you; cast them the way they think you should. You might want to vote for BMW or Honda. They know better. Your vote should go to Chevy or a Ford.

Through this wonderful economic process the world’s consumers pick the winners and losers. They base their choices not on political considerations, but on quality and value. When consumers cast their monetary ballots they’re not trying to preserve union jobs or please campaign contributors. They have no political axe to grind. They just want honest value .. and $1600 worth of union health costs, paying people not to work and inflated pay for those who do plowed into the price of every car doesn’t fit the bill.

Now, with the impending $25 billion-plus bailout of these union engorged automakers the choice will be taken away from the consumers. Now the ballots will be cast based on politics. The automakers will be told to build the cars the politicians want, not the cars consumers will buy. Billions of taxpayer money will be poured down what could be one of the most expensive rat holes in history .. only to delay what may be the inevitable.

Just hold on my friends. This may just be the beginning. In about nine weeks we’ll have a president who has shown no love whatsoever for capitalism; a president who truly believes that America is great not because of the dynamic of a free people interacting with one another in a free, market-based economy … but who believes that America is great because of government.

The historians will let future generations know how that worked out for us.
 
Well it needs to be stopped someway. We have to stop our dependence on foreign oil amd reduce air pollution and these good ol' boys ain't helping.

Yeah I would agree....
But its a choice for them to make
 
Yeah, I don't see the connection Boortz is making. The only thing I agree is that the foreign car makers are building the cars the majority of the consumers want and GM isn't. That's it.
 
Yeah, I don't see the connection Boortz is making. The only thing I agree is that the foreign car makers are building the cars the majority of the consumers want and GM isn't. That's it.
That's pretty much what he is saying. When we spend money, it's called the Dollar Vote. We use our dollars to "elect" the winner. The American People is not "voting for" the Big Three.
 
That's pretty much what he is saying. When we spend money, it's called the Dollar Vote. We use our dollars to "elect" the winner. The American People is not "voting for" the Big Three.

And aside from a fringe group of people that won't buy anything made from a union, the majority of the public really don't care if this company has a union or that other company doesn't. The union angle just seemed forced, like an obligatory union rant to appease my readers and fill out my word count moment
 
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