General Motors

[dnno1]

i might pay for dinner but i do not pay for the company of woman.

to each there own...

You may not want to think of it that way, but in actuality if you pay for her dinner and yours and for the movie or outing, you basically paid for the date. I knew some guys who refused to pay for a date because they felt that women should pay for them. They called themselves Hustlers and Gigolos. I am sure you are neither of these, but your rationale is pointing to that. I think you need to re-clarify what you meant.

 

[deathfromabove]

You may not want to think of it that way, but in actuality if you pay for her dinner and yours and for the movie or outing, you basically paid for the date. I knew some guys who refused to pay for a date because they felt that women should pay for them. They called themselves Hustlers and Gigolos. I am sure you are neither of these, but your rationale is pointing to that. I think you need to re-clarify what you meant.

you want clarification? i think the difference between paying on a date and paying for a date is pretty obvious but since you are having trouble...

i dont dont pay women to **** me or to spend time with me. i dont procure hookers, call girls, or escorts.

got it?

christ almighty...

 

[Anita18]

When did the GM thread turn into the dating protocol thread?

Was at the LA Auto Show yesterday, mostly looking at cool cars. Didn't care about hybrids or engines or whatnot, just looking for anything visually cool. Since I am taking that car design class and all.

Noted that the Ford and GM sections were kind of lonely. Mini, Smart, Honda, and Toyota were dang crowded. In terms of the pricey cars, Lambo trumped Aston Martin and Ferrari. You had to pay like, $10 or something to get close to them, because those sections were roped off and you could only admire from afar. Kind of like a museum.

 

[Bill]

When did the GM thread turn into the dating protocol thread?

Was at the LA Auto Show yesterday, mostly looking at cool cars. Didn't care about hybrids or engines or whatnot, just looking for anything visually cool. Since I am taking that car design class and all.

Noted that the Ford and GM sections were kind of lonely. Mini, Smart, Honda, and Toyota were dang crowded. In terms of the pricey cars, Lambo trumped Aston Martin and Ferrari. You had to pay like, $10 or something to get close to them, because those sections were roped off and you could only admire from afar. Kind of like a museum.

You know, if the big three would have actually made some of the cool cars at these shows for the past 10-15 years, they might not be in such bad shape.

I've been waiting for a Jeep Willy's for years and all we got was that insipid Compass.

 

[Holiday]

When did the GM thread turn into the dating protocol thread?

Was at the LA Auto Show yesterday, mostly looking at cool cars. Didn't care about hybrids or engines or whatnot, just looking for anything visually cool. Since I am taking that car design class and all.

Noted that the Ford and GM sections were kind of lonely. Mini, Smart, Honda, and Toyota were dang crowded. In terms of the pricey cars, Lambo trumped Aston Martin and Ferrari. You had to pay like, $10 or something to get close to them, because those sections were roped off and you could only admire from afar. Kind of like a museum.

The one guy mentioned buying an escort and it all went downhill...

What were Chevy's new cars? I haven't seen any new designs in awhile... They should bring back the Nova in some form... after they, you lnow, get out of financial hell!

 

[Paradoxium]

Was at the LA Auto Show yesterday, mostly looking at cool cars. Didn't care about hybrids or engines or whatnot, just looking for anything visually cool. Since I am taking that car design class and all.

Noted that the Ford and GM sections were kind of lonely. Mini, Smart, Honda, and Toyota were dang crowded. In terms of the pricey cars, Lambo trumped Aston Martin and Ferrari. You had to pay like, $10 or something to get close to them, because those sections were roped off and you could only admire from afar. Kind of like a museum.

What no love for the Mustang GT by the crowds?

Interesting, car designer huh? Any particular favorites?

Me I loves Audi general and the Citroen GT hot damn :heart: !!!

http://jalopnik.com/5057912/citron-...nt-venture-concept-with-gran-turismo-creators

 

[Anita18]

The one guy mentioned buying an escort and it all went downhill...

What were Chevy's new cars? I haven't seen any new designs in awhile... They should bring back the Nova in some form... after they, you lnow, get out of financial hell!

I liked the new Corvettes, even though I overheard some people say they were ugly. Hey, at least they have some personality. Didn't notice anything particularly noteworthy otherwise. Still have to go through my photos.

At least Chevy had some sedans and smaller cars up on display. Ford and GM were still populated by lots of ugly SUVs. Hybrid SUVs, but SUVs nonetheless. I remember being particularly disgusted by the Mercedes Benz SUVs, for some reason. I guess I was surprised they were so ugly for being a Benz.

Hyundai had the oddest-looking concept car called the iMode. It was like someone took a nutty concept straight off the paper and made it 3-D and car-sized. Photos off Google image search: http://images.google.com/images?um=...num=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=hyundai+i+mode&spell=1

What no love for the Mustang GT by the crowds?

Interesting, car designer huh? Any particular favorites?

Me I loves Audi general and the Citroen GT hot damn :heart: !!!

http://jalopnik.com/5057912/citron-...nt-venture-concept-with-gran-turismo-creators

Hmm, don't remember seeing that, although it reminds me of the random concept car sponsored by the art school, with the crazy panels and all. I missed the hall with Lotus and Spyker and...other brands I'd never heard of.

In terms of just visual design, I think I go for the Aston Martins. The DB9 is such a gorgeous car in terms of overall shape. Lamborghinis are beautiful as well, but they're too ostentatious for my liking. You can see that monster 10 miles away.

 

[chaseter]

This is not the airlines where people will go back and fly with an air carrier after bankruptcy. This is the auto industry, where if a company there goes bankrupt, people will not buy their cars for fear of not being able to get spare parts or warranted service. In addition, if you watched the video clip, there are no financial markets for them to get capital during their bankruptcy period, so it would definitely mean the death of these companies. I think the better solution is to help them out until later next year when they are able to get loans and they should be able to take care of themselves after that.

This is what the democrats will do but it is pointless. Putting money into a severely bleeding market will not heal the wound. You either let it die or you restructure it to make it survive. Putting money into GM while foreign companies are actually advancing in the market and Ford amongst others are still doing alright will not salvage GM. It was funny when someone posted that the CEO's wouldn't give up their jets to save their company and it was also funny that someone mentioned GM giving away millions of dollars in scholarships on NCAA gamedays is hilarious.

 

[dnno1]

This is what the democrats will do but it is pointless. Putting money into a severely bleeding market will not heal the wound. You either let it die or you restructure it to make it survive. Putting money into GM while foreign companies are actually advancing in the market and Ford amongst others are still doing alright will not salvage GM. It was funny when someone posted that the CEO's wouldn't give up their jets to save their company and it was also funny that someone mentioned GM giving away millions of dollars in scholarships on NCAA gamedays is hilarious.

That would only compound the problem and is irrational. If we let the U.S. automobile industry die you would basically punish this country through the loss of millions of jobs and more than likely damage economies around the world. The truth of the matter is that other developed nations are bailing out their industries because that is the right thing to do. The only people who are talking about letting companies fail are conservatives who whose alterior motive is to destroy unions (who are not to blame for this) and fail to see the bigger picture here. Allowing an industry such as this to fail is inane and irresposible. This is not going to happen. Restructuring can be done, yes, but there dose not have to be a bankruptcy involved in this case.

 

[Addendum]

I'm not a conservative and I don't want to see GM receive a bailout. They have done nothing to merit any rescue. They were the ones that weren't able to see the big picture. They were the ones that spent more money that they were drawing in. While other car makers were focusing on cars with better gas mileage and looking into other forms of fuel, they were relying on gas guzzling SUVs to draw in the money. The other car makers won, GM, Ford and Chrysler failed. Why should failure be rewarded? Why should they be given money when they have yet to show any willingness to change?

 

[Paradoxium]

Hmm, don't remember seeing that, although it reminds me of the random concept car sponsored by the art school, with the crazy panels and all. I missed the hall with Lotus and Spyker and...other brands I'd never heard of.

In terms of just visual design, I think I go for the Aston Martins. The DB9 is such a gorgeous car in terms of overall shape. Lamborghinis are beautiful as well, but they're too ostentatious for my liking. You can see that monster 10 miles away.

"too ostentatious" ? Dude, you more or less described every high end car. All this is eye candy, I wouldn't touch any of these cars even if I was a multimillionaire. t:

And post up some of your designs!

 

[Marx]

What no love for the Mustang GT by the crowds?

Interesting, car designer huh? Any particular favorites?

Me I loves Audi general and the Citroen GT hot damn :heart: !!!

http://jalopnik.com/5057912/citron-...nt-venture-concept-with-gran-turismo-creators

Holy ****! That's a nice car!

 

[Anita18]

"too ostentatious" ? Dude, you more or less described every high end car. All this is eye candy, I wouldn't touch any of these cars even if I was a multimillionaire. t:

And post up some of your designs!

Dude, I'm in the class mostly because I was interested in product design, although I'm proving rather uncreative in both fronts. Useful yes, creative, no. (Hey, I'm a scientist, I think rationally...) I knew crap about cars going in, and I've improved to the point where I can identify most car brands by sight. Actually being able to draw a good car is still some time away.

Well, what I mean is a Lamborghini is super "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AWESOME." There's absolutely no other car that looks like it. I could even identify one before I walked into the car class, and I couldn't identify a Porsche! (I don't really like the overall Porsche shape after all..)

 

[Motown Marvel]

Noted that the Ford and GM sections were kind of lonely. Mini, Smart, Honda, and Toyota were dang crowded. In terms of the pricey cars, Lambo trumped Aston Martin and Ferrari. You had to pay like, $10 or something to get close to them, because those sections were roped off and you could only admire from afar. Kind of like a museum.

GM and ford usually reserve their unveilings for the detroit auto show, i believe.

 

[chaseter]

That would only compound the problem and is irrational. If we let the U.S. automobile industry die you would basically punish this country through the loss of millions of jobs and more than likely damage economies around the world. The truth of the matter is that other developed nations are bailing out their industries because that is the right thing to do. The only people who are talking about letting companies fail are conservatives who whose alterior motive is to destroy unions (who are not to blame for this) and fail to see the bigger picture here. Allowing an industry such as this to fail is inane and irresposible. This is not going to happen. Restructuring can be done, yes, but there dose not have to be a bankruptcy involved in this case.

This made me lolt: Getting to that point with bad business is irresponsible. Allowing one auto company to either get in shape or die is not going to destroy unions...WTF If people keep handing out money in a bailout then a)people will just keep asking for it and b)it will not solve the situation. The bailout was designed for the housing market and it hasn't even succeeded so doing the same thing with the auto makers won't do ****. Giving them money isn't going to help them sell more cars??? Are you serious? It will just delay the innevitable.

 

[Paradyme]

I think the fact that he was there at the congressional hearings and the fact that he wants to do something to help the economy is more than enough proof that he is responsible. Sitting there and not doing anything would have been not responsible. The current financial crisis happed because of bad loans that commercial and investment banks made to people who were not able to repay them. This pushed up housing prices and was further ratcheted up by speculators. All, of this took place over the past 10 years or more. Barney frank became Chairman of the Financial Services Committee since early last year. That's your choice if you don't want to listen to him, but I don't see how you could blame him for this. As for your last question about where the money will be coming from, I am sure you already know. A lot if it will be coming from foreign investment's as well as taxpayer dollars.

He is partially to blame. Him and two other gentlemen. At least the other two took responsibility for it. Lets just say I'm not going to listen to him because I don't feel he has mine or the American people's best interests at heart.

Another thing that irritates me is that it seems that politicians as of recently have no imagination as far as fixing the economy. Bush proposed a stimulus package. Democrats were against it. Now democrats are for it. So, what are they doing? They are issuing more stimulus packages at the taxpayers expense. We can only borrow so much money from foreign investments. Didn't China already cut us off? They are also along with some Republicans are continually bailing out these industries. I understand it's a chicken and egg situation where without helping them we won't be helping ourselves but where is the American peoples relief?

Obama said he wasn't going to raise taxes. Well at this rate he'll have to choice but to let the Bush tax cuts go and possibly raise our taxes more. Otherwise our national debt will not go away for sometime.

Needless to say I'm dissappointed in Washington's ability to do anything and their lack of creativity. I'm also dissappointed that Mr. Obama promised change or restructing of Washington and what we appear to be receiving is another Clinton administration.

 

[Paradoxium]

Dude, I'm in the class mostly because I was interested in product design, although I'm proving rather uncreative in both fronts. Useful yes, creative, no. (Hey, I'm a scientist, I think rationally...) I knew crap about cars going in, and I've improved to the point where I can identify most car brands by sight. Actually being able to draw a good car is still some time away.

Well, what I mean is a Lamborghini is super "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M AWESOME." There's absolutely no other car that looks like it. I could even identify one before I walked into the car class, and I couldn't identify a Porsche! (I don't really like the overall Porsche shape after all..)

Are you implying creative types are irrational?

 

[Anita18]

Are you implying creative types are irrational?

More often than not, they sacrifice utility for coolness.

I'd rather be creative in the actual use of something, not just for the sake of making things look cool.

I'm pretty creative, at least artistically, and I can be pretty irrational.

 

[Handsome Rob]

That would only compound the problem and is irrational. If we let the U.S. automobile industry die you would basically punish this country through the loss of millions of jobs and more than likely damage economies around the world. The truth of the matter is that other developed nations are bailing out their industries because that is the right thing to do. The only people who are talking about letting companies fail are conservatives who whose alterior motive is to destroy unions (who are not to blame for this) and fail to see the bigger picture here. Allowing an industry such as this to fail is inane and irresposible. This is not going to happen. Restructuring can be done, yes, but there dose not have to be a bankruptcy involved in this case.

Because the banking and financial industries are filled with unions?

This conservative opposes bailouts--period. I don't care what industry, what company, or which political party they or their employees contribute money or support to. Businesses should be allowed to fail, not to be rewarded for bad business practices.

 

[BlackLantern]

What no love for the Mustang GT by the crowds?

Interesting, car designer huh? Any particular favorites?

Me I loves Audi general and the Citroen GT hot damn :heart: !!!

http://jalopnik.com/5057912/citron-...nt-venture-concept-with-gran-turismo-creators

Looks like a toaster oven had sex with an electric razor

 

[The Senator]

That would only compound the problem and is irrational. If we let the U.S. automobile industry die you would basically punish this country through the loss of millions of jobs and more than likely damage economies around the world. The truth of the matter is that other developed nations are bailing out their industries because that is the right thing to do. The only people who are talking about letting companies fail are conservatives who whose alterior motive is to destroy unions (who are not to blame for this) and fail to see the bigger picture here. Allowing an industry such as this to fail is inane and irresposible. This is not going to happen. Restructuring can be done, yes, but there dose not have to be a bankruptcy involved in this case.

I'm not a conservative and I believe these companies should fail because there is no reason whatsoever for the government to pour hundreds of billions of dollars into companies which have yet to unveil anything innovative or energy efficient while foreign manufacturers have set the bar on that note. These companies need to consider investing in intelligent, long-term business practices rather than focus on how much money they can make NOW. The reason why GM, Ford and Chrysler are going under is because they relied too heavily on outdated business models which proved profitable at the time, and were blindsided by the high demand for hybrid vehicles and compact cars. But what's funny on that end is that the demand for those vehicles has been growing for three years, and neither company seems to have taken the initiative to produce high-quality, reliable, energy-efficient and affordable vehicles while companies such as Toyota and Honda met all of that criteria when they introduced their first generation Prius, Yaris, Fit, etc. models.

Unions are honestly a secondary concern, as is the employment of the people who work for the automobile industry. The fact of the matter is, we as a nation cannot afford to pour billions of dollars into a dying industry when there is no guarantee that money will actually revitalize the domestic automobile industry.

 

[BlackLantern]

The unions are to blame because they have driven labor costs through the roof and have engendered a climate of mediocrity among its members...

 

[Paradoxium]

Ooooooooh Noezzz itz teh Reightwingz

theys teh oppressing ppls!!!!1111oneone!oneon111!!

 

[Backdrifter]

Part 1:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLq9B5_iFCo[/YT]
Part 2:
[YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-qQDG0ChAY[/YT]

 

[The Senator]

Anyone know how much the Chevy Volt will cost when it is debuted?

$39,000.

That's right-- $39,000.

A Toyota Prius costs $25k, and a Honda Civic Hybrid costs $30k. Oh, and Honda will release the second-generation Insight Hybrid in two years which will cost $19k, and is expected to release a hybrid version of its FIT compact car which will cost less than $20k.

And yet... people still think we should bailout GM...