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but its not OK.....at all...GM dealerships are closing all over the country, some dealers are dropping GM on their own

I will never buy anything from that company......EVER
Neither will I. Unions ran that company into the ground and our president supports those unions as is. He tells the company to restructure instead of telling the unions to restructure. I will never buy a vehicle from that company and especially since it is now government ran.
 
I hope so.

I wonder what this means for GM's Hydrogen powered cars. They were hoping to hit the market strong in 2011 or 2012, with the Government pulling its funding for hydrogen and pushing for electric, are they going to abandon that strategy?

I was wondering the same thing. I noticed they showed up in the commercial (that Marx met with such derision:woot:)
 
Neither will I. Unions ran that company into the ground and our president supports those unions as is. He tells the company to restructure instead of telling the unions to restructure. I will never buy a vehicle from that company and especially since it is now government ran.

You can't blame the unions for this one. GM has plenty of fault on its own. Did their obligation to the unions contribute? Surely. But there's plenty 'o blame to go around on others as well.
 
I know that it is a lot of people's faults but the way Obama handled this was baffling to me. He gave money to their pension, not to keep GM running. Instead of making the unions restructure to keep the company running, he told the company to restructure around the unions. I think the average person in Detroit was making nearly $80 an hour to put their part on a car in the line and in the South it was near $50. That is ridiculous.
 
The Unions at some point are going to have to restructure or we will be back here having this discussion in the future....
 
I know that it is a lot of people's faults but the way Obama handled this was baffling to me. He gave money to their pension, not to keep GM running. Instead of making the unions restructure to keep the company running, he told the company to restructure around the unions. I think the average person in Detroit was making nearly $80 an hour to put their part on a car in the line and in the South it was near $50. That is ridiculous.

And not true.

The average pay was around $28 dollars. That number was found in GM's 2007 Annual Report. To get that "nearly $80 an hour", you would have to add what GM paid for costs, labor, and health and then divide that number by the total number of hours worked.
 
I know that it is a lot of people's faults but the way Obama handled this was baffling to me. He gave money to their pension, not to keep GM running. Instead of making the unions restructure to keep the company running, he told the company to restructure around the unions. I think the average person in Detroit was making nearly $80 an hour to put their part on a car in the line and in the South it was near $50. That is ridiculous.

And not true.

The average pay was around $28 dollars. That number was found in GM's 2007 Annual Report. To get that "nearly $80 an hour", you would have to add what GM paid for costs, labor, and health and then divide that number by the total number of hours worked.


http://mediamatters.org/research/200812060002
 
If the government actually knew how to run the company or could find someone who knew how to, this said person would be too busy doing this to be in government in first place. :funny:

The first hint of fail is the huge assumption made here that green friendly cars actually will sell well as a central business model. I can't wait when reality gives a big kick in the nuts of the Gaian-Fundamentalists.
 
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The operating cost is 80 per, but actual salary is 28. With some of the Japanese car makers they pay more per salary but with none of the perks, and frankly I think this is a better model. It encourages people to be more conservative with their money and invest it better. If they don't, the skin is off on them, not on the company. We discussed this in the thread earlier, you know the whole GM and Chrysler is doing is unsustainable and bailing them out is waste of money, and dnno1 said it was unconstitutional and necessary. And how he put his money where his mouth is and invested his own money into the company. He must be a happy man. :funny:

We have wasted 30 billion before AND after bankruptcy on GM alone IIRC... but billions is a small price to pay to ensure more fail. This is only a fraction of the fail compared to the big banks that are insolvent.
 
If anyone uses that arguement, they don't understand the Constitution.
 
New Chairman of GM Board admits “I don’t know anything about cars”

By Amy Thomson and Katie Merx

June 10 (Bloomberg) -- Edward E. Whitacre Jr. built AT&T Inc. into the biggest U.S. provider of telephone service over a 43-year-career. By his own admission, he becomes chairman of General Motors Corp. knowing nothing about the auto industry.

The 6-foot-4-inch Texan nicknamed “Big Ed” said steering the nation’s largest automaker after bankruptcy is “a public service.” People who know him say he can meet GM’s need for the type of transformation he orchestrated at Dallas-based AT&T.

“I don’t know anything about cars,” Whitacre, 67, said yesterday in an interview after his appointment. “A business is a business, and I think I can learn about cars. I’m not that old, and I think the business principles are the same.”

Whitacre’s selection bucks more than a half-century of tradition at GM, where the only non-executives to lead the board since 1937 were interim Chairman Kent Kresa and John Smale, who held the job from 1992 through 1995. Whitacre will take the post when Detroit-based GM exits Chapter 11, perhaps by Aug. 31.

A bachelor’s degree in industrial engineering and record in shaping a “monolithic” AT&T into a diversified enterprise make Whitacre “a good choice,” said Jim Hall, principal of 2953 Analytics auto-consulting firm in Birmingham, Michigan.

“He was one of the guys who helped create a new AT&T that wasn’t so dependent on land-line phone service,” said Hall, a former GM engineer. “There’s a parallel with General Motors. GM is not now about just making cars. It’s about re-creating itself as a 21st-century car company. They have to have somebody at the top that understands they have to make a new GM.”

Talking With Rattner

The U.S. Treasury, which is backing GM’s restructuring with about $65 billion, reached out “some weeks ago,” Whitacre said, enticing him out of retirement to help oversee a company that has lost almost $88 billion since 2004.

“Lots of conversations” followed with Steven Rattner, the Wall Street dealmaker running President Barack Obama’s car task force, said Whitacre, adding that Treasury’s message was: “We need your help. It’s a great company. You could be a lot of assistance to GM.”

Whitacre is “well qualified” for the GM post, the Treasury said in a statement.

In addition to Kresa, the automaker’s new, 13-member board will include five holdovers -- CEO Fritz Henderson and directors Philip A. Laskawy, Kathryn V. Marinello, Erroll B. Davis Jr. and E. Neville Isdell. Six others will retire, including all four who were appointed in the 1990s.

Rattner asked former CEO Rick Wagoner to cede his job to Henderson and named Kresa interim chairman in March after rejecting GM’s plan to return to profit.

Treasury, Congress

Whitacre will have to contend with Treasury’s oversight, as the biggest equity holder in the so-called New GM, and pressure from Congress. He has faced lawmakers and investors before.

In 2006, while defending AT&T’s customer-privacy policy at a hearing where U.S. senators pressed him about the alleged sharing of data with a spy agency, Whitacre was rebuked by then- Chairman Arlen Specter for “contemptuous answers.”

A year later, AT&T management prevailed on a shareholder proposal seeking an advisory role in executive pay, which got 44 percent of the vote. Whitacre announced his retirement at that meeting, leaving with compensation valued at $158.5 million, according to the Corporate Library in Portland, Maine.

GM’s directors are now working for $1 a year. The automaker plans to disclose board compensation terms when it announces the rest of the new members, said Julie Gibson, a spokeswoman.

No Sitting Around

James Kahan, 61, a former AT&T executive who worked with Whitacre for 20 years and talked to him about the job the night before it was announced, predicted his old boss will probably be heavily involved in GM’s restructuring.

“He’s not one to sit idly by,” Kahan said.

After graduating from Texas Tech University in Lubbock in 1964, Whitacre joined AT&T’s Southwestern Bell unit just as the touch-tone phone was being introduced. He worked his way up to CEO in 1990 and bought Pacific Telesis Group in California for $16 billion in 1997.

That was the first link-up among the eight Baby Bells, created in 1984 after then-AT&T Corp. agreed to cede local phone operations, and started a buying spree that totaled almost $200 billion and helped create the largest U.S. phone company.

“He started the whole telecom consolidation because he recognized that scale was going to be important,” said Jim Ellis, 66, a former general counsel at AT&T, who worked with Whitacre for about 30 years. “He had a vision to build the company, to increase the sales and the size, the efficiency.”

Building a Bell

SBC, the smallest of the local Bells, changed its name to AT&T Inc. after it bought AT&T Corp. in 2005 for $16.5 billion and in 2006 had its first annual share-price gain in eight years. A year after Whitacre retired, AT&T relocated to Dallas, near his hometown of Ennis, from San Antonio.

The ability to sustain a “global enterprise” and set clear lines of responsibility is pivotal to GM’s future, said Michael Robinet, an automotive analyst at CSM Worldwide Inc. in Northville, Michigan.

“Let’s face it: The chairman is not necessarily operational,” Robinet said. “The chairman is about ensuring a strategy is followed.”

GM is proposing to sell its best assets to create a new company around its Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick brands within 90 days. The remaining assets will be liquidated in bankruptcy to help pay off creditors.

Whitacre, a resident of San Antonio, a South Texas city of 1.2 million, will set a different cultural and geographic tone at GM, said Kahan and Ellis, the former AT&T executives.

Detroit is 1,237 miles to the northeast, almost twice as far as to Mexico City. While GM’s only Texas assembly plant is in Arlington, a five-hour drive, San Antonio is home to a pickup factory for Toyota Motor Corp., which ended GM’s 77-year reign as the world’s largest automaker in 2008 and beat GM in adopting new models such as hybrids.

As a “man of action,” Whitacre won’t sit still, Kahan said. “He doesn’t like long meetings,” Kahan said. “He’ll be fresh air.”

To contact the reporters on this story: Amy Thomson in New York at [email protected]; Katie Merx in Southfield, Michigan, at [email protected]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aQ._YJhEj_Jo#
 
Frankly I am not to upset by this...
Plenty of guys that knew cars drove this company into the ground....how bad can he be?
 
I am actually all for it.
As much as I hate AT&T....

He did huge things...and that company is making money hand over fist.

Business is Business, if you are intelligent enough to understand the specifics of operational differences, you can adapt a strategy to fit.

Give him the keys and let him drive the company from the basement I say....can he do much worse then the current management?

Not really..
 
If Obama fails with his gigantic spending gamble, aka mortgaging the future. I doubt someone like Romney will want to run for the presidency. Ain't a lot to pickup from :funny:
 
Forty-one percent (41%) of Americans expect the quality of General Motors cars to get worse now that the federal government is the majority owner of the bankrupt automaker.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 19% believe the quality of GM cars will improve while 16% expect little change and 24% are not sure. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub..._cars_will_suffer_under_government_management
 
Since the Government is Majority Owner, shouldn't we rename this thread "Government Motors: The New GM"?
 
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