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$40k is just an estimation too. Final total invoice price + repairs (parts) + insurance make it above average for a 40k type of car. Rich people who can afford - unless it is a clique thing - won't buy this car. They would prefer a higher status European car, and this is why most high status car companies (like Lamborghini) made money in 2008 despite the recession.

Higher social status is more important to the consumers ultimately, and tends to make companies more $$chingching$$
 
Yeah... and who would want to dish out $40k for the Volt, when they can spend about half as much on a Prius or an Insight?
 
How the hell do you jump from 48 mpg to 230mpg unless you had the ability to go further than the fuel standards we've had for decades?
 
Yeah... and who would want to dish out $40k for the Volt, when they can spend about half as much on a Prius or an Insight?

I would think future versions of the Volt will get cheaper and cheaper. If it doesn't they won't be around for long.

How the hell do you jump from 48 mpg to 230mpg unless you had the ability to go further than the fuel standards we've had for decades?

That's a very good question.
 
The answer is pretty much a variation of what I said: the tech is unreliable as hell. My bet is Toyota could probably do the same, but opted not to because the tech is in its infancy and would be thus costly. This would of course hurt their rep and thus profit lines. Since GM is no longer in the business of making money, we get this.
 
The answer is pretty much a variation of what I said: the tech is unreliable as hell. My bet is Toyota could probably do the same, but opted not to because the tech is in its infancy and would be thus costly. This would of course hurt their rep and thus profit lines. Since GM is no longer in the business of making money, we get this.

On the contrary, if they are ready to come to market with that technology, it is more than likely been proven out to be reliable enough for the consumer otherwise then wouldn't be coming out with it.
 
Regarding the whole "230 mpg," the Volt can average that, or better said, be on pace for that type of number, but it's just skewing the facts. I'll let someone else explain it better than me.

Basically, you will be able to drive the Volt for about 40 miles using the lithium-ion batteries. For those driving less than that, gas mileage is essentially unlimited. It is only after 40 miles that the Volt will start using gas.

"Most Volt drivers will operate on a daily basis without having to use a single drop of gas," said Henderson, saying that three out of four drivers travel 40 miles or less a day.

Fuel economy for hybrid vehicles like the Toyota Prius is displayed in the same way as it is for any other gasoline-powered vehicle. It gets 46 mpg, for example, versus 19 mpg for a V-6 Ford Mustang.

That standard works because all the energy used by the Prius ultimately comes from burning gasoline. The Prius just uses that energy more efficiently than other cars do.

The Chevrolet Volt, on other hand, runs on electricity that comes from two sources -- a battery as well as a gasoline engine.

When gasoline is providing the power, the Volt might get as much as 50 mpg. But that mpg figure would not take into account that the car has already gone 40 miles with no gas at all.

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be just 62.5 mpg.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that the composite average fuel economy is 100 mpg, which BatMatt just posted.
 
Yeah... and who would want to dish out $40k for the Volt, when they can spend about half as much on a Prius or an Insight?
Crazy tree huggers.

How the hell do you jump from 48 mpg to 230mpg unless you had the ability to go further than the fuel standards we've had for decades?
Very good question. I do believe that auto companies had the ability to have a lot better fuel economy for years and just didn't do so because there was no reason.
 
Crazy tree huggers.

Actually, as someone who reads a lot into "green" blogs and what not, and someone who's been a big environmentalist for a few years myself, the reaction to the Volt by the green community isn't that great. The majority of us would rather look at a Prius or a Insight (until Consumer Reports gave it a pretty underwhelming review), or the possibility of a Fit or Yaris hybrid. Or, if we have the funds, one of Tesla's models
 
There is no way I would get on a Houston highway in this...



or this...



or allow my teenager (if I had one) to drive one of these on the highway....

This is a possibility, and may very well be my next car....



But, this is more my style.....and I love mine.




But unless you are an urban driver, a hybrid is going to do you little good as far as your gas is concerned. I will never buy an electric car unless they can guarantee me a straight 8 hour trip without stopping....
 
Jeez, cars are gettin uglier and uglier. If they can make a Shelby Cobra economically fuel efficient then i'm on board
 
or allow my teenager (if I had one) to drive one of these on the highway....

This is a possibility, and may very well be my next car....



http://img156.imageshack.us/i/2007fordescapehybrid03.jpg/

Is that the new Prius? It looks a lot better than the first version.
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Yes, that's the new 4-door....I like the look much better.....I went in to buy a Prius when I bought my Escape back in 06.....but I didn't like it once I saw it in person...this one is much better....
 
Yeah, this one looks pretty cool! The others were a bit ugly.
 
I like the look of the 4-door better than the 2-door as well.....

I'm not sure that I can give up the space though with my two dogs....they love the room in my Escape...
 
I like the look of the 4-door better than the 2-door as well.....

I'm not sure that I can give up the space though with my two dogs....they love the room in my Escape...

That's my thing as well. I don't like cars that are 2 doors when they really should be 4. (Like the Prius, Neon, or Civic.) It just looks strange to me. In my mind, 2 door should be exclusive to trucks and sports cars.
 
Well that and insurance. 4-door models cost less than their 2-door version for whatever reason.
 
The front end does not flow well with the other half. It is either way too long or the back half is too tall. It looks pretty lame. It looks like they meshed a tiny 4 door car with a long luxury model car.
 
That cost even more than a Volt and that is after government subsidies. If you can afford that, you can afford a Porsche Boxster or a Nissan 350z
 
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