Germans. Still Evil?

[Erzengel]

That's Falcor. t:

Falcor played for the Washington Sentinels.

 

[NickNitro]

I thought Falcor lived in Fantasia?

 

[Erzengel]

No, you are thinking of Falco Lombardi.

 

[James]

I thought Falcor lived in Fantasia?

And we come full circle.

 

[NickNitro]

Lol I just re read the posts.....yeah....someone change gears here

 

[Schlosser85]

Berlin is actually very multicultural these days too.

Lot of Jews, lot of Middle Eastern immigrants.

Somehow I don't think Hitler would be impressed.

 

[Manic]

David Hasselhoff.

He was big in Germany. That oughta shift us back on topic a little.

 

[NickNitro]

I wish I was in the same car as Hitler after Jesse Owens came out and just owned the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. I just wish I could see his reaction.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Don't forget Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling in 1938.

Hitler must've done an epic face palm after that one.

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

While Germans may not be evil today, I can't say the same about them in the 1980's. It's hard to forgive a country that gave us "Der Kommissar" by Falco.

WHAT!!! you have got to be kidding and that was " After the fire" who sung that ( i know cause i use to play it on my giant big ass boom box back in the day!t: hmmm.. with that and the comics things no wonder i couldnt get a date!) that song rocked!
how could a country be evil that gave us
"99 luft balloons!" (translation :99 red balloons)
[YT]9whehyybLqU[/YT]
Catchy pop tune with a political statement over a snazzy new wave beat!!! Evil?? I think naught!

oh and that chick was hottttt!!! hehe

 

[Hobgoblin]

Don't forget Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling in 1938.

Hitler must've done an epic face palm after that one.

I heard a little about the Louis/Schmeling story on the History channel. Actually a pretty impressive story of humanity and respect between rivals despite the politics they both faced.

 

[terry78]

Ain't dark_b German? He's never outright said where he's from, but I catch little things over the years.

 

[Hobgoblin]

WHAT!!! you have got to be kidding and that was " After the fire" who sung that ( i know cause i use to play it on my giant big ass boom box back in the day!t: hmmm.. with that and the comics things no wonder i couldnt get a date!) that song rocked!
how could a country be evil that gave us
"99 luft balloons!" (translation :99 red balloons)
[YT]9whehyybLqU[/YT]
Catchy pop tune with a political statement over a snazzy new wave beat!!! Evil?? I think naught!

oh and that chick was hottttt!!! hehe

Actually, thats "99 air balloons."

luft=air
rot=red

 

[BLACKVULCAN]

Actually, thats "99 air balloons."

luft=air
rot=red

hmmm cause when i saw the English version of the song it was titled "red"
[YT]14IRDDnEPR4[/YT]
Stupid "American top 10 Countdown" with Casey kasem back in the day! Messing up my German!i stand corrected Hob.you learn something new everyday!
see this is why we will never understand other cultures. stuff gets lost in translation! i still dig the song for it's East Berlin ready to shoot anything, everybody's a Captain "blow s&^( up 1st and ask questions later" kirk message which resonates even today though! i will take this over Nikki Minja any-day!

 

[Hobgoblin]

hmmm cause when i saw the English version of the song it was titled "red"
[YT]14IRDDnEPR4[/YT]
Stupid "American top 10 Countdown" with Casey kasem back in the day! Messing up my German!i stand corrected Hob.you learn something new everyday!
see this is why we will never understand other cultures. stuff gets lost in translation! i still dig the song for it's East Berlin ready to shoot anything, everybody's a Captain "blow s&^( up 1st and ask questions later" kirk message which resonates even today though! i will take this over Nikki Minja any-day!

It's not the first mistranslation of a foreign song. Wayne Newton mispronounced schone in "Danke Schone." It has a long "O" sound, there is no A in "schone."

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I wish I was in the same car as Hitler after Jesse Owens came out and just owned the 1936 Olympics in Berlin. I just wish I could see his reaction.

He congratulated him. Thought he was great. Hitler did not in fact believe there were no exceptional people in other races just that they shouldn't mix and reign over their own continents. There's no proof other than assertion that he was offended by Owens other than him being on not Germany's team.

Hitler is pretty complicated, really. All countries, well most industrialized countries, especially larger ones, have some form of relocation camps, involve themselves in small and large scale extermination/ethnic cleansing. Think about Israel and their "defensive" acts against Palestine, which is all a bit ironic when you think about it. The American policy of Indian removal, Anderson during the Civil War, and the systematic sterilization of the mentally ******ed between 1910 and 1940. All this stuff was carried out by fairly complicated men. Andrew Jackson seemed pretty viscous in policy towards native Americans, yet adopted one, and wished to see them all, white, black and native in heaven upon his deathbed.

One of the problems with Hitler comes with a misunderstanding of Mein Kampf. It's heavily edited and Hitler added a lot to make it *fit* with the Nazi platform. Kennedy wrote Profiles in Courage to generate Presidential excitement, and Obama wrote Dreams of My Father which is a book many have tried to make into some Socialist nightmare book (coincidentally probably haven't read it either), but Hitler is not much different. The book was mostly a Nationalist anthem, which wasn't meant to be racist, or at least wasn't about race and racism as it's core theme, but was a memoir and a metaphor for struggling and social Darwinism. Social Darwinism, also, wasn't just being pushed by Hitler. Darwin(ism)'s Evolution had just really hit the public in a big way, and it was being erroneously expanded to a social context by a lot of modern thinkers. So countries and races with strong identities began to feel that the races were in competition. Hitler was rallying his people, so to speak. He felt the tug of depression and loss leaving them behind on the social Darwinist stage, and so he very much wanted his people to rally and move ahead. However painting him as a blind racist who would just wipe everyone else like the Joker, is wrong.

It was more or less a perfect storm. The Holocaust; German efficiency in action. The Germans were already highly efficient, Antisemitism was already a huge European problem, and of course Hitler's feelings about Jews, while complicated in their own right, very much reflected that environment.

However quite ironically he'd get letters from Communist prison camps, on such string of letters was responded to by one of Hitler's officers saying that Hitler was in fact becoming upset to learn of the horrible conditions in Communist camps, and he was getting very emotional because of the letters. Ironic, isn't it? These were Asian prisoners, and Hitler had complete sympathy for them, while doing what it was that he was doing.

A lot of people like to prop Hitler up as Dr. Doom because it forgives the people who rallied around him as being brainwashed. They really weren't. Hitler provided them a lot of good reasons to happily go along with the Third Reich. It wasn't like the people who supported Hitler were all racist either; many just did not care about what happened to a Jewish population since they were not Jewish. It's almost sad humans can be so casual about this stuff, but we are, and we were there. Also Hitler is human too and it's important to understand he was charismatic, intelligent, thoughtful in correspondence, very hard working, but placed himself either by choice or accident at the head of a very monstrous organization. So he is a monster, but mostly in retrospect. If we could go back and ask them during the era we'd probably find a much different opinion.

Or, like they say, how bad can Hitler be? He killed Hitler.

 

[chamber-music]

I watch enough cooking shows to know that British food isn't as bland as the stereotypes say, but every now and then I run into something that reinforces those stereotypes. I mean, hopefuldreamer says she doesn't put seasoning on her food.

Hell I could judge American food on that processed garbage that sterotypical rednecks eat on those reality shows but it wouldn't be fair. Millions of people it lots of different things and every region has their own cuisine in the UK as they do in the U.S.

I don't know why hopefuldreamer doesn't like seasoning on her food perhaps she just likes plain food god bless her t:

I'm sure you could find an American who doesn't put seasoning on thier food as well.

Indian food ought to be pretty plentiful in London. I'd imagine quite a bit of Middle Eastern there as well. I don't really remember much of it, too young.

Lebanese food has grown pretty popular over the last decade

In Britain, particularly London you can eat basically anything your heart's desires and it'll be good. It's very multicultural there in terms of food, I suppose you'd expect this from such a major city.

You can eat just about any cuisine in London these days you can even eat african bush meat.

Berlin is actually very multicultural these days too.

Lot of Jews, lot of Middle Eastern immigrants.

Somehow I don't think Hitler would be impressed.

Most major European cities are very multicultural these days.

One of the most popular street foods in modern Germany is Currywurst

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currywurst

 

[NickNitro]

He congratulated him. Thought he was great. Hitler did not in fact believe there were no exceptional people in other races just that they shouldn't mix and reign over their own continents. There's no proof other than assertion that he was offended by Owens other than him being on not Germany's team.

Hitler is pretty complicated, really. All countries, well most industrialized countries, especially larger ones, have some form of relocation camps, involve themselves in small and large scale extermination/ethnic cleansing. Think about Israel and their "defensive" acts against Palestine, which is all a bit ironic when you think about it. The American policy of Indian removal, Anderson during the Civil War, and the systematic sterilization of the mentally ******ed between 1910 and 1940. All this stuff was carried out by fairly complicated men. Andrew Jackson seemed pretty viscous in policy towards native Americans, yet adopted one, and wished to see them all, white, black and native in heaven upon his deathbed.

One of the problems with Hitler comes with a misunderstanding of Mein Kampf. It's heavily edited and Hitler added a lot to make it *fit* with the Nazi platform. Kennedy wrote Profiles in Courage to generate Presidential excitement, and Obama wrote Dreams of My Father which is a book many have tried to make into some Socialist nightmare book (coincidentally probably haven't read it either), but Hitler is not much different. The book was mostly a Nationalist anthem, which wasn't meant to be racist, or at least wasn't about race and racism as it's core theme, but was a memoir and a metaphor for struggling and social Darwinism. Social Darwinism, also, wasn't just being pushed by Hitler. Darwin(ism)'s Evolution had just really hit the public in a big way, and it was being erroneously expanded to a social context by a lot of modern thinkers. So countries and races with strong identities began to feel that the races were in competition. Hitler was rallying his people, so to speak. He felt the tug of depression and loss leaving them behind on the social Darwinist stage, and so he very much wanted his people to rally and move ahead. However painting him as a blind racist who would just wipe everyone else like the Joker, is wrong.

It was more or less a perfect storm. The Holocaust; German efficiency in action. The Germans were already highly efficient, Antisemitism was already a huge European problem, and of course Hitler's feelings about Jews, while complicated in their own right, very much reflected that environment.

However quite ironically he'd get letters from Communist prison camps, on such string of letters was responded to by one of Hitler's officers saying that Hitler was in fact becoming upset to learn of the horrible conditions in Communist camps, and he was getting very emotional because of the letters. Ironic, isn't it? These were Asian prisoners, and Hitler had complete sympathy for them, while doing what it was that he was doing.

A lot of people like to prop Hitler up as Dr. Doom because it forgives the people who rallied around him as being brainwashed. They really weren't. Hitler provided them a lot of good reasons to happily go along with the Third Reich. It wasn't like the people who supported Hitler were all racist either; many just did not care about what happened to a Jewish population since they were not Jewish. It's almost sad humans can be so casual about this stuff, but we are, and we were there. Also Hitler is human too and it's important to understand he was charismatic, intelligent, thoughtful in correspondence, very hard working, but placed himself either by choice or accident at the head of a very monstrous organization. So he is a monster, but mostly in retrospect. If we could go back and ask them during the era we'd probably find a much different opinion.

Or, like they say, how bad can Hitler be? He killed Hitler.

Well said, are you a history major or just a buff?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Well said, are you a history major or just a buff?

I just read a lot of history books, but I was a Poli Sci major so it's not as though I didn't cover it in school.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think Nazi Germany was definitely a text book example of mass brainwashing.

It was a mix of fear/self-preservation/paranoia, nationalism, misplaced rage all used to form mass hysteria and absolute public support for the Nazi Party.

and the idea that what Andrew Jackson allegedly said on his death bead instantly forgives what he did to Native Americans is offensively stupid.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Who cares if Hitler was a compassionate person in certain cases?

He's directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 85 million people.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

Who cares if Hitler was a compassionate person in certain cases?

He's directly and indirectly responsible for the deaths of over 85 million people.

I mean, you could say this about a lot of leaders, many of whom we paint as good. Abraham Lincoln is directly responsible for the bloodiest war in history, for example.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I think Nazi Germany was definitely a text book example of mass brainwashing.

More than likely it's that people just don't give a sh** about what doesn't happen to them. Case in point: all my wardrobe and 99% of everything you can buy is made by a slave in a foreign country.

It was a mix of fear/self-preservation/paranoia, nationalism, misplaced rage all used to form mass hysteria and absolute public support for the Nazi Party.

and the idea that what Andrew Jackson allegedly said on his death bead instantly forgives what he did to Native Americans is offensively stupid.

Nowhere in the post is this said

Try rereading it again.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I mean, you could say this about a lot of leaders, many of whom we paint as good. Abraham Lincoln is directly responsible for the bloodiest war in history, for example.

any try to say Lincoln's civil war had nothing to do with slavery but if you look at the South's own reasons for secession and Lincoln's own anti-slavery sentiment before he became president it's clear slavery was a major factor.

and ending slavery is one of the most noble reason for going to war in history.

 

[Schlosser85]

Lincoln didn't go to war to end slavery anymore than the Allies went to war to save the Jews. He let the border states that sided with the Union keep their slaves.