Give This Actor the Oscar Already!!! (Debate)

[Poeman]

Well that exactly was my point at the beginning of this thread but obviously people just vote for who they like the most not who really had the best performance of the year.

RDJ in Zodiac?Are you kidding me?

Bardem and Casey Affleck in Jesse James had infinitely better,more memorable performances than him...Affleck is mesmerizing as Bob Ford.

If you really think RDJ was better than either,well then i guess this thread has lost all sense of reality.

The same thing goes for Gary Oldman...find one role of his that was the best performance of the year,i asked that question earlier and not surprisingly no one has answered it yet.

Gary Oldman hasn't won a single critics award in his life...he has only one Bafta nomination 22 years ago and one SAG nomination The Contender and that's it.

There are no roles that have been criminally ignored by the oscars as if they have something against him.There have been snubs for other actors in the past but they usually have received great buzz/awards elsewhere like Sally Hawkins,justifying the objection people have with the snub.

Oldman has played his parts admirably,he's great in Dracula,the batman franchise,Leon,The Potter franchise,as Sid Vicious...but none of these roles are award worthy by themselves,none of these are the performance of the year.

But considering people think RDJ should have won for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang i'm not surprised how this poll has gone.

I agree with you 100%...I saw the Assassination of Jesse James movie and I was blown away by Casey Affleck, he clearly was the runner-up to Bardem. RDJ should not be discussed with those two for those performances, although RDJ is a better overall actor.

btw the poll has really surprised me so far...Oldman is just dominating this thing...I do think he has a great shot at getting a nomination at least for his movie 'Easter Sixteen' (Tells the story of the 1916 Irish Uprising.)

 

[Mace Dolex]

Tom Cruise for either Rainman or Born On The 4th Of July.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Affleck is mesmerizing as Bob Ford.

Completely agreed. He was also goddamn great in Gone Baby Gone, but I still liked him in Assassination more. The assassination scene is probably one of the most tense moments I've ever experienced in a movie.

 

[Thundarr]

Jim Carrey totally should've got an Oscar for his portrayal of Andy Kaufman in Man On The Moon and his role in The Truman Show.

And Mickey Rourke totally deserves an Oscar for his role in The Wrestler.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

RDJ was Val Kilmer's little b***h in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

Suck it Iron Man fanboys! Even Schumacher's Batman owns you.

Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday in Tombstone

 

[Poeman]

Val Kilmer as Doc Holiday in Tombstone

Lets not forget Val Kilmer in his badass supporting role in HEAT

 

[Boom]

Gary Oldman.

The end.

 

[Evil Twin]

Although Oldman is consistently good, I don't know if you can really say that he's been robbed over the years.

Sid and Nancy and Leon are really his two signature roles. And I've no problem with the Academy's nominees for 1986 (Paul Newman for Color of Money, William Hurt for Children of a Lesser God, Bob Hoskins for Mona Lisa, James Woods for Salvador, and Dester Gordon for 'Round Midnight). And in 1994, he'd have been up against Martin Landau in Ed Wood, Gary Sinise in Forrest Gump, Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction, Chazz Palminteri in Bullets Over Broadway, and Paul Scofield in Quiz Show. Maybe you can make a case for a nomination, but I think the Academy got it right with the winners those years. Dracula's competition was tough too. I just don't see the case that Oldman was robbed as much as he had unlucky timing.

Ian McKellan is the one that I think really has a case for Richard III, Gods and Monsters, and LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring. There's a strong case for him having 3 Oscars instead of zero. It's not like the winners each of those years are untouchable. Especially Benigni.

Peter O'Toole had the misfortune of going up against Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mockingbird which was probably his best case.

I'd make the cases that the actors that were truly robbed in the poll were:
Bill Murray - Lost in Translation
Tom Cruise - Magnolia

And some others have good arguments.

I'll toss this in there as well: Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List. Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor, but The Fugitive isn't some untouchable performance that people return to over the years.

(If we're including actresses, I'll toss out Sigourney Weaver on the short list.)

 

[Raiden]

(If we're including actresses, I'll toss out Sigourney Weaver on the short list.)

How come we don't have a poll for actresses as well? And Signourney Weaver as I recall had 2 Oscar nominations in one year, for Working Girl and Gorillas in the Mist. Too bad she walked away without any Oscar.

 

[Bad Superman]

Oldman is da man.

 

[Vengeance]

I love RDJ like everyone but i dont think he deserves an Oscar. That said i havent watched all his films so i could be wrong.

Do you guys have a movie in mind?

Check out Chaplin, I love Kiss Kiss Bang Bang but Chaplin was a role he deserved an oscar for.

 

[Bad Superman]

Check out Chaplin, I love Kiss Kiss Bang Bang but Chaplin was a role he deserved an oscar for.

I thought he did win an Oscar for Chaplin.

 

[Thundarr]

Check out Chaplin, I love Kiss Kiss Bang Bang but Chaplin was a role he deserved an oscar for.

He deffintitely desserves an Oscar for Chaplin! That movie was awsome.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

He deffintitely desserves an Oscar for Chaplin! That movie was awsome.

He deserved it more than the eventual winner,Pacino,but not over Denzel in Malcolm X which is probably the performance of his career.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What was the role that gave Pacino the Oscar?

 

[Kargo Warrior]

What was the role that gave Pacino the Oscar?

Scent Of A Woman....it was a career oscar,for arguably his worst performance of all the performances he got nominated for which include both Godfather movies,Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon.

 

[Evil Twin]

He deserved it more than the eventual winner,Pacino,but not over Denzel in Malcolm X which is probably the performance of his career.

Yeah, RDJ certainly deserved a nomination. And he turned in a better performance than Pacino to boot. But, if anyone had a gripe that year it was Denzel, not RDJ.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Scent Of A Woman....it was a career oscar,for arguably his worst performance of all the performances he got nominated for which include both Godfather movies,Serpico and Dog Day Afternoon.

I liked him in that but its weird that he didnt get the Oscar in any of the films you mention but got it there. What's a "career oscar"? "Sorry we didnt give you an Oscar earlier, we think you deserve one so here is one now even though you werent the best this year?"

****ing Academy.

 

[Kargo Warrior]

I liked him in that but its weird that he didnt get the Oscar in any of the films you mention but got it there. What's a "career oscar"? "Sorry we didnt give you an Oscar earlier, we think you deserve one so here is one now even though you werent the best this year?"

****ing Academy.

The same thing happens very often.Ever since Jeff Bridges got into the race last November,most oscar prediction sites ruled it as a near certainty that the academy will award him for his great career.

I love Jeff Bridges,both as a person and as an actor but Colin Firth gave the performance of the year where the quality and subtlety of the performance are concerned.

Denzel with Training Day,Kate Winslet for The Reader (she had a better performance in the same year with Revolutionary Road)are also example of this.

To be honest,there have been great mistakes they've made in the past but after giving Sandra Bullock for that performance i don't think the award has any prestige left.

 

[Thundarr]

The same thing happens very often.Ever since Jeff Bridges got into the race last November,most oscar prediction sites ruled it as a near certainty that the academy will award him for his great career.

I love Jeff Bridges,both as a person and as an actor but Colin Firth gave the performance of the year where the quality and subtlety of the performance are concerned.

Denzel with Training Day,Kate Winslet for The Reader (she had a better performance in the same year with Revolutionary Road)are also example of this.

To be honest,there have been great mistakes they've made in the past but after giving Sandra Bullock for that performance i don't think the award has any prestige left.

I can understand if they have a Lifetime Achievement Award to give such actors at The Oscars, but not giving actors the Actor/Performance Of The Year just because they've put in some awsome performances in the past but were never recognized for them.

That's why I don't watch the Oscars anymore. I prefer The Peoples' Choice Awards, The Golden Globes, and The MTV Movie Awards. The awards where actors are awarded for being in films people actually watched.

By the way, I thought Pacino was great in Scent Of A Woman, I just think RDJ was better in Chaplin.

 

[hugekent]

Although Oldman is consistently good, I don't know if you can really say that he's been robbed over the years.

Sid and Nancy and Leon are really his two signature roles. And I've no problem with the Academy's nominees for 1986 (Paul Newman for Color of Money, William Hurt for Children of a Lesser God, Bob Hoskins for Mona Lisa, James Woods for Salvador, and Dester Gordon for 'Round Midnight). And in 1994, he'd have been up against Martin Landau in Ed Wood, Gary Sinise in Forrest Gump, Samuel L. Jackson in Pulp Fiction, Chazz Palminteri in Bullets Over Broadway, and Paul Scofield in Quiz Show. Maybe you can make a case for a nomination, but I think the Academy got it right with the winners those years. Dracula's competition was tough too. I just don't see the case that Oldman was robbed as much as he had unlucky timing.

Ian McKellan is the one that I think really has a case for Richard III, Gods and Monsters, and LOTR: Fellowship of the Ring. There's a strong case for him having 3 Oscars instead of zero. It's not like the winners each of those years are untouchable. Especially Benigni.

Peter O'Toole had the misfortune of going up against Gregory Peck in To Kill a Mockingbird which was probably his best case.

I'd make the cases that the actors that were truly robbed in the poll were:
Bill Murray - Lost in Translation
Tom Cruise - Magnolia

And some others have good arguments.

I'll toss this in there as well: Ralph Fiennes for Schindler's List. Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor, but The Fugitive isn't some untouchable performance that people return to over the years.

(If we're including actresses, I'll toss out Sigourney Weaver on the short list.)

Great post, agree with it all. People often say that Benigni robbed Ed Norton of the Oscar but I would have McKellen slightly ahead.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I can understand if they have a Lifetime Achievement Award to give such actors at The Oscars, but not giving actors the Actor/Performance Of The Year just because they've put in some awsome performances in the past but were never recognized for them.

That's why I don't watch the Oscars anymore. I prefer The Peoples' Choice Awards, The Golden Globes, and The MTV Movie Awards. The awards where actors are awarded for being in films people actually watched.

By the way, I thought Pacino was great in Scent Of A Woman, I just think RDJ was better in Chaplin.

The MTV Movie Awards are the exact reason why teenager don't vote.

I like the academy because they recognize films that people don't normally see and deserve to be recognized. It's not snobbery, although sometimes it can be the case, but I give them credit for giving credit where it's due, though not all the time.

 

[baerrtt]

Well that exactly was my point at the beginning of this thread but obviously people just vote for who they like the most not who really had the best performance of the year.

RDJ in Zodiac?Are you kidding me?

Bardem and Casey Affleck in Jesse James had infinitely better,more memorable performances than him...Affleck is mesmerizing as Bob Ford.

If you really think RDJ was better than either,well then i guess this thread has lost all sense of reality.

The same thing goes for Gary Oldman...find one role of his that was the best performance of the year,i asked that question earlier and not surprisingly no one has answered it yet.

Gary Oldman hasn't won a single critics award in his life...he has only one Bafta nomination 22 years ago and one SAG nomination The Contender and that's it.

There are no roles that have been criminally ignored by the oscars as if they have something against him.There have been snubs for other actors in the past but they usually have received great buzz/awards elsewhere like Sally Hawkins,justifying the objection people have with the snub.

Oldman has played his parts admirably,he's great in Dracula,the batman franchise,Leon,The Potter franchise,as Sid Vicious...but none of these roles are award worthy by themselves,none of these are the performance of the year.

But considering people think RDJ should have won for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang i'm not surprised how this poll has gone.

I think what's hurt Oldman as regards to recognition is that, post DRACULA, the guy seemed to get into the pattern that Mark Strong today should be familiar with....and that was becoming the go to guy playing villains in Hollywood movies.

IMO Oldman, despite his talent, limited himself by accepting fat paychecks in playing variations of the same crazy one-dimensional bad guy over and over again. If his career had mirrored the pattern of Daniel Day Lewis (his closest contemporary) in that once Hollywood came calling he didn't feel the need to work constantly and chose his roles carefully he would have won an Oscar (and more awards) along time ago.

 

[Vengeance of Bane]

Jim Carrey shouldn't be on the list in my opinion. The only performance that could merit a nomination was in Eternal Sunshine..., but again, he was up against stellar performances from Jamie Foxx, Leo Dicaprio, Clint Eastwood, Johnny Depp and Do Cheadle.

Jim Carrey should be replaced by Ryan Gosling

 

[El Payaso]

I liked him in that but its weird that he didnt get the Oscar in any of the films you mention but got it there. What's a "career oscar"? "Sorry we didnt give you an Oscar earlier, we think you deserve one so here is one now even though you werent the best this year?"

****ing Academy.

It is exactly that, a little less embarrassing than their "Oops you passed away before we could give you that Oscar we so many times stupidly and ignorantly denied" Award.