Guess that's the end of the epic movie revival....

Kevin Roegele

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For a while there we had the likes of Troy, Alexander, Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur...now the trend seems to have evaporated. You could count 300, but that would be a neo-epic.
 
Considering all of those movies were mediocre at best ('cept for 300), I can't say I'm all that sad to see it go.
 
Considering all of those movies were mediocre at best ('cept for 300), I can't say I'm all that sad to see it go.

I love both Troy and King Arthur. Didn't like either first time round.
 
The problem is once Gladiator was a hit all of the studio's were making them. You can get too much of a good thing.
 
The director's cut of Kingdom of Heaven is brilliant. Not as good as Scott's previous epic, the masterpiece known as Gladiator, but still a great and underrated movie thanks to studio interference by Fox (surprise, surprise!) by thrusting Bloom on Scott and even after making that work cutting his 3:10 opus down to 2:15 for theatrical run.

The rest are either okay (Troy) or suck (everything else).

Oh well.
 
Troy and Kingdom of Heaven were pretty good, IMO.
 
For a while there we had the likes of Troy, Alexander, Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur...now the trend seems to have evaporated. You could count 300, but that would be a neo-epic.

Well, I'm not crying seeing how (besides 300) the best of those movies was only ok.
 
I think "King Arthur" is probably the worst of the bunch listed.
 
Although I haven't seen it, I've got it under good authority that Alexander was extremely disappointingly as well. Apparently they completely skipped over the part where Alexander conquered the world, and instead decided to focus on sex affairs.
 
Even then, 300 was more of a fantasy than anything, more analogous to the Lord of the Rings push than the historical epic one.

Honestly, I think the problem was they tried to make predominantly mythological stories into historical pieces/ You've got Troy, which instead of portraying the real Trojan War, was just the Iliad without the Gods, and then you had King Arthur with a half-assed realistic intent. Alexander tried to make his mythos real instead of just portraying him as we think he was, Kingdom of Heaven was the only one that tried to be a conventional epic, and apparently is good in the director's intended version.

Great epics of the past, like Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, or Cleopatra deal with the story of what happened to them as it was known. Or Gladiator that has verisimilitude. Or popular ones like Clash of the Titans or the Steve Reeves Hercules films, that embraced the myths. Hell, I think that's what 300 did right, embracing the mythologizing of the battle that's happened in Herodotus, etc.

I think the folly in the new epics is trying to change, or create a new take on old stories while still retaining some of the original. You can't go on about Achilles and Hector without Apollo and Athena, and you can't go on about Arthur and Merlin without grails and Galahad and magic.

And Alexander is another category altogether, you can't just in general half-ass a movie about the most important person ever, and have him played by Colin Farrel to add insult to injury.
 
I don't think there's been a good period epic since Tristan and Isolde.

But that's recent...I don't think there's been a great one since The Count of Monte Cristo.

And I don't think there's been the kinda hit the studio's been wanting with these "epics" since Gladiator.

If only Peter Jackson would adapt La Morte D'Arthur without all the mysticism.

But, I guess I'll have to do it...
 
With Pirates raking in the cash, I half expect things like Sinbad and Jason and the Argonauts to get big budget remakes.
 
I had some cool ideas for an animated remake of Jason and the Argonauts where it's set in deep space. It'd be called "Argonaut." :word:
 
I'd just point out that Alexander we actually know a pretty decent amount of information. I'd rather review the historical figure than the myth. But like JFK (albeit that was a good movie) Oliver Stone is insane and gets off on crazed theories and spends his time on the wrong areas of focus.

Also, I am in the small minority that thinks 300 is mediocre eye candy. But I doubt I'll get anyone to agree with that, though.
 
With Pirates raking in the cash, I half expect things like Sinbad and Jason and the Argonauts to get big budget remakes.
So did I.

Even then, 300 was more of a fantasy than anything, more analogous to the Lord of the Rings push than the historical epic one.

Honestly, I think the problem was they tried to make predominantly mythological stories into historical pieces/ You've got Troy, which instead of portraying the real Trojan War, was just the Iliad without the Gods, and then you had King Arthur with a half-assed realistic intent. Alexander tried to make his mythos real instead of just portraying him as we think he was, Kingdom of Heaven was the only one that tried to be a conventional epic, and apparently is good in the director's intended version.

Great epics of the past, like Spartacus, Lawrence of Arabia, or Cleopatra deal with the story of what happened to them as it was known. Or Gladiator that has verisimilitude. Or popular ones like Clash of the Titans or the Steve Reeves Hercules films, that embraced the myths. Hell, I think that's what 300 did right, embracing the mythologizing of the battle that's happened in Herodotus, etc.

I think the folly in the new epics is trying to change, or create a new take on old stories while still retaining some of the original. You can't go on about Achilles and Hector without Apollo and Athena, and you can't go on about Arthur and Merlin without grails and Galahad and magic.

And Alexander is another category altogether, you can't just in general half-ass a movie about the most important person ever, and have him played by Colin Farrel to add insult to injury.
I agree with this assessment.

Can I just add that Keira Knightley was an extremely unconvincing "warrior princess"?
 
Also, I am in the small minority that thinks 300 is mediocre eye candy. But I doubt I'll get anyone to agree with that, though.

I didn't see what was so great about it beyond the visuals either. It was really an amalgam of every sword & sandal movie that came before it...nothing special.
 
Beowulf and the Golden Compass are coming out this year.....they're epic-ish.
 
The surge 2-3 years back of swords and sandals epics produced some pretty horrible movies so I'm not all the sad to see it go, I wasn't really impressed with any of them;

Troy - Sucked, I was completely taken out of the movie when the big battles turned into what resembled a high school fight where two stars would start to fight and everyone crowded around in a circle to watch them. Plus for the most part this war seemed like a factory job, people would clock in for a battle at 8am by 5 the battle was over and everyone went home for the day, giving the opposing army a week to bury their king or prince or whoever died in battle, c'mon you're at war! Plus I really couldn't buy Brad Pitt as the biggest badass world the world has ever known.

Kingdom of Heaven - I've only seen the theatrical version, but I doubt the director's cut would enhance my enjoyment, I could barely make it through the movie it was so boring. I only watch director's cuts of movies I somewhat enjoyed to begin with to get more information, Aliens, Lord of the Rings, Almost Famous, great movies to begin with, getting even more info sign me up. I hear the Kingdom of Heaven directors cut is almost like Daredevil's, give a whole new spin on the story, but I was at least interested watching Daredevil the first time, Kingdom of Heaven not so much

Alexander - Didn't even make it through this, I turned it off about halfway through

King Arthur - Can't even remember most of it

300 was good because it was different, as someone said using the supernatural elements of those stories, that's one of the big things that grabbed my attention about these stories to begin with the supernatural/magical elements.
 
But 300 was a historical event without supernatural elements. However, I do not dislike the film for that, I can ennjoy a romanticizing kickass movie if it is fun. Far be it to call the good epics like Gladiator, Braveheart, Ben-Hur or Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut is a totally different movie that is so much richer and better developedi t is a travesty what they did to it with the TC)....but 300 is just boring. It has no rewatch value. I was dragged to it a second time and while the first time I was mildly amused the second time I was bored to tears. I almost fell asleep. None of the characters have any depth, you don't even really know their names. It's all just so shallow and filler until the fight sequences which are pretty. But outside of Gerard Butler's charismatic presence the movie has nothing else going for it but special effects. The story is boring, the characters have no depth and it is a mysoganistic movie that could double for Nazi propoganda.


Sorry Miller lost his touch after the '80s, but the graphic novel was okay the movie....just no. I should add an IMO, though.
 
The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is such a great film. Materpiece in my opinion. It's Scott didn't get to make it his theaterical cut.
 
The Kingdom of Heaven Director's Cut is such a great film. Materpiece in my opinion. It's Scott didn't get to make it his theaterical cut.

Well it's really Scott's fault from what I hear... He apparently got cold feet after some bad test screening and hacked up his films, whether that's true or not sadly I don't have the link to back it up so I could be wrong I admit...

As for 300... I agree with exactly what DACrowe said and take it a step further and say it's actually scary how popular it is. It promotes the exact opposite of what the civilized male is suppose to be. Seriously the King(forget his name) in 300 is simply portrayed as some testerone driven alpha-male, he's given absolutely no real reason for not working with the Persians other than pride. The woman are nothing more than sexual fodder, who's only contribution is being used for sex. I like how purdy the film is but it's story is severly lacking...
 

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