The History of 300

[Nivek]

The US isnt at odds or at war with the UK, but if they were and a movie like 300 came out about the American revolution that showed the British as twisted, perverted, homosexual, bisexual Prince music video rejects, we'll see how they react.

Um, have you even seen Braveheart? One, it was Scot vs. English, and two... The prince (Edward II) in that film was indeed portrayed in a pretty unflattering light (very foppish, aloof and spoiled). As for his father (Edward I), who was depicted as being pretty tyrannical and evil himself, even allowing sanctioned rape. You want to really have fun note the conflict about Bravehearts battle scenes in relation to actual events

And as someone noted, Mel Gidson starrer The Patriot took ALOT of Liberties with the American Revolution and historical figures and events as well.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

The difference again is that we are not in such political odds (or in Iraq's case) at war with them. Movies like these usually fan the flames of opposing sides. Think Rocky IV or Rambo III during the Cold War.

 

[angel1005]

Hi, I expert in Persian history and I don't ever remember reading that this Spartan and his army of 300 beat the Persians. At least not Xerxes. He had conquered Greece so could someone clear this up for me? Did it really happen? Are they going to make the Persians look like barbarians or heartless monsters? I want to see a movie on ancient history WITHOUT a bias opinion. Those are the reasons I hated troy and Alexander. SO will someone please clear up for me the storyline and who wins in the end? Because if they greatly changed it like in troy and Alexander then I won't watch it. Thanks

Try to look the movie with an objective look and no Historian's one !! First it's a movie... And even if it's not the reality the movie will not bad i think.
So be tolerant and above all : OPEN UP !!!

 

[uchiha_itachi]

you cant forget tht this movie is based on a graphic novel, and not the historical facts/myths. even though the the grapic novel was based on history, because its a graphic novel it has alot of out there ideas. its like saying captain america didnt fight in world war II, so im not gonan see a captain america movie lol just see the film for fun cos it owns

 

[Horrorfan]

The people who think this movie is racist are just ******ed beyond belief, and need to slit their own throats or put their heads in an oven or something, to rid the world of such pure, undilluted stupidity.

 

[TheQuietOne]

Very cool.

 

[herakles]

The people who think this movie is racist are just ******ed beyond belief, and need to slit their own throats or put their heads in an oven or something, to rid the world of such pure, undilluted stupidity.

unfortuantly we need their genes to preserve genetic diversity!t:

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I saw part of this movie and the problem with it is that there are quite a few ACCURATE (per what Herodotus and others have written in their scrolls)historical facts used. I was surprised by this. Of course, this is done alongside all the inaccuracies and false portrayals. One thing is having Africans play Persians seemed a bit strange. I just hope people do not mix them up.

Of course, the pedophilia and sodomy was missing from the Spartan upbringing , but quite a bit of the rest seemed to me to be there. I was just wondering though why the Spartans had to be dressed in loincloths when they were trainned hoplites used to fighting in full armour which included breastplates. I guess something for the ladies.

I also found Xerxes quite funny as he could have easily tried out for the NBA given his size .

 

[Horrorfan]

It's a ****ing comic book movie, not the god damned history channel.

 

[Nivek]

It's a ****ing comic book movie, not the god damned history channel.

It's cool in this thread to discuss History vs. The Film/GN, but I agree that alot of people are not catching on. Zack adapted Frank Millers 300, not Gates of Fire.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

I was not complaining and think the adaptation was very well done. I was just commenting on how surprised I was in finding accurate historical 'facts' mixed in with the fiction.

The comment regarding the loin cloths was more artistic anyways as I thought it would have looked pretty cool to see them in full armour, but of course it was Miller's vision.

 

[Horrorfan]

It's cool in this thread to discuss History vs. The Film/GN, but I agree that alot of people are not catching on. Zack adapted Frank Millers 300, not Gates of Fire.

Thank you, someone else gets it.

Of course it had some historical facts. It was based on historical events.
But it also had a fat mutant guy with swords on his arms. It was like the folk tale, campfire version of historical events, like how Captain America vs the Nazis was a fanciful way of portraying WW2. It had historical things in it, nazis, world war 2, etc because it was based on an event that really happened.

I'm sorry Ahura, I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm just tired of people (not you) thinking this movie, or any movie for that matter, is a history lesson. Unless it's a documentary (and even then it's gonna be biased in some way), you shouldn't take hollywood history at face value.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

Thank you, someone else gets it.

Of course it had some historical facts. It was based on historical events.
But it also had a fat mutant guy with swords on his arms. It was like the folk tale, campfire version of historical events, like how Captain America vs the Nazis was a fanciful way of portraying WW2. It had historical things in it, nazis, world war 2, etc because it was based on an event that really happened.

I'm sorry Ahura, I didn't mean to be rude, but I'm just tired of people (not you) thinking this movie, or any movie for that matter, is a history lesson. Unless it's a documentary (and even then it's gonna be biased in some way), you shouldn't take hollywood history at face value.

Yes well, unfortunately, for quite alot of people movies sometimes are history lessons.

I was just amazed that they portrayed quite a bit about the Spartan upbringing accurately. i was not expecting it having visited this thread.

I just now need to see the rest of the movie. One peice of advice to everyone, do not take a squeamish girl with you to see this movie or like me you will find yourself leaving this movie midway

 

[herakles]

horrorfan I hope you understand that this thread is ABOUT THE ACTUAL HISTORICAL BATTLE!!!!!! It says in the Title "History of 300"

I think we are allowed to critiqe the movie here???? I saw the movie and I think it was a amazing work of FANTASY but it perverted a very important event in the history of my people and the development of Western Civilization. It was a great movie though just painfully inaccurate!

 

[herakles]

On August 11 480 BC King Leonidas his 300 Spartans and 700 Greek Patriots fought on the last day of the Battle of Thermopylae!!!!

 

[brian48]

I just wanna know where in the historical facts that mentioned Xerxes had a goat that can play such a mean clarinet/flute. That's pretty cool.

 

[Colossus24]

I just wanna know where in the historical facts that mentioned Xerxes had a goat that can play such a mean clarinet/flute. That's pretty cool.

Oh yeah that part was right out of Herodotus' histories.

 

[strikezone89]

visually i liked the movie but i didnt like the story. but i would watch it again.

 

[Penismightier]

The only thing that I couldn't get over with regards to historical accuracy was the speech Leonidas made to Xerxes about how free men stood against a tyrant today or something like that. I just thought, you know how all the Spartans were warriors? And in Sparta all they showed were women and politicians? So, who did all the craftsman work and merchant's work? Slaves! It was lazy how they couldn't write out the hypocrisy in the script.

 

[Colossus24]

ummm....why would they write out the hypocrisy? Leonidas and the 300 probably actually did believe that they were free men standing against a tyrant, and in some respects, they were right.

 

[Arkady Rossovich]

The History Channel had a documentry about the 300,you can comment on it here.

 

[Penismightier]

ummm....why would they write out the hypocrisy? Leonidas and the 300 probably actually did believe that they were free men standing against a tyrant, and in some respects, they were right.

Yeah, free men. Free men who were standing up for freedom. Who owned slaves. Lots of slaves. If they really cared that much about freedom wouldn't they, oh I don't know, not have slaves? But in actual history it was about Spartan nationalism than anything having to do with freedom.

 

[Nivek]

Yeah, free men. Free men who were standing up for freedom. Who owned slaves. Lots of slaves. If they really cared that much about freedom wouldn't they, oh I don't know, not have slaves?

But the same can be said for the United States, and a couple other world powers. It was liberated by rich, powerful, enigmatic men who also owned slaves. It's not so outlandish. Hypocritical, yes, but ironic that those decrying their own personal freedom kept people underfoot. But historicly, slavery being abolished world wide is still a pretty recent thing.

But in actual history it was about Spartan nationalism than anything having to do with freedom.

As is it always, men fighting to protect their territory and homes are fiercer opponents in battle. It's always for their little piece .

 

[Penismightier]

What happened in the United States and other world powers doesn't apply to this movie and it's historical accuracy. The film could have had the same impact without Frank Miller's right-wing messages of hypocritical freedom. Making an entertaining action movie while disregarding historical facts is one thing, distorting history for your political beliefs is another.