The History of 300

Interesting... Dariush did indeed conquer later on in another battle. Not mentioned? I wonder why. Still that's more accurate then 300
 
Oh yeah. There were 300 at the battle of Thermopylae but during the first defense there was 4000. They lost miserably. In Thermopylae they sent only 300. Added with the other Greek soldiers they were Seven Thousand
 
Just a curiosity , what you guys in your vision say about the persian losts ? Do you deny that more than 25.000 persians were killed before the Betrayal of the greeks ?
 
And also , u still believe 300 is supposed to be historically accurate ? *rolls eyes*
 
Legend being told.

Histrorical detail oriented documentry.

Which one is 300?
 
I never said it's supposed to be historically accurate so why are you saying "still" I opened this thread to inform people about the history if they are interested.
 
Asteroid-Man said:
I never said it's supposed to be historically accurate so why are you saying "still" I opened this thread to inform people about the history if they are interested.
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Yeah but u mentioned

" Still that's more accurate then 300 "

But now I ask again , since all we say and read are biased version of the fact , could you answer me these , on the persian view of the event :

-How many days did the battle lasted ?
-How many persians were killed ?
-Isn't true that 2 of Xerxes's brothers were killed in battle ?
-Some person called "Ephialtes " had a small chat with Xerxes ?
-What exactly happened with Leonidas's body when he died ? What did Xerxes said to be done ?
 
Asteroid-Man said:
I never said it's supposed to be historically accurate so why are you saying "still" I opened this thread to inform people about the history if they are interested.
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Yeah but u mentioned

" Still that's more accurate then 300 "

But now I ask again , since all we say and read are biased version of the fact , could you answer me these , on the persian view of the event :

-How many days did the battle lasted ?
-How many persians were killed ?
-Isn't true that 2 of Xerxes's brothers were killed in battle ?
-Some person called "Ephialtes " had a small chat with Xerxes ?
-What exactly happened with Leonidas's body when he died ? What did Xerxes said to be done ?
 
jnpoe said:
Yeah but u mentioned

" Still that's more accurate then 300 "

But now I ask again , since all we say and read are biased version of the fact , could you answer me these , on the persian view of the event :

-How many days did the battle lasted ?
-How many persians were killed ?
-Isn't true that 2 of Xerxes's brothers were killed in battle ?
-Some person called "Ephialtes " had a small chat with Xerxes ?
-What exactly happened with Leonidas's body when he died ? What did Xerxes said to be done ?
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1. unknown
2. unknown
3. wrong. Only one came with him that was recorded. The others were cowards.
4. never heard of it
5. unknown. Some say he had his head cut off then crucified. Which is VERY unlikely because the Persians would respect their combatants and build he opposing leaders's tombs where they'd be laid.
 
This is stupid. It NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER was supposed to be hisotrically acurate. See, Frank Miller used a real battle and used his IMAGINATION and created a whole new story. IMAGINATION is something many people dont have anymore. Just go enjoy an awesome movie. LOTR isn't historically accurate. It takes place during Pangea. LAst time I checkedThere never were trolls or elves or even humans that lived on Pangea. so yeah... this is a stupid debate
 
Asteroid-Man said:
1. unknown
2. unknown
3. wrong. Only one came with him that was recorded. The others were cowards.
4. never heard of it
5. unknown. Some say he had his head cut off then crucified. Which is VERY unlikely because the Persians would respect their combatants and build he opposing leaders's tombs where they'd be laid.
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5- Indeed , I give you that , that the Persians would respect the deads ........ but Xerxes I , I think even you admit he was known for displays of rage , and as I read :

"Although it was a unusal action by the persians , when the greeks were killed in the last day , after the denials of surrender and given the loss of so many persian soldiers , Xerxes's hatred towards Leonidas was such that he ordered the dead king to have his head chopped and his body crucified "
And about so many " unknowns " , Tell me something if you don't know really how many days did the battle last , or how many persians were killed ....... How do you wanna call the History Channel Documentary or another western source a lie , if you don't really know ? How can you go , oh No Way more than 20.000 persians were killed , That's a lie , Impossible , If you don't even know close numbers of it ?
 
Asteroid-Man said:
There were three. I was talking about the First, Xerxes's father
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I hope you know that the Ionian Revolt was suspressed first before he invaded Greece and FAILED!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darius_the_Great
"At the time, European Greece was intimately connected with the Greek cities on the coast of Asia Minor and as a result Athens and Eretria gave support to the Ionian Revolt against the Persians. Once the rebellion was put down, the Persians attempted to punish Athens and European Greece for meddling in the rebellion. But the first expedition, that of Mardonius, failed on the cliffs of Mount Athos (492 BC), and the army which was led into Attica by Datis in 490 BC was beaten at the Battle of Marathon. Before Darius had finished his preparations for a third expedition an insurrection broke out in Egypt (486 BC). In the next year Darius died, probably in October 485 BC, after a reign of thirty-six years."

The Third expedition was when Xerxes invaded Greece and Ultimately FAILED as his Father did 10 years before!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I_of_Persia
Invasion of the Greek mainland
Main article: Greco-Persian Wars
Darius left to his son the task of punishing the Athenians, Naxians, and Eretrians for their interference in the Ionian revolt and their defeat of the Persians at Marathon. From 483 Xerxes prepared his expedition with great care: a channel was dug through the isthmus of the peninsula of Mount Athos, provisions were stored in the stations on the road through Thrace, two bridges were thrown across the Hellespont. According to Herodotus, Xerxes' first attempt to bridge the Hellespont ended in failure when a storm destroyed the flax and papyrus bridge; Xerxes ordered the Hellespont whipped three hundred times and had fetters thrown in. Xerxes' second attempt to bridge the Hellespont was successful.[3] Xerxes concluded an alliance with Carthage, and thus deprived Greece of the support of the powerful monarchs of Syracuse and Agrigentum. Many smaller Greek states, moreover, took the side of the Persians, especially Thessaly, Thebes, and Argos. Xerxes, with a large fleet and army (Herodotus the Greek historian claimed that there were over 2,000,000 soldiers), set out in the spring of 480 from Sardis. Xerxes was victorious during the initial battles, but at the Battle of Thermopylae, a small force of warriors, led by King Leonidas, resisted the much larger Persian forces. The Greeks were defeated by Xerxes army, though at a great cost to the Persians, thus resulting in a pyrrhic victory for the Persians. After Thermopylae, Athens was conquered, the Athenians and Spartans were driven back to their last line of defense at the Isthmus of Corinth and in the Saronic Gulf. At Artemisium the battle was indecisive as large storms destroyed ships from both sides. The battle was also stopped prematurely as the Greeks caught news of the defeat at Thermopylae and retreated. But Xerxes was induced by the astute message of Themistocles (against the advice of Artemisia of Halicarnassus) to attack the Greek fleet under unfavourable conditions, instead of sending a part of his ships to the Peloponnesus and awaiting the dissolution of the Greek armament. The Battle of Salamis (September 29, 480) was won by the Athenians. Having lost his communication by sea with Asia, Xerxes was forced to retire to Sardis; the army he left in Greece under Mardonius was beaten in 479 B.C. at Plataea. The defeat of the Persians at Mycale roused the Greek cities of Asia.
 
weezerspider said:
This is stupid. It NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER was supposed to be hisotrically acurate. See, Frank Miller used a real battle and used his IMAGINATION and created a whole new story. IMAGINATION is something many people dont have anymore. Just go enjoy an awesome movie. LOTR isn't historically accurate. It takes place during Pangea. LAst time I checkedThere never were trolls or elves or even humans that lived on Pangea. so yeah... this is a stupid debate
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Well the big difference is that after watching Lord of the Rings is that the entire movie is fantasy where this is a movie that people will watch and think "thats what the Spartans and Persians really acted like" and its simply not true.

I can go to the theatre and watch 300 as a fantasy , but that doesnt mean Joe Shmoe next to me is going to know that most of this movie is fantasy. I can't even tell you how many people who have seen Braveheart or Apocalypto and claim 'thats how things were' back then.

I was visiting the Rotten Tomatoes 300 forum the other day and I swear there was a Neo-Nazi in there pounding his chest about how his white warriors vanquished their foes.

Picture a MOVIE based on some graphic novel about Iraq. Where a 'few' terrorists stood against 'many' international forces. In this movie the US were shown as monsters, cowards, and perverts and the terrorists were shown as pure freedom fighters fighting for their land and women. Let's see how that movie flows in Europe and the US.

I can totally see why Persians would hate this movie. This movie literally pissed on their 2,000 year history and culture...oh and great timing too.
 
"Persians" need to stop being so thin skinned apparently. It's just a movie.

Want to make a point, make a movie of the same quality, from a "Persian" perspective. Not that Terrorist thing, because they are blatent cowards in Iraq right now, show the persians fighting face to face against an ememy that refuses to bow down before the War Machine, and they had to flex the military muscle to push these resistant little Spartans out of the way so they can bring Greece into the fold.

Didn't hear the English complain all that much about Bravehearts historical inaccuracies and fallacies in regards to making them look like monsters. But we shouldn't hurt feeling now, should we?
 
Nivek said:
Didn't hear the English complain all that much about Bravehearts historical inaccuracies and fallacies in regards to making them look like monsters. But we shouldn't hurt feeling now, should we?
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The US isnt at odds or at war with the UK, but if they were and a movie like 300 came out about the American revolution that showed the British as twisted, perverted, homosexual, bisexual Prince music video rejects, we'll see how they react.

I dont think Zack Snyder's intention was to inflame Persians, but Warner Brothers likes to profit on issues that are on focus today. Lets see what they do to Watchmen as that can be taken very politically if they wanted to.
 
Midnyte_Sun said:
The US isnt at odds or at war with the UK, but if they were and a movie like 300 came out about the American revolution that showed the British as twisted, perverted, homosexual, bisexual Prince music video rejects, we'll see how they react.

I dont think Zack Snyder's intention was to inflame Persians, but Warner Brothers likes to profit on issues that are on focus today. Lets see what they do to Watchmen as that can be taken very politically if they wanted to.
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There was a movie kinda like that Mel Gibson's The Patriot
 
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