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quick small isolated question.
you bring protection up but don't you believe having a weapon in your home increases the chances of it or a similar/worse weapon being used against you and your family?
let's not concentrate on anything else, just that logic that having a weapon
increases the probability of a thief having a weapon
increases the probability of it being used accidentally to injure al oved one or yourself
is not the most efficient method of protecting your family/home.
Sales of guns, ammo still high
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=11&articleid=20090313_11_A1_ARuger442781
Let's try and imagine a country that allows every citizen to carry an armed weapon concealed or not everywhere they go, whether it be an automatic rifle or pistol. Would you feel safer knowing every single person had a firearm on them? What do you think would happen in a scenario like that?
That only the stupid would try to commit a crime
Not unusual at all.It's not unusual for a robbery to be an inside job. Like when a person has work done in their house, they're letting strangers see their house. It happened to a house in my neighborhood recently..
This guy used an AK.No one was talking about AK-47's..
I'm applying faux logic? You're the one saying having an effective means of self-defense is not protecting yourself. You're simply buying into the media who, when they see a shooting, call for stricter gun legislation without fully understanding the issue; which is that said legislation would only affect the people who were not breaking the law.
you don't have to be intelligent to get a gun or anything illegally, you simply need to have the contacts and the capital to buy it.That not every criminal is like DeNiro in Heat who has access to a damn good armory, surrounds themselves with other professional criminals and is very intelligent.
They're generally Bucktooth McGerkins who dropped out of high school and are limited to what wal-mart sells.
alright, two things
the most efficient way of crime prevention would be to remove the motivations to commit crime.
the second would be to remove the opportunity
the third would be to defend yourself against it.
i'm not saying calling the cops is going to help anyone either. security systems are decent deterrents. So are guard dogs, keeping lights on and all other sorts, making sure people are around, dogs are locked, property is secure, nothing tempting to the eye.
by the time the notion of using a weapon comes into it, a crime has already been commited (burglary) so two lines of protection have already been busted. It'd be like wearing suncream during a nuclear explosion. Too lil, too late.
and its not like even if one person who has a gun license can operate one, the entire household can either. Having a weapon increases your chances of yourself being shot. Criminals normally use weapons as a means of intimidation, if you show up with your own gun, you indicate you aren't going to be intimidated. A criminal will think about running or putting you down. whether they decide to open fire on your depends on a whole plethra of things but it becomes more likely than if you were subdued and a non-threat.
also if it comes down to a gun fight, there is every opportunity, you and your family may get caught in the cross fire. not to mention the higher probability of gun misuse by giving anyone acess to it that shouldn't be. I mean surely it's a similar locking mechanism that locks your front door that locks away your gun. If you're worried enough about one's home security to get a gun, then you can't undermine the ability of others to access it either.
quick small isolated question.
you bring protection up but don't you believe having a weapon in your home increases the chances of it or a similar/worse weapon being used against you and your family?
let's not concentrate on anything else, just that logic that having a weapon
increases the probability of a thief having a weapon
increases the probability of it being used accidentally to injure al oved one or yourself
is not the most efficient method of protecting your family/home.
it's a trick, there is no king of england...
Let's try and imagine a country that allows every citizen to carry an armed weapon concealed or not everywhere they go, whether it be an automatic rifle or pistol. Would you feel safer knowing every single person had a firearm on them? What do you think would happen in a scenario like that?
I don't live in a country where can own a firearm.Do you own a firearm? Have you attended a training course for the proper use of a firearm? They cover all of this. I believe wholeheartedly that when you purchase a firearm that you, the purchaser, must be required to take this course, and you should also be required to have a mental history background check.
It's different strokes for different folks. truth be told, most robberies operate differently because all criminals operate differently.Your logic is flawed in that you believe a criminal is going to subdue you and just leave you alone. I'm not going to go into to much detail because I feel like if you had taken this course, the one I have which was opinions and first hand experiences of ex SWAT members, retired Military, current military, and current police officers you would have a better grasp of home encounter situations. I was told numerous stories of people that saved their lives and whole family.
I think most good detterrants are simple ideas BUT we aren't told about them because everyone wants us to go and buy the new security technology or the latest model weapons. It's a shame but the information we get isn't ever going to be informed once cash is changing hands.I used to have some of the same logic as you and while they are good deterrents. A gun is your last line of defense. I feel you should have all of these things but not everyone can afford all of these things. Guns are cheaper and if they followed what I had recommended not because they are required but because it will make them smarter and less likely to kill someone 'accidentally'.
when i talk about accidentally injuring someone, i'm also talking about in a gun fight situation
it still increases your chances. especially if you get in a close proximity tussle. i'm sure your experience with conflict may give you bias but when andrenaline starts rushing through and all other mixes of emotions, the cucumber rationale of training is not always around.
and not all firearm users are skilled with it, especially in an uncontrolled environment.
If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.
true. adrenaline is a double edge sword
i'd go with what paradyme said that all gun users should have to pass a course first, with the same mentality as driving. additional things on that should be weapon servicing and a safety course for all other adults and passive members of the home over 8 to make sure they don't meddle and its safe.
i also think the safest thing a gunman to do to protect his home is put up a sign saying there is a weapon on the premises, hopefully this should put off even the most tempted of criminals.
i would believe we can make a society without increasing the means we have to settle things. As you may be aware of, i think the way we deal with a lot of social problems are not ideal and the means we use to deal with them (at best) serve as short term maintenance to the bigger issue.
i go back to one of my original statements saying maybe people should be more community driven, at least that way, you are less likely to shoot up people that have gone out of their way for you and spot issues in people's lives to make sure they are resolved with, instead of having thigns like this happen.
you don't have to be intelligent to get a gun or anything illegally, you simply need to have the contacts and the capital to buy it.
And your family is more likely to be killed in a car accident than to be killed by the gun in your house. That doesn't keep you from driving. Yes, those accidents happen. But if you're responsible and take the necessary precautions, you can eliminate, or at least greatly reduce, the risk.
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it will however reduce and limit the amount of people they can kill within a given time
how many stories do you hear about a crazy kid with a knife killing 15 kids.
after a couple of stabs, he'd get floored, maybe 2 fatalities max.
i know i would rather take my chances with a dude with a rock than with a gun, which one would you rather have?
sure it won;t help on its own, but you can't deny it won't be effective without some additional community outreach and a better relationship between kids, their parents, peers and communities. If you started giving a crap about the people you live around, you're less inclined to want to shoot them up, no matter how pissed off you are.
did you know by simply having a bleeping light in your vehicle, mimmicking a security alarm, it reduces the chances of your vehicle being broken into.A sign isn't going to stop someone from breaking in. Besides, criminals don't go "out of their way for people" nor do they contribute anything to society aside from increasing crime stats
alright let get this into perspective.Here's a link where a guy killed 8 children with a knife and injured 15 more, including two teachers--the Osaka School Massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
Mass knife murders may be much more rare that mass gun murders, but they can still happen.
i was talking more about the automatic equipment and so on and so forth, not to mention special calibre rounds and what not.Contacts? In the US you can just walk into a gun show and buy one from any private dealer and walk right out. No background check necessary. Kids can purchase them too if they have the cash. We're not talking about drugs here, so contacts are not necessary.