Guy shows off Girlfriend on Bodybuilding.com...comedy ensues

[jaguarr]

Just because he wanted anonymous people to fill in for what he lacked in his life doesn't mean those same people have to

I agree, but it also doesn't mean that those same people had to further debase and ridicule him and encourage him to kill himself, either.

jag

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Wow. Serious stuff.

Like Spoons I just have to say JAL. I may give you **** from time to time but yeah...don't off yourself man. We'd miss ya.

 

[Bubonic]

Exactly. People who 'have no sympathy' for someone considering/who has committed suicide should hope to whatever deity they follow that they never experience what that feels like.

Let me make it clear that I do not condone egging someone on to kill themselves, or that I find it funny that someone would kill themselves.

But I also realize that we live in a world where tens of thousands of children die everyday, they don't have the luxury of killing themselves on webcam. The ones who do survive past the age of 5 live a miserable existence that most of us couldn't even phantom.

So I'm sorry, but I have been depressed, I've had very destructive periods in my life, but then I manned the **** up and realized how very god damned lucky I was to be living in North America, how lucky I was to live in a society where I don't have to worry about being a casualty of war, or starving to death.

Life is tough all over, but over here we have every ****ing opportunity available to us to help us make it through. We have professionals that'll sit there and listen to our pathetic ****ing stories and help us work through things.

So no, I've no sympathy for someone who killed themselves because they decided to give up instead of keeping the fight alive. They gave up and waited for someone to come along and save them, but that **** would have only been temporary unless they finally decided to save themselves.

There is too many people, and too little space left on this mudball of ours to concern ourselves with those who don't have the ****ing guts and will power to live life.

 

[Logan's Runt]

No it elicits no sympathy from me. You know why? Because i have seen the pain it causes to their parents, it is the most selfish thing in the world IMO. Just completely forgetting about the people who love them and rely on them like a parent does. It is selfish I don't care what any of you "preachers" say.

You know what else causes immense pain to parents? Raising a child with severe mental ******ation. They often don't recognize that people love them and are trying to help. That's an incredible struggle. Or having a child at 22 committed to the mental ward for not connecting with reality anymore. Spending years paying out all their retirement money to pay the hospital bills, and the cost of living between hospital stays. The pain of having a family member with chronic mental illness is intense for everyone involved. Are those people at fault for causing it? You should have no sympathy for any of those people, by your logic.

 

[November Rain]

sticks and stones may break our bones but forum posts can definitely drive us to suicide


*shudders*

 

[Addendum]

sticks and stones may break our bones but forum posts can definitely drive us to suicide


*shudders*

ahahahahahahaha

 

[The Lizard]

Erz has found him on Yahoo! Answers safe and sound and trying to hit on waitresses.

Was he asking how to get to Columbia?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I've had a family member kill themselves, so your response holds no water with me and, frankly, makes you sound emotionally devoid. I'm all too familiar with the damage it does to those left behind. It doesn't stop me from feeling a bit of sympathy for those people suffering so much that they would go to that extreme. Maybe it's because I still regard them as human beings; ones who have little self-worth left and are basically debilitated. You seem to regard them as selfish, pathetic losers. Ahhhhh, perspective.

jag

No I never said anything about them being a loser. Look i'll clear it up, yes I do have SOME sympathy for someone who is so torn apart they don't want to live on. But my overall disgust at their selfishness outweighs my feelings of sympathy.

Imagen you have a son, who you love dearly, who you would do anything in the world for. Then one day he commits suicide, how are you going to feel? I would estimate that you would feel much much worse than what he felt like to commit suicide, because IMO the death of your child would be the worst thing in the entire world for a parent. Now put that into perspective with the reason this person commited suicide. Nothing compares to losing a child. Thats why I think it's selfish, the person who commits suicide is leaving their loved ones in a place that is much much much worse than where they were.

 

[I Am The Knight]

WOW, this thing is a monster!! (The thread, I mean!)

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You know what else causes immense pain to parents? Raising a child with severe mental ******ation. They often don't recognize that people love them and are trying to help. That's an incredible struggle. Or having a child at 22 committed to the mental ward for not connecting with reality anymore. Spending years paying out all their retirement money to pay the hospital bills, and the cost of living between hospital stays. The pain of having a family member with chronic mental illness is intense for everyone involved. Are those people at fault for causing it? You should have no sympathy for any of those people, by your logic.

So you're saying i have mental illness because I think people who commit suicide are selfish? HAHAHA That's really funny, really funny.

Edit: oops i've just realized that's not what your saying. But what you are talking about is someone with genuine mental problems. I'm talking about the people who are so afraid of real life and the real hard world that they would rather die than try their hardest.

 

[Logan's Runt]

But I also realize that we live in a world where tens of thousands of children die everyday, they don't have the luxury of killing themselves on webcam. The ones who do survive past the age of 5 live a miserable existence that most of us couldn't even phantom.

So I'm sorry, but I have been depressed, I've had very destructive periods in my life, but then I manned the **** up and realized how very god damned lucky I was to be living in North America, how lucky I was to live in a society where I don't have to worry about being a casualty of war, or starving to death.

Life is tough all over, but over here we have every ****ing opportunity available to us to help us make it through. We have professionals that'll sit there and listen to our pathetic ****ing stories and help us work through things.

So no, I've no sympathy for someone who killed themselves because they decided to give up instead of keeping the fight alive. They gave up and waited for someone to come along and save them, but that **** would have only been temporary unless they finally decided to save themselves.

By your logic, no one should ever complain about anything unless they're a starving orphan in a third-world country. No one else has a right to feel intense pain. Its total ********. So you'd have sympathy for the little orphans if they committed suicide, because they are the epitome of suffering?

 

[Logan's Runt]

So you're saying i have mental illness because I think people who commit suicide are selfish? HAHAHA That's really funny, really funny.

Uh, what?

 

[Logan's Runt]

So you're saying i have mental illness because I think people who commit suicide are selfish? HAHAHA That's really funny, really funny.

Edit: oops i've just realized that's not what your saying. But what you are talking about is someone with genuine mental problems. I'm talking about the people who are so afraid of real life and the real hard world that they would rather die than try their hardest.

You're not understanding. To commit suicide is by definition to have a mental illness. They ALL have genuine mental problems.

 

[Logan's Runt]

No I never said anything about them being a loser. Look i'll clear it up, yes I do have SOME sympathy for someone who is so torn apart they don't want to live on. But my overall disgust at their selfishness outweighs my feelings of sympathy.

Imagen you have a son, who you love dearly, who you would do anything in the world for. Then one day he commits suicide, how are you going to feel? I would estimate that you would feel much much worse than what he felt like to commit suicide, because IMO the death of your child would be the worst thing in the entire world for a parent. Now put that into perspective with the reason this person commited suicide. Nothing compares to losing a child. Thats why I think it's selfish, the person who commits suicide is leaving their loved ones in a place that is much much much worse than where they were.

Ranking emotional pain is the most ******ed fallacy in the realm of ignorance.

 

[jaguarr]

Let me make it clear that I do not condone egging someone on to kill themselves, or that I find it funny that someone would kill themselves.

But I also realize that we live in a world where tens of thousands of children die everyday, they don't have the luxury of killing themselves on webcam. The ones who do survive past the age of 5 live a miserable existence that most of us couldn't even phantom.

So I'm sorry, but I have been depressed, I've had very destructive periods in my life, but then I manned the **** up and realized how very god damned lucky I was to be living in North America, how lucky I was to live in a society where I don't have to worry about being a casualty of war, or starving to death.

Life is tough all over, but over here we have every ****ing opportunity available to us to help us make it through. We have professionals that'll sit there and listen to our pathetic ****ing stories and help us work through things.

So no, I've no sympathy for someone who killed themselves because they decided to give up instead of keeping the fight alive. They gave up and waited for someone to come along and save them, but that **** would have only been temporary unless they finally decided to save themselves.

There is too many people, and too little space left on this mudball of ours to concern ourselves with those who don't have the ****ing guts and will power to live life.

Wow. Strong selfishness, dude.

No I never said anything about them being a loser. Look i'll clear it up, yes I do have SOME sympathy for someone who is so torn apart they don't want to live on. But my overall disgust at their selfishness outweighs my feelings of sympathy.

Imagen you have a son, who you love dearly, who you would do anything in the world for. Then one day he commits suicide, how are you going to feel? I would estimate that you would feel much much worse than what he felt like to commit suicide, because IMO the death of your child would be the worst thing in the entire world for a parent. Now put that into perspective with the reason this person commited suicide. Nothing compares to losing a child. Thats why I think it's selfish, the person who commits suicide is leaving their loved ones in a place that is much much much worse than where they were.

It is selfish for someone to take their own life. But it's also tragic and often times something that could have been avoided if people were just a little more sympathetic and helped that person get the right professional attention so they could get themselves back on track, or at the very least were supportive of them enough to let them know that at least someone valued them. We're talking about people with chemical imbalances overriding the basic human survival instinct who are emotionally and mentally distraught and, arguably, legally insane. They don't deserve cold regard. Sorry.

And I just got through telling you that I know EXACTLY what it feels like to have a family member kill themselves (a close cousin, actually), so save your hypothetical situations. I've already lived through it. Your example doesn't justify looking down at people who commit suicide with derision by any stretch of the the imagination. Have YOU ever had a close family member kill themselves?

jag

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You're not understanding. To commit suicide is by definition to have a mental illness. They ALL have genuine mental problems.

Errr not really. Your talking about someone who cannot realize that people care for them. If that is caused by genuine mental illness fair enough I definitely do have sympathy for them, that would be terrible. But the ones I DONT and IMO no one else should have sympathy for are the attention seekers who just don't want to try their hardest in life. And this guy, who was apparently saying for months and months and months that he was going to top himself falls into this catergory. I'm not for 1 single second condoning people egging him on to do it, but he is the one who said to everyone for months that he was going to do it, and he is the one who set up the web cam. Doesn't that show you that he was a genuine ATTENTION ****E. People like that I have no sympathy for. His suicide note probs read like this "Oh I can't go on no more, life is just so hard, it's so unfair that everything isn't going my way, I might aswell not bother trying, I'll TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT"

 

[Bubonic]

By your logic, no one should ever complain about anything unless they're a starving orphan in a third-world country. No one else has a right to feel intense pain. Its total ********. So you'd have sympathy for the little orphans if they committed suicide, because they are the epitome of suffering?

You got me all wrong.

Of course people can complain about feeling intense emotional pain, I encourage them to talk about it with friends, family, or even a professional if that's the only option left to them.

But nothing should be so bad that it should lead them to want to kill themselves, not the horrible breakups or the crushing sense of anomie.

Oh, and I realized the worst thing to tell a suicidal person is that there are people all over the world suffering much more then them, because it undermines their pain... And I obviously wouldn't be stupid enough to bring that up if someone I cared about felt suicidal.

But honestly they'd piss me off to some extent, I pissed myself off when I got that weak over the petty nuances of Western life. I still get depressed, but I work through it.

And I still stand behind the notion that people need to toughen up a bit, because life over here just isn't that rough. Tell me, what is the usual reason someone kills themselves anyways?

 

[Logan's Runt]

Errr not really. Your talking about someone who cannot realize that people care for them. If that is caused by genuine mental illness fair enough I definitely do have sympathy for them, that would be terrible. But the ones I DONT and IMO no one else should have sympathy for are the attention seekers who just don't want to try their hardest in life. And this guy, who was apparently saying for months and months and months that he was going to top himself falls into this catergory. I'm not for 1 single second condoning people egging him on to do it, but he is the one who said to everyone for months that he was going to do it, and he is the one who set up the web cam. Doesn't that show you that he was a genuine ATTENTION ****E. People like that I have no sympathy for. His suicide note probs read like this "Oh I can't go on no more, life is just so hard, it's so unfair that everything isn't going my way, I might aswell not bother trying, I'll TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT"

There are intense instincts and physical reflexes that fight to the last to keep a person alive. To purposefully override those is to have a severe dysfunction in the mind- regardless, regardless, regardless, of the reason.

You do know that there are official mental illnesses that include 'ATTENTION ****ING'?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Wow. Strong selfishness, dude.




It is selfish for someone to take their own life. But it's also tragic and often times something that could have been avoided if people were just a little more sympathetic and helped that person get the right professional attention so they could get themselves back on track, or at the very least were supportive of them enough to let them know that at least someone valued them. We're talking about people with chemical imbalances overriding the basic human survival instinct who are emotionally and mentally distraught and, arguably, legally insane. They don't deserve cold regard. Sorry.

And I just got through telling you that I know EXACTLY what it feels like to have a family member kill themselves (a close cousin, actually), so save your hypothetical situations. I've already lived through it. Your example doesn't justify looking down at people who commit suicide with derision by any stretch of the the imagination. Have YOU ever had a close family member kill themselves?

jag

No not a family member, but my best friends brother. I was basically part of the family and I see what it did to them, they'll never be the same again.

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Yes I would have sympathy for someone with genuine problems. But if you actually read about what this guy did it is sooooooo obvious that he was a ATTENTION ****E who was sick of life and trying his hardest. Apprently he had been posting for months and months claiming he was going to do it. Screaming for attention much? He was the one who set up the web cam, screaming for attention much? These are the sorta people i have no sympathy for, but that doesn't mean I condone egging him on to do it, I think that is disgusting.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

There are intense instincts and physical reflexes that fight to the last to keep a person alive. To purposefully override those is to have a severe dysfunction in the mind- regardless, regardless, regardless, of the reason.

You do know that there are official mental illnesses that include 'ATTENTION ****ING'?

What so there is an official mental illness called "Let's post on a forum for months telling everyone that I wish to commit suicide and I will set up a web cam so everyone can watch it"? ********!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Logan's Runt]

You got me all wrong.

Of course people can complain about feeling intense emotional pain, I encourage them to talk about it with friends, family, or even a professional if that's the only option left to them.

But nothing should be so bad that it should lead them to want to kill themselves, not the horrible breakups or the crushing sense of anomie.

Oh, and I realized the worst thing to tell a suicidal person is that there are people all over the world suffering much more then them, because it undermines their pain... And I obviously wouldn't be stupid enough to bring that up if someone I cared about felt suicidal.

But honestly they'd piss me off to some extent, I pissed myself off when I got that weak over the petty nuances of Western life. I still get depressed, but I work through it.

And I still stand behind the notion that people need to toughen up a bit, because life over here just isn't that rough. Tell me, what is the usual reason someone kills themselves anyways?

No, nothing should be bad enough to kill oneself. That's the point. When someone comes to the conclusion that it is the only solution, it is a telltale indicator that their mind is not perceiving reality correctly, that they are delusional. Now if you're of the conviction that delusional people are doing it on purpose and that to be delusional is somehow a punishment for your grandfather's sins or something to do with magic, then we'll have another conversation.

 

[Bubonic]

Wow. Strong selfishness, dude.

jag

I'm sorry to disappoint you, cuz I do like you lots as a board member and all.
And I am sorry if you feel like this is an attack on the person you knew who committed suicide.

I'm not advocating that we should, as a society turn a blind eye to people with suicidal tendencies and set up suicide booths like in futurama.

If I knew someone that was showing signs, then of course I'd do whatever it is that I could to try to make things right for them, because I am a good friend and even though I have a dark worldview I wouldn't just give up on them for being weak.

My major point was that we live in a world were most of its inhabitants don't have that control over their lives, they live in dangerous situations and could die at any moment, they don't get to live comfortably like most of us do... Even our poorest do better then what some experience, and I bet they'd give their legs to have lived the life of this guy who ended his prematurely over at bb.com.

 

[JLBats]

How WONDERFUL it must be for Ace of Knaves to have never experienced a suffocating depression that drained the colour and sound out of his perception of the world and made day to day existence hot, stuffy, painful and nearly unbearable.

How wonderful. FOR YOU. That you've never had to sit with the realization that day to day life has simply become a tedious chore, and how ****ing LOVELY it must be that any hardships you've gone through, your mind hasn't given out, and you've always been certain that things would feel good again. How amazing it must've felt even at the worst of times to remember how it felt when things were better.

You should be ecstatic that your mind never treated you so bad and your plight never got so unrelatable that you could no longer consider the selfishness of your actions.

**** you. You know **** about depression or mental illness.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

No, nothing should be bad enough to kill oneself. That's the point. When someone comes to the conclusion that it is the only solution, it is a telltale indicator that their mind is not perceiving reality correctly, that they are delusional. Now if you're of the conviction that delusional people are doing it on purpose and that to be delusional is somehow a punishment for your grandfather's sins or something to do with magic, then we'll have another conversation.

Your talking as though all people who commit suicide can't help it. There are some who can't, and I have sympathy for them. But there are also some who can help it, and I have no sympathy what so ever for them.

 

[jaguarr]

No not a family member, but my best friends brother. I was basically part of the family and I see what it did to them, they'll never be the same again.

You guys are barking up the wrong tree. Yes I would have sympathy for someone with genuine problems. But if you actually read about what this guy did it is sooooooo obvious that he was a ATTENTION ****E who was sick of life and trying his hardest. Apprently he had been posting for months and months claiming he was going to do it. Screaming for attention much? He was the one who set up the web cam, screaming for attention much? These are the sorta people i have no sympathy for, but that doesn't mean I condone egging him on to do it, I think that is disgusting.

Survival is the basest of human instincts. Even attempting to override it is a sign of mental illness. Period. The methods he pursued in doing so are irrelevant. He was mentally debilitated. Period. Many people who are in this state reach out in various ways, some of which appear to be attention-seeking. They're mentally incapacitated and unable to communicate clearly. They are absolutely seeking attention because they don't know any other way of communicating the anguish they are in; perhaps doing so is the last gasp of the human instinct to survive trying to find a way from keeping the diminished part of the mind from carrying out it's irrational directive to end it's own life. Basically, you are ridiculing the guy for reaching out for help at the absolute lowest point in his life in the only fashion he apparently was capable of.

jag