Guy shows off Girlfriend on Bodybuilding.com...comedy ensues

[Addendum]

I finally found out who the fat person in the wedding picture looks like

Richard Christy

 

[Ace of Knaves]

How WONDERFUL it must be for Ace of Knaves to have never experienced a suffocating depression that drained the colour and sound out of his perception of the world and made day to day existence hot, stuffy, painful and nearly unbearable.

How wonderful. FOR YOU. That you've never had to sit with the realization that day to day life has simply become a tedious chore, and how ****ing LOVELY it must be that any hardships you've gone through, your mind hasn't given out, and you've always been certain that things would feel good again. How amazing it must've felt even at the worst of times to remember how it felt when things were better.

You should be ecstatic that your mind never treated you so bad and your plight never got so unrelatable that you could no longer consider the selfishness of your actions.

**** you. You know **** about depression or mental illness.

You don't ****ing know me. I have been depressed, infact I have been very depressed before. Have you ever been in poverty? Well I have. But you know what I did? I ****ing man'd up and got myself going again, I didn't buckle under the pressure of this hard life. Life is hard, well apart from for spoilt people. I tried my hardest to get where I am today, and it still isn't easy and I know it never will be but I'm not going to ****ing commit suicide because of it.

 

[Logan's Runt]

Your talking as though all people who commit suicide can't help it. There are some who can't, and I have sympathy for them. But there are also some who can help it, and I have no sympathy what so ever for them.

And you're the judge of who is who? How do you decide how to mete out your pathetic rations of 'sympathy'? You don't know any of them. You see the stories on TV, you hear what the media tells you and then you decide in three seconds what an entire expanse of a human being's life amounted to. At least the Christian God claims to know the people he judges arbitrarily.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

And you're the judge of who is who? How do you decide how to mete out your pathetic rations of 'sympathy'? You don't know any of them. You see the stories on TV, you hear what the media tells you and then you decide in three seconds what an entire expanse of a human being's life amounted to. At least the Christian God claims to know the people he judges arbitrarily.

Yea you are absolutely right, I don't know them. But you know what, neither do you.

 

[jaguarr]

I'm sorry to disappoint you, cuz I do like you lots as a board member and all.
And I am sorry if you feel like this is an attack on the person you knew who committed suicide.

I'm not advocating that we should, as a society turn a blind eye to people with suicidal tendencies and set up suicide booths like in futurama.

If I knew someone that was showing signs, then of course I'd do whatever it is that I could to try to make things right for them, because I am a good friend and even though I have a dark worldview I wouldn't just give up on them for being weak.

My major point was that we live in a world were most of its inhabitants don't have that control over their lives, they live in dangerous situations and could die at any moment, they don't get to live comfortably like most of us do... Even our poorest do better then what some experience, and I bet they'd give their legs to have lived the life of this guy who ended his prematurely over at bb.com.

Unlike this guy on BB.com, my cousin showed no warning signs. One day she was here, next day she was gone (gun in the mouth). No one had any idea she was feeling suicidal at all; she hid it all too well. Her suicide note only said "I've had enough.". That was it. No insight as to why she did it. She had just graduated college, landed a great job and was a very happy person. No bad boyfriend breakups. No traumatic things going on in her life. She was simply unable to communicate what was troubling her. Didn't talk to a soul about it, despite having great friends and family who would have gladly helped her. Something just snapped in her.

I find it very tragic and sad that people who, by all accounts, should be thankful and appreciative for the lives they have throw it away through suicide. It's a sign of mental illness and, unfortunately, logic goes out the window when people have problems of that kind.

jag

 

[Bubonic]

No, nothing should be bad enough to kill oneself. That's the point. When someone comes to the conclusion that it is the only solution, it is a telltale indicator that their mind is not perceiving reality correctly, that they are delusional. Now if you're of the conviction that delusional people are doing it on purpose and that to be delusional is somehow a punishment for your grandfather's sins or something to do with magic, then we'll have another conversation.

I've gotten to the point where I was talking to the son of bikers to see if he could hook me up with a gun.

Personally I wasn't delusional, I was just stupid. Felt like a hopeless life, felt sorry for myself, messed up a relationship that was important to me and I couldn't control those circumstances, couldn't make things right, so I wanted to take control of my own life by ending it and then making all the people I felt were causing this to feel bad about it in the aftermath.

There it was, the epitome of selfishness, and I was going through that process that I'm sure many people who go through with it do. Then I took a long hard look in the mirror and told myself to **** off.

Some people can't snap out of that useless state of mind on their own, and hopefully for them someone they care about, or a professional will show them the light.

Some people set themselves up to be miserable and whatever help they are given they don't seem to take advantage of, it almost gets to the point where it seems they just want someone to hold them by the hand for the rest of their lives and tell them it's going to be okay.

People need to learn to face the world on their own, and if they can't handle it then tough luck.

 

[JLBats]

You don't ****ing know me. I have been depressed, infact I have been very depressed before. Have you ever been in poverty? Well I have. But you know what I did? I ****ing man'd up and got myself going again, I didn't buckle under the pressure of this hard life. Life is hard, well apart from for spoilt people. I tried my hardest to get where I am today, and it still isn't easy and I know it never will be but I'm not going to ****ing commit suicide because of it.

I don't think you quite understand the depression I'm talking about, dude.
The depression I'm talking about does not spring forth from situation.
So bringing up how you lived in poverty and pulled up your bootstraps really has LITTLE to do with it.

If depression for people who reach the point of suicide could be changed by a simple change of circumstances, it would be a far easier and less slippery problem to deal with.

It has NOTHING to do with that.

In fact, I would say that it's not even depression if they managed to change their circumstance and get out of it. The process of escaping depression is mercurial and arbitrary at best, impossible at worst.

It is, and remains, one of the most misunderstood mental illnesses. Too many people think it's a funk caused by surrounding circumstances, ala you. And too many people think it's an excuse.

 

[Logan's Runt]

Yea you are absolutely right, I don't know them. But you know what, neither do you.

You don't know them and you are judging them arbitrarily. I don't know them and am willing to allow sympathy in risk of having egg on my face or whatever you're afraid of happening if you're wrong in giving sympathy to them.

The big difference between me and you kiddo, is that I'm a strong enough person to allow sympathy to a human being simply because they killed themselves, regardless of reason. I'm not sitting behind my computer strutting around feeling big about myself because I'm 'stronger' for never having killed myself.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

How WONDERFUL it must be for Ace of Knaves to have never experienced a suffocating depression that drained the colour and sound out of his perception of the world and made day to day existence hot, stuffy, painful and nearly unbearable.

How wonderful. FOR YOU. That you've never had to sit with the realization that day to day life has simply become a tedious chore, and how ****ing LOVELY it must be that any hardships you've gone through, your mind hasn't given out, and you've always been certain that things would feel good again. How amazing it must've felt even at the worst of times to remember how it felt when things were better.

You should be ecstatic that your mind never treated you so bad and your plight never got so unrelatable that you could no longer consider the selfishness of your actions.

**** you. You know **** about depression or mental illness.

You know what? I ain't ****ing having that you ****ing ****. I know alot about depression and mental illness. My mum was put into a place called Runwell because she was so depressed. You know why she was depressed? Because my **** of a father used to beat her. But did she try to commit suicide? No she ****ing didn't because she isn't selfish, she realized there were people who loved her to death and she also realized that **** does infact happen!! Oh man that statement you made has really ****ing pissed me off.

 

[Addendum]

But it's not like that sympathy has any effect on someone who is dead

 

[jaguarr]

I don't think you quite understand the depression I'm talking about, dude.
The depression I'm talking about does not spring forth from situation.
So bringing up how you lived in poverty and pulled up your bootstraps really has LITTLE to do with it.

If depression for people who reach the point of suicide could be changed by a simple change of circumstances, it would be a far easier and less slippery problem to deal with.

It has NOTHING to do with that.

In fact, I would say that it's not even depression if they managed to change their circumstance and get out of it. The process of escaping depression is mercurial and arbitrary at best, impossible at worst.

It is, and remains, one of the most misunderstood mental illnesses. Too many people think it's a funk caused by surrounding circumstances, ala you. And too many people think it's an excuse.

jag

 

[Bubonic]

Unlike this guy on BB.com, my cousin showed no warning signs. One day she was here, next day she was gone (gun in the mouth). No one had any idea she was feeling suicidal at all; she hid it all too well. Her suicide note only said "I've had enough.". That was it. No insight as to why she did it. She had just graduated college, landed a great job and was a very happy person. No bad boyfriend breakups. No traumatic things going on in her life. She was simply unable to communicate what was troubling her. Didn't talk to a soul about it, despite having great friends and family who would have gladly helped her. Something just snapped in her.

I find it very tragic and sad that people who, by all accounts, should be thankful and appreciative for the lives they have throw it away through suicide. It's a sign of mental illness and, unfortunately, logic goes out the window when people have problems of that kind.

jag

What are you even supposed to do in a situation like that?
From the sounds of it no one could have done anything if she was so good at hiding it.
It would of been better for her to reach out and be helped, but she didn't... So if she went on living maybe she'd of just extended the pain... I don't know what to say in cases like this... Very different then the webcam guy.

 

[jaguarr]

But it's not like that sympathy has any effect on someone who is dead

You are right. It's that sympathy, or lack thereof, that speaks volumes about the condition of the people left behind, not the person who killed themselves.

jag

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You don't know them and you are judging them arbitrarily. I don't know them and am willing to allow sympathy in risk of having egg on my face or whatever you're afraid of happening if you're wrong in giving sympathy to them.

The big difference between me and you kiddo, is that I'm a strong enough person to allow sympathy to a human being simply because they killed themselves, regardless of reason. I'm not sitting behind my computer strutting around feeling big about myself because I'm 'stronger' for never having killed myself.

I'm not trying to be bigger, I'm being honest. 100% honest. Why the hell would I try to act big on a fricking internet forum?

 

[Logan's Runt]

But it's not like that sympathy has any effect on someone who is dead

None of our emotions do. Feeling sad that your mom died doesn't bring her back, grieving does nothing. None of our emotions do anything, really. So what's your point?

 

[Erzengel]

I'm not trying to be bigger, I'm being honest. 100% honest. Why the hell would I try to act big on a fricking internet forum?

There's nothing more precious on SHH than e-cred.

I have tons of it.

 

[jaguarr]

What are you even supposed to do in a situation like that?
From the sounds of it no one could have done anything if she was so good at hiding it.
It would of been better for her to reach out and be helped, but she didn't... So if she went on living maybe she'd of just extended the pain... I don't know what to say in cases like this... Very different then the webcam guy.

Exactly. The point I was leading you to, as JL Bats quite eloquently outlines, is that people who are suicidal are suffering from a mental illness. It's very often completely unrelated to their circumstances in life in an way. They're just sick and unable to deal with it, just like a schizophrenic or someone with a bipolar disorder.

jag

 

[Logan's Runt]

I'm not trying to be bigger, I'm being honest. 100% honest. Why the hell would I try to act big on a fricking internet forum?

Then why are you repeating that you 'manned up' and 'pulled yourself out of it' and indicating that you're better than those people who deserve no sympathy because they 'just quit'? If your point isn't that you're better than them for having ridden it out, what is your point?

 

[Heretic]

Most threads jump the shark when serious discussion degrades into petty jokes. This thread is doing the opposite.

 

[JLBats]

You know what? I ain't ****ing having that you ****ing ****. I know alot about depression and mental illness. My mum was put into a place called Runwell because she was so depressed. You know why she was depressed? Because my **** of a father used to beat her. But did she try to commit suicide? No she ****ing didn't because she isn't selfish, she realized there were people who loved her to death and she also realized that **** does infact happen!! Oh man that statement you made has really ****ing pissed me off.

I wish that instead of filling you with a blind uncontrollable expletive laden rage wow it had made you think a bit about your preconceptions of the disease and your understanding of what you're talking about.

The statements YOU'RE making have really pissed ME off. If they hadn't, I wouldn't have made THAT statement.

 

[Logan's Runt]

Exactly. The point I was leading you to, as JL Bats quite eloquently outlines, is that people who are suicidal are suffering from a mental illness. It's very often completely unrelated to their circumstances in life in an way. They're just sick and unable to deal with it, just like a schizophrenic or someone with a bipolar disorder.

jag

Which is what I've been repeating, jerk. Except you said it succinctly.

 

[Bubonic]

Exactly. The point I was leading you to, as JL Bats quite eloquently outlines, is that people who are suicidal are suffering from a mental illness. It's very often completely unrelated to their circumstances in life in an way. They're just sick and unable to deal with it, just like a schizophrenic or someone with a bipolar disorder.

jag

That sucks, truly does.
But there is nothing to do in a case like that anyways.

People who make a habit of "crying suicide" are different.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think you quite understand the depression I'm talking about, dude.
The depression I'm talking about does not spring forth from situation.
So bringing up how you lived in poverty and pulled up your bootstraps really has LITTLE to do with it.

If depression for people who reach the point of suicide could be changed by a simple change of circumstances, it would be a far easier and less slippery problem to deal with.

It has NOTHING to do with that.

In fact, I would say that it's not even depression if they managed to change their circumstance and get out of it. The process of escaping depression is mercurial and arbitrary at best, impossible at worst.

It is, and remains, one of the most misunderstood mental illnesses. Too many people think it's a funk caused by surrounding circumstances, ala you. And too many people think it's an excuse.

Hmm I get your points on this one. But as you have seen in my other post I know alot about depression, and I already know what you're going to say about my mum being treated badley or whatever. But it does make a difference, that's why I was depressed aswell. Do you know what is like being a young child watching abuse and being absolutely powerless to stop it? You really want to do something but you can't, all that anger and emotions have to remained bottled up inside you. And that is one of the worst things that anyone can do, bottle up their emotions.

 

[jaguarr]

Then why are you repeating that you 'manned up' and 'pulled yourself out of it' and indicating that you're better than those people who deserve no sympathy because they 'just quit'? If your point isn't that you're better than them for having ridden it out, what is your point?

All of that actually reinforces the idea that his understanding of someone who's truly mentally imbalanced enough to kill themselves is nowhere near as deep as he'd like to think it is. Why? Because he's never been so mentally imbalanced enough that he's actually really tried to follow-through with it or been so mentally incapacitated that he couldn't actually pull himself out of that mindset. People who are truly mentally ill enough to kill themselves or seriously attempt to do so aren't in control enough of their mental faculties to pull themselves back from that brink.

jag

 

[jaguarr]

That sucks, truly does.
But there is nothing to do in a case like that anyways.

People who make a habit of "crying suicide" are different.

No they aren't. They're mentally incapacitated. They're trying to communicate what's going on with them in the only way they can through the filter of their mental illness.

jag