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Halle Berry is Top of the Class

*Dark_Phoenix* said:
see thats why i hate her so much, she does the heck she wants because (god know why) hollywood is afraid of her!! :huh: and today she feel like playing a white person so she does it!!!!!!

you're really ******ed. if you read the article it clearly states it was the producer's descsion for the role to be portrayed by halle stating that race did'nt really matter. So im really looking forward to you explaining how you got that it was halle's idea for her to replace the race of the real teacher.


you're just hating for the hell of hating.
 
hunter rider said:
Read the article properly and think for once.........plus you do realise with your history the above post is the height of hypocrisy right ?

i read the article, still don't see anything stupid about it. wow shes portraying a woman of a different race, still nothing stupid about it. and i've seen films with worser plots. i would really like to know the hypocrisy you're pointing out? seems like talking **** is the only shtick you got in your bag. i would eally like to read an informed post from you on why this film is stupid, besides your first post "sounds pretty stupid". you totally showed how great you are.
 
GoldenAgeHero said:
i read the article, still don't see anything stupid about it. wow shes portraying a woman of a different race, still nothing stupid about it. and i've seen films with worser plots. i would really like to know the hypocrisy you're pointing out? seems like talking **** is the only shtick you got in your bag. i would eally like to read an informed post from you on why this film is stupid, besides your first post "sounds pretty stupid". you totally showed how great you are.

making a biographical film and casting a woman of a different race is stupid,what next maybe cast Tom Hanks as Martin Luthor King or how about Michael Caine as Pol pot ?
As for hypocrisy you have your panties in a bunch over the fact i said this idea is stupid,not the film the casting,you spent your first 2 user names going into threads and posting "this movie will suck ass"
 
GoldenAgeHero said:
i read the article, still don't see anything stupid about it. wow shes portraying a woman of a different race, still nothing stupid about it. and i've seen films with worser plots. i would really like to know the hypocrisy you're pointing out? seems like talking **** is the only shtick you got in your bag. i would eally like to read an informed post from you on why this film is stupid, besides your first post "sounds pretty stupid". you totally showed how great you are.

Wow.

The problem is that if it was the other way around, as people pointed out, and some white woman was cast in a black role, you would have people seriously up in arms. They wanted to find the right actress? Do they not realise that there are many more white actresses than black actresses out there? No, its a publicity stunt where it will get people talking about it, maybe cause some controversy (and justly so), and it will get its attention.

I SEE SPIDEY said:
Sounds like you are racist.

Ah! The ultimate term to sling around when someone wants to be antagonistic. Good job as usual!
 
Phatman said:
First Will Smith Butchers I am Legend, Now this.

Sounds like a mix of Race the Sun and Bulworth. In RTS Halle played a schoolteacher (badly) and Bulworth was politcal satire.
But why make a movie about a white woman and have her portrayed by a black woman?
Sounds like Overrated Halle using the race card to get box office and hype now that we all know she's not a good actress *cough CINO, X3 Their eyes were watching God, Perfect Stranger Cough*

Someone must have $30-40 million to throw away. Top of the class will be at the bottom of the pile Expect a late august september release. Probably top ten worst movies next to Iam Legend and Transformers.

Halle is biracial. In the recent WTC movie, Nick Cage's character in actuality was a black man. Also, Angelina Jolie is playing Daniel Pearl's widow-who is biracial-in an upcoming picture. Was Oliver Stone or Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt playing the race card too? Something tells me that a lot of the posters bemoaning Halle being in this movie aren't so outraged about those casting decisions.
 
DarKush said:
Halle is biracial. In the recent WTC movie, Nick Cage's character in actuality was a black man.

John_mcloughlin_--_publicity_photo_from_yahoo.jpg


LOL, yeah, John's a black man alright.
 
SolidSnakeMGS said:
Wow.

The problem is that if it was the other way around, as people pointed out, and some white woman was cast in a black role, you would have people seriously up in arms. They wanted to find the right actress? Do they not realise that there are many more white actresses than black actresses out there? No, its a publicity stunt where it will get people talking about it, maybe cause some controversy (and justly so), and it will get its attention.



Ah! The ultimate term to sling around when someone wants to be antagonistic. Good job as usual!

well apparently the teacher that the film is based on, does'nt have a problem with it, until i hear a peep out of her saying shes disgusted with the film, you really can't plug it as a publicity attempt, last i check i have'nt seen any problem come of this since its anouncement. and impretty that such a premise is so broad alot of things could've been changed in the script to pass it off as an "original" screenplay. i don't smell any publicity stunt, any so called controversy will be due to the media making a big deal out of it, like it does with everything else.
 
hunter rider said:
making a biographical film and casting a woman of a different race is stupid,what next maybe cast Tom Hanks as Martin Luthor King or how about Michael Caine as Pol pot ?
As for hypocrisy you have your panties in a bunch over the fact i said this idea is stupid,not the film the casting,you spent your first 2 user names going into threads and posting "this movie will suck ass"


wow i actually thought you come up with some better argument. Last time i checked, this teacher was'nt a historical figure nor did she really do anything to push an ideal forward. all this lady did, was say hey, my students made me a bet to run for office. nothing of historical significance came from that, no one in thier right minds would do such a thing.

your argument for your opinion on the casting is racially motivated, i would've understood if you said that halle sucks as an actress, but you did'nt. Your argument was just racially motivated. yeah I've said films were going to suck, but those comment we'rent racially based. SR sucked ass and it did, at least IMO. especially when i saw that trailer. visuals looked great, but story and character developemt sucked.


this is you: this film is stupid because halle is a black lady whose character is based on a white woman. yup this is the reason why i think this film is stupid. how about basing your opinion ona film based on it's premise instead of race?
 
GoldenAgeHero said:
wow i actually thought you come up with some better argument. Last time i checked, this teacher was'nt a historical figure nor did she really do anything to push an ideal forward. all this lady did, was say hey, my students made me a bet to run for office. nothing of historical significance came from that, no one in thier right minds would do such a thing.

your argument for your opinion on the casting is racially motivated, i would've understood if you said that halle sucks as an actress, but you did'nt. Your argument was just racially motivated. yeah I've said films were going to suck, but those comment we'rent racially based. SR sucked ass and it did, at least IMO. especially when i saw that trailer. visuals looked great, but story and character developemt sucked.


this is you: this film is stupid because halle is a black lady whose character is based on a white woman. yup this is the reason why i think this film is stupid. how about basing your opinion ona film based on it's premise instead of race?

It doesn't matter if she is the worlds most famous person or a road sweeper,she is a real human being who should be portrayed accurately
It has nothing to do with racial motivation,if they did it the other way around I'd say the same thing,making biopics should involve casting the part accurately

As for you dislike of other movies,they often suck to you merely for exsisting so please don't try to pretend otherwise
 
I think Berry´s a total babe and talented actress who happened to make some pretty lousy movie choices. This sounds like your usual "inspirational" movie, nothing particularly interesting. As for the race thing, if the teacher doesn´t bother, neither do I.
 
GoldenAgeHero said:
well apparently the teacher that the film is based on, does'nt have a problem with it, until i hear a peep out of her saying shes disgusted with the film, you really can't plug it as a publicity attempt, last i check i have'nt seen any problem come of this since its anouncement. and impretty that such a premise is so broad alot of things could've been changed in the script to pass it off as an "original" screenplay. i don't smell any publicity stunt, any so called controversy will be due to the media making a big deal out of it, like it does with everything else.

Many flaws with your argument. First of all, just because she doesn't have a problem with it means exactly jack and ****. In this world, its very easy to be labelled as a racist despite not being one. If she was to have a problem with it, many people would be quick to label her as such.

Secondly, this thread has expanded to two pages just because of this issue. Hummm....smells like a form of controversy to me, albeit on a microcosm-like level. To movie producers, no publicity is bad publicity. Are you naive enough to think that producers don't do this type of thing to get awareness out about a project, especially in these desperate times (for Hollywood)? Not saying it is or isn't, just that you DO NOT KNOW that it isn't a stunt, nor do I know that it is. Just saying its a possibility.

There is nothing wrong with wanting some authenticity and attention to detail. If the woman in real life is white, cast her with a white actress, and if shes black, cast her with a black actress. That's not racism, that's just a desire to get the character as close to their real life counterpart, and anyone who says or implies otherwise is a mindless PC nazi. Had it been a black teacher, you bet your little buster browns that she would be portrayed by a black woman, lest you get a lot of angry people yelling out against the project.
 
whats with all the halle hate??????????????????

HALLE RULES!!!!!!!!!!
 
xwolverine2 said:
whats with all the halle hate??????????????????

HALLE RULES!!!!!!!!!!

You're on a Superhero board, there will always be Halle hate because of Catwoman lol.

Sounds like a good premise for a film. I'll reserve any further judgement until we have more info though.
 
DarKush said:
Made a mistake. It wasn't Cage's character. It was two of the guys who rescued Cage's character that were turned from black (reality) to white (Hollywood).

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/worldtradecenter818

It wasn't intentional. They didn't know the identity during production, but once they found out, they profusely apologized to the man. Another non-issue blown out of proportion by some whiney people.
 
SolidSnakeMGS said:
It wasn't intentional. They didn't know the identity during production, but once they found out, they profusely apologized to the man. Another non-issue blown out of proportion by some whiney people.

So, the people enraged about Halle Berry being in this movie aren't 'whiny'? As for the non-intentional issue regarding WTC, how hard is that to miss? Who was doing the research?
 
DarKush said:
So, the people enraged about Halle Berry being in this movie aren't 'whiny'?

Not really. Its intentional as opposed to unintentional with the World Trade Center snafu. Plus as was said nothing short of a hundred times, had it been the inverse with a white woman being cast for a in-real-life black character, there certainly would be very vocal opposition. It's a double standard that exists.

Secondly, as also been pointed out numerous times, she's a pretty mediocre actress.

This isn't a fictional character, this is someone in real life. What the hell is wrong with doing something as minor as getting the race of the person right?

As for the non-intentional issue regarding WTC, how hard is that to miss? Who was doing the research?

From wiki:

The film's producers realized the mistake only after production began, and apologized to Thomas, whose identity had not been widely known for years after Sept. 11.

Obviously they didn't put as much research or attention to detail in this movie as opposed to United 93, so mix ups like this aren't unexpected, although probably unintentional.
 
SolidSnakeMGS said:
Not really. Its intentional as opposed to unintentional with the World Trade Center snafu. Plus as was said nothing short of a hundred times, had it been the inverse with a white woman being cast for a in-real-life black character, there certainly would be very vocal opposition. It's a double standard that exists.

Secondly, as also been pointed out numerous times, she's a pretty mediocre actress.

This isn't a fictional character, this is someone in real life. What the hell is wrong with doing something as minor as getting the race of the person right?



From wiki:

The film's producers realized the mistake only after production began, and apologized to Thomas, whose identity had not been widely known for years after Sept. 11.

Obviously they didn't put as much research or attention to detail in this movie as opposed to United 93, so mix ups like this aren't unexpected, although probably unintentional.

Probably unintentional? Just like we have the explanation that Halle was the best actress for this role, (and perhaps has the name recognition to get this film made and distributed). We only have their word for both explanations, and you can take it for what its worth. Halle is biracial-part white. Angelina Jolie to my knowledge is fully white, but will be potraying a biracial woman (Daniel Pearl's widow) and I don't see the outrage.

If Halle is 'mediocre' as you say, Angelina isn't? I think both of them rely on their great looks a lot instead of acting chops in too many of their movies. And so do a lot of other actors and actresses. However, I do think that they are both talented-if given the right material, smaller dramas as opposed to blockbuster films.

Back to the 'double standard'. I saw/read a lot of opposition to MCD getting the nod as Kingpin-a fictional character-but zero for Rachel Weisz who was revealed as Queen Neferititi (who was a real person, a real black person) in the Mummy Returns for example. There has been a long history of white people portraying non-white characters (John Wayne as Genghis Khan???) and roles that goes back far longer than MCD or Halle getting this role, and there's no outcry from white-I'm assuming white- people about that.

I think the larger issue is some white folks feel under siege, and can actually believe that Halle-i.e 'blacks' are gaining something here with this casting at their expense. It's ironically a kind of victim mentality that some conservatives are quick to say liberal black people are afflicted with. The poster who said that Hollywood is scared of Halle comes to mind. I think that's crap. The only reason Halle got her Oscar was for her being Billy Bob's sex toy. (Just like Denzel got the Oscar for being a gangsta cop, instead of the many other great, and better roles he's played. That whole Oscar show came off as a backhanded compliment IMO, but that's another story) Back to Halle...

Catwoman bombed, the proposed Jinx movie went nowhere and her 'increased screentime' in X3 amounted to very little, and is perhaps her last role in an X-film. She's on a lot of magazine covers, and her biracial-'exotic'-look is palatable to the majority (white and black), but how does that equate to power?

Halle is one of a handful of black actors/actresses on the A-list, but Hollywood for the most part is still controlled by white people-in front and behind the camera. Also, white audiences-while more receptive than in times past-still don't support films with majority black casts or 'subject matter', even though some-like Hotel Rwanda-might get critical raves.
 
DarKush said:
Also, Angelina Jolie is playing Daniel Pearl's widow-who is biracial-in an upcoming picture. Was Oliver Stone or Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt playing the race card too? Something tells me that a lot of the posters bemoaning Halle being in this movie aren't so outraged about those casting decisions.

They aren't. Plus, I love how the casting announcement for Halle's movie makes a point of the fact that the real-life person is a white woman, but there was no such acknowledgement of the fact that Daniel Pearl's widow is biracial when Jolie was announced(if anyone hasn't already seen the photo of Jolie as Mariane Pearl, here ya go: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=16898 ). It's rarely an issue of the character in question is played by a white person.

Going back to Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, look at Spawn. Not only is Terry Fitzgerald supposed to be black, he's named after a black man Todd McFarlane actually knows! I can accept the change in the case of Duncan, because your pickings for a white man of Kingpin's body type, with the necessary acting ability were considerably slim. Terry Fitzgerald just needed to be a dude with an average built in his mid to late 30s. The idea that they couldn't find a decent black actor for that role is ridiculous. Not to mention changing Chapel into a white WOMAN, named Priest. Granted, it was a treat to see Melinda Clark while she still had a nice rack.

And while I agree, the idea that they couldn't find a white actress to play this teacher, I do think it's further proof of the double standard DarKush is talking about.
 
KenK said:
They aren't. Plus, I love how the casting announcement for Halle's movie makes a point of the fact that the real-life person is a white woman, but there was no such acknowledgement of the fact that Daniel Pearl's widow is biracial when Jolie was announced(if anyone hasn't already seen the photo of Jolie as Mariane Pearl, here ya go: http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=16898 ). It's rarely an issue of the character in question is played by a white person.

Going back to Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin, look at Spawn. Not only is Terry Fitzgerald supposed to be black, he's named after a black man Todd McFarlane actually knows! I can accept the change in the case of Duncan, because your pickings for a white man of Kingpin's body type, with the necessary acting ability were considerably slim. Terry Fitzgerald just needed to be a dude with an average built in his mid to late 30s. The idea that they couldn't find a decent black actor for that role is ridiculous. Not to mention changing Chapel into a white WOMAN, named Priest. Granted, it was a treat to see Melinda Clark while she still had a nice rack.

And while I agree, the idea that they couldn't find a white actress to play this teacher, I do think it's further proof of the double standard DarKush is talking about.

Well I'm sure they could've found a white actress to play the role Halle got. But for whatever reasons-Halle being the best fit for the role in the producers minds, stunt casting, or an experiment in 'colorblind' casting, I just find it funny that some people see double standards or whining when blacks, or other non-white, or white people might take issue with casting choices, but see no double standard when they do the same thing. Then it's 'legitimate'.

KenK I also agree with you about Spawn. I read once that McFarlane changed Terry to a white character to get more money from the studio. And Chapel got replaced with Priest. He said the studio told him that a 'predominately' black cast would be a 'black' movie and he would get less money so he did what he had to do, or thought he had had to do, to get his film made. But there was no major fanboy outcry over that.

SolidSnake, back to the 'snafu' of the WTC casting. I think it's far more relevant than Halle's casting because of the historical importance of WTC and the multi-racial examples of heroism and patriotism that occurred on 9/11 and in its aftermath. WTC will be seen by a lot of people-in America and the world over, and might impact how they see or remember 9/11-similar to how a lot of people were impacted/influenced by JFK-and for this real example of blacks, whites, Latinos,etc. coming together to get whitewashed on film is a sad thing, more than a 'snafu' in my opinion. Unfortunately a lot of people do regard what they see on TV or in films as the truth or being a close enough account of it, and Oliver Stone erred significantly.
 
DarKush said:
Probably unintentional? Just like we have the explanation that Halle was the best actress for this role, (and perhaps has the name recognition to get this film made and distributed). We only have their word for both explanations, and you can take it for what its worth. Halle is biracial-part white. Angelina Jolie to my knowledge is fully white, but will be potraying a biracial woman (Daniel Pearl's widow) and I don't see the outrage.

There has been very little released about A Mighty Heart (the movie with Jolie as Pearl). They JUST released a picture of her recently, in fact. Whose to say there won't be outrage, and you're assuming people are fine with that casting just to support your argument. I think casting opposite races for roles is just about always wrong in an accuracy way, and its no different with either movie for me.

Would you have a problem if people were outraged over Jolie's casting?

If Halle is 'mediocre' as you say, Angelina isn't? I think both of them rely on their great looks a lot instead of acting chops in too many of their movies. And so do a lot of other actors and actresses. However, I do think that they are both talented-if given the right material, smaller dramas as opposed to blockbuster films.

Just a preference. I don't really see much past Halle as being anything other than an ok actress, but there is a lot of potential in Jolie. She's a good actress, but she has yet to really show it.

Back to the 'double standard'. I saw/read a lot of opposition to MCD getting the nod as Kingpin-a fictional character-but zero for Rachel Weisz who was revealed as Queen Neferititi (who was a real person, a real black person) in the Mummy Returns for example. There has been a long history of white people portraying non-white characters (John Wayne as Genghis Khan???) and roles that goes back far longer than MCD or Halle getting this role, and there's no outcry from white-I'm assuming white- people about that.

There most certainly was an outcry about Wayne playing Genghis Khan, and the movie's financial and critical bomb was further testiment to that. Using this going 'far back' argument is pretty pointless as well, as race relations back then were quite different than now.

I never paid attention to The Mummy, so I can't speak about that.
And besides, Nefertiti wasn't BLACK, she was Egyptian. And there is a difference. Its a shame people assume African = Black, and fail to consider Egypt's location near to middle eastern territory and the effect that had on Egypt's racial make-up.

I think the larger issue is some white folks feel under siege, and can actually believe that Halle-i.e 'blacks' are gaining something here with this casting at their expense. It's ironically a kind of victim mentality that some conservatives are quick to say liberal black people are afflicted with. The poster who said that Hollywood is scared of Halle comes to mind. I think that's crap. The only reason Halle got her Oscar was for her being Billy Bob's sex toy. (Just like Denzel got the Oscar for being a gangsta cop, instead of the many other great, and better roles he's played. That whole Oscar show came off as a backhanded compliment IMO, but that's another story) Back to Halle...

Oh boy. Tin foil hat time. :whatever: Brando got an Oscar for playing a mafiaso don, Hopkins got an Oscar for playing a cold-blooded killer, Cage got an Oscar for being a loser alcoholic, Douglas got an Oscar for being a cold-blooded Wall Street exec, De Niro got an Oscar for being a dim-witted, prone-to-violence boxer, etc, etc. So don't give me this crap about Washington getting it because he's a gangster cop because its nothing more than paranoia. And Halle Berry may have been Bob's "sex toy", but last time I remember, that movie wasn't a porno or a long string of sex scenes. Looks like you're the one giving the backhanded comment once again to support your angsty opinion.

Catwoman bombed, the proposed Jinx movie went nowhere and her 'increased screentime' in X3 amounted to very little, and is perhaps her last role in an X-film. She's on a lot of magazine covers, and her biracial-'exotic'-look is palatable to the majority (white and black), but how does that equate to power?

Now you're bringing up a set of crappy movies? You must be desperate. What does the quality of those movies have to do with this argument? In case you haven't seen Catwoman, it was a retched pile of crap, and with X3's short running time and lengthy character list, VERY FEW PEOPLE got much of screen time.

Halle is one of a handful of black actors/actresses on the A-list, but Hollywood for the most part is still controlled by white people-in front and behind the camera. Also, white audiences-while more receptive than in times past-still don't support films with majority black casts or 'subject matter', even though some-like Hotel Rwanda-might get critical raves.

Considering films with 'majority black casts' are aimed at black people, how are white people supposed to support them, or honestly why would they need to support them? Yes, whites control the cameras, but they're also 70% of the population, so it's more of a statistical anamoly than a racial one, which I am sure disappoints you.

SolidSnake, back to the 'snafu' of the WTC casting. I think it's far more relevant than Halle's casting because of the historical importance of WTC and the multi-racial examples of heroism and patriotism that occurred on 9/11 and in its aftermath. WTC will be seen by a lot of people-in America and the world over, and might impact how they see or remember 9/11-similar to how a lot of people were impacted/influenced by JFK-and for this real example of blacks, whites, Latinos,etc. coming together to get whitewashed on film is a sad thing, more than a 'snafu' in my opinion. Unfortunately a lot of people do regard what they see on TV or in films as the truth or being a close enough account of it, and Oliver Stone erred significantly.

Of course you think that. :whatever: Interesting that this got soo much flak despite the fact that it was an honest mistake. See, there is a difference. People are ok with changing a white character to black, but not vice versa. Where was the outrage of changing the Kramden family's race in that dreadful Honeymooner's remake? Now make an all white Jefferson's remake and you'll get quite an outcry, and you're an idiot of you think otherwise.

It was a mistake and from what I read, one that was hard to avoid. They apologized and made amends. What more do you want? For them to refilm the movie? Insert a CGI black man into the movie? Get over it and move on!
 
SolidSnakeMGS said:
There has been very little released about A Mighty Heart (the movie with Jolie as Pearl). They JUST released a picture of her recently, in fact. Whose to say there won't be outrage, and you're assuming people are fine with that casting just to support your argument. I think casting opposite races for roles is just about always wrong in an accuracy way, and its no different with either movie for me.

Would you have a problem if people were outraged over Jolie's casting?

I could care less if people were outraged over Jolie's casting. Same with Halle. The larger issue of me is that people go ape**** when this news about Halle is reported, and this board was the first I had heard about it, and I've read about Jolie's movie at least a couple weeks ago. And I don't remember seeing anybody bemoaning that decision.



Just a preference. I don't really see much past Halle as being anything other than an ok actress, but there is a lot of potential in Jolie. She's a good actress, but she has yet to really show it.

You might could say the same for Halle. I think she does all right in smaller, more dramatic roles-Losing Isaiah, Introducing Dorothy Dandridge for example, but she seems to disappear in the larger, more glossier films.


There most certainly was an outcry about Wayne playing Genghis Khan, and the movie's financial and critical bomb was further testiment to that. Using this going 'far back' argument is pretty pointless as well, as race relations back then were quite different than now.

The point I was trying to make here is that there has been a long history of this racial swapping of roles, and the majority of that has been done by white people. I don't think the argument is pointless at all esp. when people wail like this type of thing has never been done before regarding whites taking on the roles of non-whites. They act like this Halle thing is new and it isn't.

I never paid attention to The Mummy, so I can't speak about that.
And besides, Nefertiti wasn't BLACK, she was Egyptian. And there is a difference. Its a shame people assume African = Black, and fail to consider Egypt's location near to middle eastern territory and the effect that had on Egypt's racial make-up.

Egypt is in Africa hello. Egypt was a multi-racial civilization, but it had black rulers at various points and black hands were a part of developing Egypt. White, and probably Arab, historians, aided by Hollywood,etc. have done a good job of whitewashing that history. Nefertiti was black. Look at her statues, pictures. She looks more like Iman than Rachel Weisz.


Oh boy. Tin foil hat time. :whatever: Brando got an Oscar for playing a mafiaso don, Hopkins got an Oscar for playing a cold-blooded killer, Cage got an Oscar for being a loser alcoholic, Douglas got an Oscar for being a cold-blooded Wall Street exec, De Niro got an Oscar for being a dim-witted, prone-to-violence boxer, etc, etc. So don't give me this crap about Washington getting it because he's a gangster cop because its nothing more than paranoia. And Halle Berry may have been Bob's "sex toy", but last time I remember, that movie wasn't a porno or a long string of sex scenes. Looks like you're the one giving the backhanded comment once again to support your angsty opinion.

I'm entitled to my 'angsty' opinion just like you. :yay:



Now you're bringing up a set of crappy movies? You must be desperate. What does the quality of those movies have to do with this argument? In case you haven't seen Catwoman, it was a retched pile of crap, and with X3's short running time and lengthy character list, VERY FEW PEOPLE got much of screen time.

The point here is to refute one of your fellow travellers that Halle has some stranglehold on Hollywood execs and that she has forced her way onto this picture. She is a 'star', but her track record is spotty, and it's debatable how much pull she really has. I doubt it's equal to the amount of magazine covers she's on.



Considering films with 'majority black casts' are aimed at black people, how are white people supposed to support them, or honestly why would they need to support them? Yes, whites control the cameras, but they're also 70% of the population, so it's more of a statistical anamoly than a racial one, which I am sure disappoints you.

White people can support them by paying to see them or watching them on TV just like black people do for shows/movies with majority white casts. Of course the mainstream media never calls such shows or movies, 'white' or 'Euro-American' shows or movies.



Of course you think that. :whatever: Interesting that this got soo much flak despite the fact that it was an honest mistake. See, there is a difference. People are ok with changing a white character to black, but not vice versa. Where was the outrage of changing the Kramden family's race in that dreadful Honeymooner's remake? Now make an all white Jefferson's remake and you'll get quite an outcry, and you're an idiot of you think otherwise.

Some people are okay with changing characters from white to black, and some aren't. Will Smith got some flak for portraying Jim West and the movie was panned. The Honeymooners changeover didn't do anything to reflect in its box office, etc. I think sometimes changing a character is fine if it fits the story, but usually I think a lot of the suits just want to show how 'diverse' they are and place a black, brown, or yellow face on a character to be 'contemporary' or 'hip.' Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.

Some characters-white, black, yellow, brown, red-are easier to switch. Some, like the Jeffersons-one of the big selling points of which were they were a black family moving to an upperclass, predominately white apartment aren't. So much of the Jefferson's humor was based on racial stereotypes, jokes, assumptions, etc.

It was a mistake and from what I read, one that was hard to avoid. They apologized and made amends. What more do you want? For them to refilm the movie? Insert a CGI black man into the movie? Get over it and move on!

Move on? Of course. Whenever a fanboy vents, but someone responds to him/her, you always get that 'it's just a movie or TV show' and then 'move on'. I didn't make this thread. I merely made a comment. You responded to it. It got me thinking so I made additional post. How exactly did the WTC movie people make amends? Are they going to put a picture at the end of the film of the real heroes? Are they going to at least mention them in the rolling credits or at the beginning? Will there be a disclaimer that the characters in the movie have been changed? I'm curious.

Forgive the way I did this post. I hope it's understandable.
 

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