Harley Quinn Girl-Gang Movie Based on "Birds of Prey"

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Storm is a main character in the X-Men but she’s not vieeed with much significance outside of that. If you think she’s got as much relevance as Harley Quinn you are seriously deluding yourself.

It hasn’t flopped though, the films have mostly been financial hits and Wonder Woman has been a smash.

Storm has more pop cultural relevance than Harley Quinn.

She is literally the biggest female superhero icon to an entire RACE of people. I can't believe people are this clueless or uniformed.

Go out and start talking to black people and African-Americans and find out how big a deal Storm actually is.

 

[Erzengel]

Harley Quinn was the most popular Halloween costume in 2016 and shared it with WW in 2017. I don't think Storm was ever that popular.

 

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Harley Quinn was the most popular Halloween costume in 2016 and shared it with WW in 2017. I don't think Storm was ever that popular.

Again, Storm is an icon to an entire RACE of people and young girls. And has been for many years. Some vague stats about Halloween costumes cannot compete with that.

 

[jmc]

I’d say Storm is one of the most prominent Marvel women, but more because of her being in a team than on an individual level.

 

[Erzengel]

I'm not going to paint myself in a corner by asking for proof of Storm's popularity because I'm sure somewhere on the internet is an article about how Storm is a role model or icon but regardless that doesn't necessarily equatable to be being popular and more recognizable.

 

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Their name recognition comes from the fact they’ve had prominent roles as individuals outside of thier male counterparts. There’s a reason few people know who Wonder Girl, Aqualad and Kid Flash are. Barbara and Kara are probably the two most prominent female heroes outside of Wonder Woman, and maybe Catwoman depending on where you think she stands as a hero.

Again, most of the general public do not know or care who is underneath the Batgirl mask. That is the difference with the guys. They know Batman is Bruce Wayne. They know Superman is Clark Kent.

They managed to give Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl a completely made up civilian identity for Batman And Robin...and the general public did not blink an eyelid.

 

[Knight-Tale]

The only popular marvel female characters are X-Ladies
Its not surprising seeing as Black Widow has just been collecting dust this entire time in the MCU

Harley Quinn and Wonder Woman are the only female characters at DC worth a lick currently and even then that's because DC has a take turns mentality with who to push.
In the 90s after Batman 89 Catwoman was obviously way bigger than both
Nowadays not so much

 

[jmc]

Again, most of the general public do not know or care who is underneath the Batgirl mask. That is the difference with the guys. They know Batman is Bruce Wayne. They know Superman is Clark Kent.

They managed to give Alicia Silverstone's Batgirl a completely made up civilian identity for Batman And Robin...and the general public did not blink an eyelid.

She was collectively seen a terrible so I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. You’re reducing Barbara Gordon to the mask as if she herself isn’t important. Whether you like it or not Barbara is important to not just the Bat mythology, she’s important to Cassandra Cain’s very existence.

 

[Knight-Tale]

Only characters necessary for Cass Cain to exist
Batman and Lady Shiva
Everyone else is just that extra flavor

I want to know more about the story now though. Margot described this as a girl gang movie so I'm assuming its a female ensemble but with the characters listed its hard to see any of them hanging out with Harley.

 

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Only characters necessary for Cass Cain to exist
Batman and Lady Shiva
Everyone else is just that extra flavor

Exactly. Barbara Gordon fans can be a bit hysterical. They think the character is a lot more important than she actually is.

And I love Babs as Oracle...but perspective people!

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Storm has more pop cultural relevance than Harley Quinn.

She is literally the biggest female superhero icon to an entire RACE of people. I can't believe people are this clueless or uniformed.

Go out and start talking to black people and African-Americans and find out how big a deal Storm actually is.

I'm just smh as I read. It's ridiculous to say Storm is not as relevant as Harley.

Hell even though they do her wrong in the movies, one of the main topic of conversations IS how to correctly depict her. She's always being talked about and relevant.

Now if they were to say Harley is eclipsing Catwoman, then yeah I'd agree. But Storm will always be bigger than Harley Quinn.

 

[MbJ]

Storm's notable enough that friggin' Beyonce dressed as her for Halloween.

Prior to Black Panther's massive boom in popularity she was probably Marvel's most recognizable black superhero.

 

[Abudefduf]

In the last few years Harley Quinn has appeared in the successful Suicide Squad, the acclaimed Arkham games and in that money-making behemoth that is the DC Superhero Girls franchise.

What does Storm's recent resume include? Apocalypse? Popular characters falling out of favor is nothing new, and the X-Men are definitely not as popular as they used to be.

Storm is iconic in pop culture (She's been huge since the cartoons and even the Marvel vs Capcom video games). She's just been underutilised in the movies (which should change with the Disney accquistion). I'd say Jubilee and Rogue were also iconic in pop culture because of the 90's cartoon, but the movies did not do enough with them.

Jean Grey/Phoenix is iconic. Mystique, thanks to being overused in the Fox X-men films is iconic. Black Widow is iconic thanks to Avengers and ScarJo. Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers is on the verge of becoming a Wonder Woman level icon thanks to her movie and big push by Marvel.

Spider-Woman and She-Hulk have similar name recognition to some of DC's female spin-off characters. If either if them got prominent roles in the movies, they could probably become big icons fairly fast.

I think characters like Shuri from Black Panther and Gamora from Guardians Of The Galaxy now have have more iconic status than a lot of DC characters in pop culture. They don't have catchy superhero code names like the DC females, but right now they matter to people more.

Most of these characters are recognizable but I wouldn't call any of them "iconic".

 

[blackdragon6]

God I would love to see Renee Montoya as the question in a movie

Tbh i want to see the JLU version adapted. His movie could be like X-Files meets Rubicon or something like that.

 

[blackdragon6]

the X-Men are definitely not as popular as they used to be.

I would argue it only seems that way. A strong relaunch that focus on an actual team, and not the trifecta of Magneto, Mystique, and Xavier (and Wolverine) could VERY easily put them back on top. FOX was very conservative with the franchise, and singer constantly filtered them through LGBT issues and nothing else.

 

[Juan1193]

I think Storm is iconic, along with Jean Grey and Mystique, but those are probably the only icons Marvel has in regards to females. DC just pushes their roster of females better imo, which shows when you look at Super Hero Girls and the Disney Princess level of money that franchise makes. I'm excited for the new show, even if it's not aimed at me (Jessica Cruz baby!!).

 

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In the last few years Harley Quinn has appeared in the successful Suicide Squad, the acclaimed Arkham games and in that money-making behemoth that is the DC Superhero Girls franchise.

What does Storm's recent resume include? Apocalypse? Popular characters falling out of favor is nothing new, and the X-Men are definitely not as popular as they used to be.

Most of these characters are recognizable but I wouldn't call any of them "iconic".

Storm remains iconic, even if the X-Men are not as gigantic as they used to be. Storm is a legendary X-men character, along with Cyclops, Wolverine, Professor X and Magneto. And the entire BLACK RACE isn't going to discard Storm as their premiere female Superhero icon, because X-Men comic sales aren't what they were in the Jim Lee era. Storm has too much cultural relevance to too many people to be susceptible to shifting tides. She's a permanent icon in many ways like Wonder Woman ( though not as big as her). Wonder Woman has gone many years where she might not seem relevant, or has low sales..But She's always up there as an icon.

And honestly, DC fans get carried away. Harley Quinn seems more popular than she is because cosplayers (geek fans) are obsessed with her. In the real world, Suicide Squad might have made money, but it wasn't considered good and is not a.movie that makes anyone a true, lasting icon. Harley Quinn has potential (especially with a charismatic star like Margo Robbie wanting to play her as long as she can), but she's not there quite as big with general audiuences yet as some would like to believe.

 

[atomicbattery]

In the last few pages, a poster has called Barbara Gordon ‘some redhead in a wheelchair’, and ‘just another woman in a costume. It’s not like she has some outsize personality. Or insane sex appeal. Or Shiva/Cass level martial arts skills. She’s pretty regular.’
Also, ‘Barbara Gordon’s Batgirl origin is basically she was just some Librarian inspired by Batman. That’s it. Basic as hell’, and only became beloved ‘when Joker shot her’, and ‘a Librarian in a mask’.

The poster then characterized Barbara Gordon fans as ‘pretty self centered’ and ‘a bit hysterical’.

People who are completely lacking any self awareness are amusing.

 

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What are people going to say when the Black Widow movie and Captain Marvel outgross the Justice League movie? And I'd bet money that they both will.

Will people try to claim they aren't iconic, because DC smooshes all it's female characters into one movie?

I'm sort of looking forward to the excuses when Black Widow and Captain Marvel solos hit.

 

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In the last few pages, a poster has called Barbara Gordon ‘some redhead in a wheelchair’, and ‘just another woman in a costume. It’s not like she has some outsize personality. Or insane sex appeal. Or Shiva/Cass level martial arts skills. She’s pretty regular.’
Also, ‘Barbara Gordon’s Batgirl origin is basically she was just some Librarian inspired by Batman. That’s it. Basic as hell’, and only became beloved ‘when Joker shot her’, and ‘a Librarian in a mask’.

The poster then characterized Barbara Gordon fans as ‘pretty self centered’ and ‘a bit hysterical’.

People who are completely lacking any self awareness are amusing.

Hey, I like Barbara Gordon (mainly as Oracle though). Sorry if you got a bit sensitive over my comments. But y'know....She's not real.

Do you see me crying when a poster says Cassandra Cain has 56 fans.LOL!

I just take it in my stride....because Cassandra isn't real. And I know that's just saltiness talking because Cassandra made it into a movie and their favourite didn't.

 

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I would argue it only seems that way. A strong relaunch that focus on an actual team, and not the trifecta of Magneto, Mystique, and Xavier (and Wolverine) could VERY easily put them back on top. FOX was very conservative with the franchise, and singer constantly filtered them through LGBT issues and nothing else.

Quoted For Truth

 

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Storm's notable enough that friggin' Beyonce dressed as her for Halloween.

Prior to Black Panther's massive boom in popularity she was probably Marvel's most recognizable black superhero.

Exactly. So many fans live in a bubble. Beyonce herself is arguably the most iconic pop star in the world right now. Certainly of her generation.

And she's dressing up as Storm. And I doubt Beyonce even gives a damn about comic books or comic book characters in general. She's never struck me as someone into geek stuff. Yet she's cosplaying as Storm.

That's what Storm means to black people. Especially black females. And they number in the billions.

 

[Erzengel]

Exactly. So many fans live in a bubble. Beyonce herself is arguably the most iconic pop star in the world right now. Certainly of her generation.

And she's dressing up as Storm. And I doubt Beyonce even gives a damn about comic books or comic book characters in general. Yet she's cosplaying as Storm.

That's what Storm means to black people. Especially black females. And they number in the billions.

Just for clarification there are over 7 billion people in this World. Africa itself has 1.25 billion people. There are are 37 million black people just in United States. Still it's not in the billion(s).

Also, we can't take seriously that Harley Quinn based on several articles had the most popular costume in terms of sales in the past few years as anything concrete but Beyonce as Storm should be taken as a hard fact?

 

[MbJ]

Iconic is kind of a meaningless argument anyway. We now live in a world where a movie starring Black Panther utterly annihilated the likes of Batman and Superman, and where Doctor Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy beat the crap out of the Justice League. There are definitely arguments that could be made on the individual basis of the character selection, but "iconic" isn't really gonna matter to most people.

What does Storm's recent resume include? Apocalypse?

The fact that Storm is still so recognizable despite the overall lack of prominence of the X-Men the past decade just proves my point. For entire generations of people (especially black people) she's very well known. The X-Men TV show is still one of the iconic all-time pieces of superhero media.

 

[atomicbattery]

In what is likely a vain attempt to get this thread back to some sort of sane conversation about the Harley Girl Gang Movie, I think it may be pretty big news that Greg Berlanti is developing Batwoman for the CW.
Since everything Berlanti touches seems to make it to air, I think it probably would be considered a bit confusing to have two different characters with red hair, capes and cowls on the big and small screen.
I think this is maybe a clue that, following Harley’s Girl Gang, the proposed Batgirl film my well feature Cassandra Cain.