ANTHONYNASTI said:
That may have been the point of Raiders, but there was no arc whatsoever in Temple.
Remember one of the last lines of Temple? "Yes, I see its power now". Before, the Shankara stones were just some worthless rocks. So yes, the arc is in Temple as well, and even more prevailent than in Raiders.
Naive? Hardly. What makes Indy so special is that he isn't some typical B- movie action adventurer. He's given depth, he's not just some 2 - D cutout action hero, and this is most apparent in Last Crusade. Spielberg and Lucas did an incredible job at making him seem like a real character.
Well, he was already a real character to me. The movies were always about the quests for me, and how Indy deals with them. THAT'S the appeal, not backstory. We don't necessarily need to know more about Indy to make his quests better or more exciting. That's the whole point of that style of B-movie; we do not slow down to learn more about the character, its all about moving forward and seeing how the character deals with the obstacles of the PRESENT.
I don't think the whole father elements and backstory and all that was bad. You and Stewie are really taking me out of context. I just think as a result, the movie isn't as good as Raiders or Temple, which both were solid action movies. This movie strays, and as a result, isn't as high up on the quality scale.
There wasn't anything butcher with Marcus. He was given no development at all in Raiders. You're basing your opinion of that one line in Raiders. Marcus actually has development in Radiers. We learn his connection to Indy, and while he may have been used for comic relief, he still served more of a purpose than he did in Raiders.
Well, that one line is still pretty important. I guess you mean to say Marcus has development in Crusade. How so? All he does is get captured by the Germans, stumbles around, tries to rescue Henry Sr and gets captured again, and then stumbles around some more. I don't see any character development at all. It's pure comedic relief, at the expense of building his character from Raiders from the foundation it set with that line that implied he was once an adventurer the same as Indy.
In fact, in Raiders, he seems to be a very educated man, as evidenced from what he says and his apparently high position in the school campus at the near-beginning of the film. In Crusade, he doesn't exhibit ANY of this intelligence, does he? It almost doesn't seem like the same character.
And I certainly don't remember any connection established to Indy in Last Crusade.
Couldn't disagree more. For me, it's easily the best. The action is by far the most entetaining. The boat chase? The plane chase? The fight on the tank? All incredibly entertaining, well shot, well choreographed and exciting. The pacing is excellent, it's a breeze for me to watch. There's never a dull moment. Every scene is worth watching.
Can you honestly say that Crusade has better action than Raiders? I hope not, as Raiders was extremely exhilerating, and puts ANY action sequence in Last Crusade to shame. Again, not to say the action in Crusade wasn't good, it just wasn't anything next to Raiders. Not only that, it didn't have as many action sequences either.
Sorry, but a fight on top of (and underneath) a flying wing is much more entertaining than a motorcycle or boat chase, which we can see in any old action movie on cable. If you look at Last Crusade, most of the action pieces are derivative of the action pieces from Raiders, only not as good. And can you honestly say that the extremely exciting opening hook from Raiders wasn't as good as the rehash temple tromp at the end of Last Crusade? Indy riding a horse, capturing a truck, getting thrown off, and recapturing it is one of the best action scenes in film history. And while the tank sequence in Last Crusade was very good, its obviously very inspired from the desert chase, but nowhere near as good.
Anway, despite my valiant efforts, you'll probably be unconvinced by my argument.
Of course I am not going to change my opinion. I've felt this way for a very long time, and I know a lot of people feel the same way. I thought Last Crusade was the best when I was a kid, but when I saw it recently back to back with the rest of the trilogy, it wasn't as exciting nor as fun as the first two. I can see how my view that Temple is better is debateable, but if you look at ratings and reviews, most people's opinion is that Raiders is the best.