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Has pop-culture stagnated?

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I was thinking that pop-culture really hasn't changed in the last fifteen years or so. A little, but not nearly as much as it used to change during previous intervals of time. Compare 1998 to 2013. Most changes are related to technology (like social media, streaming movies or smart-phones) or are geopolitical/economic in nature. But clothes, music, slang and other cultural hallmarks are more or less the same. Now compare how different 1998 was to 1983. Or 1983 to 1968. Or 1968 to 1953. And so on.

The hit animated shows in the late 90's were Simpsons, Family Guy and South Park.... Much like today. People wore clothes in the late 90's and early 00's that wouldn't be seen as ridiculous today. In fact, at 31, I still have a couple sweatshirts I bought when I was 18 or 19. And music hasn't gone through any great changes. Rap-rock may be a little out, but there's nothing that really distinguishes the late 90's and early 00's from today, in contrast to grunge which is immediately linked to the early 90's or disco which is late 70's. Most musicians from back then are still in the game, releasing new albums periodically. Eminem is still doing gang-busters. Some faces have changed. Now we have Katie Perry and One Direction, and back then we had Britney Spears and N'Sync, but sonically there's not much difference.

Movie franchises that began over a decade ago, like the 'Fast & Furious' franchise are still going strong (or at least it was until the tragic death of Paul Walker). Even the most bankable videogame franchises of today, like Halo and GTA, or the main companies backing them, Microsoft and Sony, are the same players as a decade ago. A decade before that it was Sega and Nintendo and everything was Sonic verse Mario.

Even slang hasn't really changed all that much. Okay, a little with annoying new venacular like "Yolo" and "selfies", but the slang that was used in the late 90's hasn't been pushed out either.

I'm not saying the WORLD hasn't changed a lot. Obviously it has. And even Americans have changed in terms of their reliance on technology and being more accepting of things they didn't used to be, like gay marriage and recreational marijuana use. But on a purely surface level, America looks almost the same as it did almost two decades ago. It doesn't really bother me, but it does make me wonder if we've kind of reached a point where there's nowhere to really go with television, music, clothing or other cultural trends.
 
I wouldn't say that there's nowhere for pop-culture to go. I mean we're talking about culturally popular art, and art is ever shifting and changing and transitioning.

I remember when hipsterism was just a thing a handful of people were doing and now (it seems to me anyway) its probably THE dominant trend. Although you're right, a person can wear what they were wearing in the 90s which I basically do and they wouldn't be too out of place with today's fashion.

I honestly think with music at least its corporate control that's kept popular music stagnant. It's corporate media that controls charts and shoves the One Direction's and the Bieber's down our throats. It's corporate media that has reality shows that practically deify the idea of being a five minute pop sensation.

It's hard for original indie groups to get noticed in today's climate when there's so much to compete against.

If Nirvana were an emerging group now, how would anyone even know who they are? You'd never see their music videos on the tv.
 
Stagnated is one of those terms I'd use sparingly. It's changed though I've noticed myself the older you get the less you notice some of the nuances.

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, etc. have all sprung up in the past decade and with them changed the face of the internet. The music industry I've never paid a lot of attention to but it's changed as well. Not as drastically lately but that's a long-term trend coming to fruition (seriously, they've literally tuned music to a science).

Though I wouldn't say we've plateaued it does feel like we're less distinct in this decade than the last, we're still only 3 years into it so there's plenty of time for any bleedover from the 2000-10 era to fall to the wayside.
 
I remember reading an article once that talked about how nothing we hear or see nowadays is fresh, it's all recycled. There's nothing "new" that comes out (unless you count dub-step for music, and I consider that to be the musical equivalent of dial-up internet). Technology now plays a huge factor in music and movies, as does social media, but I don't feel like that's different than what we had before. It just seems to make it more obvious that our pop-culture world hasn't changed much.

I guess it does feel stagnant. You kind of get the feel for that when you turn off the music while driving (it's like a jackhammer in your head) or turn off the TV because the same useless crap is on it.
 
I wouldn't say stagnated. Remember, they do say that the first two or some odd years of a decade is layover from the previous. It's about to be 2014. This decade of pop culture is just fine-tuning its identity.
 
In the movie The Matrix, Morpheus explains the year 1999 was chosen as the template for our society in the future, so I think this was an elaborate explanation of the truth. Just replace machines with really smart people.

I like this template. Using the 50's, 60's, 70's or 80's would've gotten old quick which is probably why there was an upgrade every 10 years. Looking back it's clear why those decades needed a limited shelf life.

1999 was the culmination of a work in progress.
 
No you JJJ :D yes pop culture. As I get older the less patience I have with it all. I don't care who's having a baby, who's getting a divorce, who cut their hair. Just shut your mouths and aim your strength towards real world issues you blood sucking media ****es.........but I digress...I understand the need for it and how people thirst to read about other peoples lives to escape theirs...kind of like how film is a form of escapism...so is reading People Magazine.
 
I think pop culture in terms of geek stuff has changed very drastically. It's now cool, very cool, to read comics and like Marvel and LOTR etc. As far as I'm concerned that was the complete opposite a decade and more ago
 
No you JJJ :D yes pop culture. As I get older the less patience I have with it all. I don't care who's having a baby, who's getting a divorce, who cut their hair. Just shut your mouths and aim your strength towards real world issues you blood sucking media ****es.........but I digress...I understand the need for it and how people thirst to read about other peoples lives to escape theirs...kind of like how film is a form of escapism...so is reading People Magazine.

You know that's just one aspect of pop-culture, right? The gif of Wolverine in your avatar is another. All pop-culture means is popular culture usually meant to signify contemporary trends, such as new fashion, styles of film, slang, whatever, and stands in contrast to permanent or static aspects of culture (like Americans liking guns, or the English enjoying tea).
 
Yeah definitely what Hyde is saying. All of the things we've been passionate about our entire lives...what we used to get crap for back in the day...is suddenly VERY trendy, very in fashion.

I think that comes from a place of the general populace realizing that being a geek or being into geeky material is really a representation of being unafraid to express yourself openly.

Look at it this way. We love superheroes because they're these larger than life figures that have qualities we wish to embody. We want to be strong, we want to be fearless and we want to be who we are without caring about ridicule.

Maybe general audiences and other people are looking at us in a similar fashion...and they want to associate with something that is somewhat larger than life as well.

We aren't just who we are...we're also everything we love and admire and I think people today really respond to our ability to go out into the world not giving a damn whether or not society approves of our love for Batman or Star Wars or Anime or whatever.

But simultaneously I think it's a pendulum swing, as most everything is. I think there's going to come a time where this stuff isn't in style again. We'll see.
 
I think pop culture in terms of geek stuff has changed very drastically. It's now cool, very cool, to read comics and like Marvel and LOTR etc. As far as I'm concerned that was the complete opposite a decade and more ago

Is it? Because comic sales are in the toilet now more than ever, afaik. Popular superhero movies does not translate into comics being popular.
 
I know. I guess thats just what I immediately associate pop culture with. I just wanted to vent and your thread was perfect for it.
 
Not a fan of the skinny jeans on men, well really everything skinny, jeans, tight fitted suits, tailored sure, but a lot of suits looking way to tight, i don't miss all the sagging pants, but it all looks uncomfortable. Plus the no socks look, stop it.
 
Yeah definitely what Hyde is saying. All of the things we've been passionate about our entire lives...what we used to get crap for back in the day...is suddenly VERY trendy, very in fashion.

I think that comes from a place of the general populace realizing that being a geek or being into geeky material is really a representation of being unafraid to express yourself openly.

Look at it this way. We love superheroes because they're these larger than life figures that have qualities we wish to embody. We want to be strong, we want to be fearless and we want to be who we are without caring about ridicule.

Maybe general audiences and other people are looking at us in a similar fashion...and they want to associate with something that is somewhat larger than life as well.

We aren't just who we are...we're also everything we love and admire and I think people today really respond to our ability to go out into the world not giving a damn whether or not society approves of our love for Batman or Star Wars or Anime or whatever.

But simultaneously I think it's a pendulum swing, as most everything is. I think there's going to come a time where this stuff isn't in style again. We'll see.

The question is does the general public like superheroes in a flimsy beanie baby way or in a more permanent James Bond kind of way.
 
Patton Oswald wrote an article a while ago suggesting the popularity of geek culture was a bad thing.

I forgot why exactly but I think it had to do with the over-saturation of geek culture which would make it too normalized.
 
Not a fan of the skinny jeans on men, well really everything skinny, jeans, tight fitted suits, tailored sure, but a lot of suits looking way to tight, i don't miss all the sagging pants, but it all looks uncomfortable. Plus the no socks look, stop it.

This is where I put my foot down. I will die before I buy tube socks
 
Is it? Because comic sales are in the toilet now more than ever, afaik. Popular superhero movies does not translate into comics being popular.

I know several people at my school who are like, "omg I have Batman comics!" or Marvel or whatever. The other day a friend of mine was Snapchatting me with her excitement that her Avengers vs X-Men graphic novel copy had arrived in the post. Pretty much everyone in the year above are all movie/comics nerds and I've been to a few of their marathons for LOTR and The Dark Knight Trilogy - and they're all the "cool" guys. Doctor Who and Sherlock are massively popular with the "cool" guys watching them. Often people from across the school come to me for movie news, even if I don't know them, and I have some sort of reputation of being the "go-to-guy" on whatever you want to know about future Marvel films, "if batman iz a marval caraktar" and whatnot.

Based on that alone, then yes, comics and geekery have seeped into the mainstream :oldrazz:
 
The question is does the general public like superheroes in a flimsy beanie baby way or in a more permanent James Bond kind of way.

Good point.

What I meant is that they see how open and passionate and expressive we are...and they want to be the same way. I think the dilemma comes when they think that WHAT we like (the geeky stuff) is the answer when it's not. It's HOW we like it.
 
Unfortunately, I think the current "obsession" with superheros and superhero movies is a fad, something that will eventually be replaced with something else. Of course, the die-hards will still be there (Comic-Con and the cosplayers that go with it), but the general populace will move onto another thing.

I'm not too happy with the current state of pop-culture, because it means perverting what we know and love (comics and superheros), and making reality TV stars popular and rich.
 
Good point.

What I meant is that they see how open and passionate and expressive we are...and they want to be the same way. I think the dilemma comes when they think that WHAT we like (the geeky stuff) is the answer when it's not. It's HOW we like it.


:up: And they're screwing that part up. I'm glad people are interested in the "geeky" stuff, but it's like what Twilight did to vampires. I can't believe for one second that the vampire/gothic culture that existed before Twilight is happy with what they did to it. I don't want that happening with the superheros/villains.
 
:up: And they're screwing that part up. I'm glad people are interested in the "geeky" stuff, but it's like what Twilight did to vampires. I can't believe for one second that the vampire/gothic culture that existed before Twilight is happy with what they did to it. I don't want that happening with the superheros/villains.

But people who pretend to be vampires kind had that one coming. :oldrazz:
 
I know. I guess thats just what I immediately associate pop culture with. I just wanted to vent and your thread was perfect for it.

Yeah, that's not pop culture (well all of pop culture). That's gossip.
 

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