Haters Gonna Hate...We Should Appreciate That

[Spider-Fan]

I'm in the Iron Man forum yesterday. I see Raimi bashing going on and this one guy proclaiming IM2's greatness of Raimi. Now, I have no problem with dissenting opinions on Raimi, SM3, etc. I have debated these endlessly, but I don't discourage debate on it (unless it takes my Raimi appreciation thread off-topic, but that is different since it's of topic for that thread).

The reply to my points criticising some aspects of IM2...I'm told I should leave the forum and take my negativity elsewhere

Am I the only person tired of this growing notion that you can't post negative on things? Seriously, when did this site become all about siding with popular opinion? I go to any forum, and if you bash say TDK, you get flamed. You praise Batman Forever, you get flamed. You say you are critical of IM2 (despite overall liking the movie), you're a hater!

I'm tired of the whining over people posting opposing opinions to yours. If we all agreed, this site would be boring. We'd have no real discussion or reason to come here. But anymore, that seems to be all any frequenters of those films or threads on that film want. Is this really good for the site?

Now, I know people ask why does someone post on a topic about something hey hated. Well, that is easy. Passion works 2 ways. It is not always about gushing and showing your love of something. Sometimes, showing your love and fanhood means bing critical and not accepting status quo. That goes for all areas of life, but for some reason, we have this mentality that being critical is somehow wrong.

I am not saying we all need to agree that something sucks or AGREE with opposing opinions. I just think we need to sit back, and appreciate that someone disagrees. Appreciate that we're not all automated pieces of machinery and capable of differing perceptions.

Is anyone else growing tired of this trend?

 

[Silvermoth]

I have encountered what Spider-fan has to say especially on the Captain America forums. Sometimes I'm not happy with something that I think is very important, like not censoring nazis and replacing them with Hydra and for that I get lots of complaints from the loverz got love brigade but it has taught me to be strong to my idealogy and to embrace the points of view that make me me and not a spambot desperately aping a recorded message for one intent or another.

So I take it as a positive experience. You never know, sometimes the controversial opinions you have might be met with by a fellow poster one day.

 

[C. Lee]

I've said it many times...there is a difference between not liking a movie and expressing that...and bashing it. There is also a difference between saying you don't like something...and making it your goal in life to attack everyone who does like it and try your damnest to change thier mind by relentlessly pounding them with your hate.

 

[THE MR. TERRIFIC]

Yeah I don't get the whole, "you can't have your own opinion thing". If you don't like it you don't like it. It's like if you don't like carrots. And people tell you that you have to like carrots or you're stupid! Ridiculous!

 

[Warhammer]

I've said it many times...there is a difference between not liking a movie and expressing that...and bashing it. There is also a difference between saying you don't like something...and making it your goal in life to attack everyone who does like it and try your damnest to change thier mind by relentlessly pounding them with your hate.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Spider-Man 3 sucked, Iron Man 2 sucked...Oh yeah, I went there.

In all seriousness though, I don't know why people attack other people for their opinion on a film. I couldn't really care less if someone liked or disliked a film. I mean, it's not going to change my view of it at the end of the day.

If someone gets offended by someone's opinion of a film, then I question that persons sanity.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have encountered what Spider-fan has to say especially on the Captain America forums. Sometimes I'm not happy with something that I think is very important, like not censoring nazis and replacing them with Hydra and for that I get lots of complaints from the loverz got love brigade but it has taught me to be strong to my idealogy and to embrace the points of view that make me me and not a spambot desperately aping a recorded message for one intent or another.

So I take it as a positive experience. You never know, sometimes the controversial opinions you have might be met with by a fellow poster one day.

Exactly! It's like on here, you can't say anything negative about TDK or even like SM3 without ridicule (yes, I LIKED SM3!!!), and that is ridiculous. This is a forum for all opinions, both good and bad. But, try telling that to the status quo/popular opinion nazis we have on here

I am excited for Cap and I am of the opinion it being Hydra over Nazis won't matter to me, but I strongly feel you have a right to disagree with me! I'l defend your right to say it to the death! Heck, I've even read posts with contradictory views to mine that I felt were very persuasive and strong. I don't know why we choose to limit ourselves. It seems to get worse each year.

I've said it many times...there is a difference between not liking a movie and expressing that...and bashing it. There is also a difference between saying you don't like something...and making it your goal in life to attack everyone who does like it and try your damnest to change thier mind by relentlessly pounding them with your hate.

I totally agree, we have trolls on here who argue to ridiculous extents and try to kill people's happy, and that is wrong. But, we have just as many apologists on here trying to take away my voice, and I strongly feel this is becoming an issue on both sides

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

I've seen people ***** about Ryan Reynolds hair for Green Lantern, I **** you not. That's how bad some posters are on here.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I think it's all about right place right time.

I mean if you go into the Irom Man 2 fan thread, and start posting that there were parts of the movie that you didn't like so much, OF COURSE it's not going to be met well.

But if you are posting slight negatives on more general threads i.e. 'Parts of good movies that annoy the hell out of you', then no one should accuse you of bashing.

The hardest place to define things like this is in casting threads, were every single poster who makes a suggestion will be met with some amount of bashing and some amount of defensive counter bashing will ensue.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

I've said it many times...there is a difference between not liking a movie and expressing that...and bashing it. There is also a difference between saying you don't like something...and making it your goal in life to attack everyone who does like it and try your damnest to change thier mind by relentlessly pounding them with your hate.

And yet that isn't what is being discussed right now. You seem to be implying that Spider-Fan "may" have been bashing the film in a way that could legitimately be called trolling. This is about someone merely being critical of a film's lesser points, in a way that isn't terribly negative and not at all "trolling", but being flamed for it. Just because you say "You know what? I didn't really think the final act in Iron Man 2 was very solid because of "X", "Y", and "Z"" doesn't mean you should be bashed. This happens alot, not just here but on many forums.

I've seen people ***** about Ryan Reynolds hair for Green Lantern, I **** you not. That's how bad some posters are on here.

And that is their opinion. So what if they complain? Its an opinion. It seems as if some people have found out that total compliance and agreement (becoming drones) is better than having their own opinion.

 

[C. Lee]

And yet that isn't what is being discussed right now.

He stated he was tired of people complaining about if he complained about a movie...I pointed out there are several types of complaining. Now you are complaining about my way of discussing the different types of complaints.

 

[Harriet Tubman]

He stated he was tired of people complaining about if he complained about a movie...I pointed out there are several types of complaining. Now you are complaining about my way of discussing the different types of complaints.

Oh, yes, that is right. Exactly what I just did.

/sarcasm.

I wasn't complaining, but merely stating that it seemed as if you were implying that he was taking his complaints to a level further than just "Oh, hey, this part was not so good".

But thanks for assuming you got my point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's the thing, it's not like I hound the IM forums and bash all positive comments. I just popped in for the first time in weeks and saw Raimi bashing and chose to offer a counter point. I wasn't trolling or anything, so that kind of response was unwarranted.

 

[Harls]

Spider-Man 3 sucked, Iron Man 2 sucked...Oh yeah, I went there.

In all seriousness though, I don't know why people attack other people for their opinion on a film. I couldn't really care less if someone liked or disliked a film. I mean, it's not going to change my view of it at the end of the day.

If someone gets offended by someone's opinion of a film, then I question that persons sanity.

I agree.

 

[Anubis]

That's the thing, it's not like I hound the IM forums and bash all positive comments. I just popped in for the first time in weeks and saw Raimi bashing and chose to offer a counter point. I wasn't trolling or anything, so that kind of response was unwarranted.

So, what you're saying is you saw somebody bashing what you like, so you bashed what they liked? That's trolling.

 

[Spider-Fan]

No, I debated their argument. That is NOT trolling. That is debating

It's called compare and contrast.

 

[E-Man]

Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love...

 

[Anubis]

Oh, I see, so he was blasting Rami by saying that IM 2 was the hottness or whatevs, and you simply came in and offered a rebuttal, to which he decided that you should be banished from the forum for, well, what did you say exactly? Tell the truth. Did you call the *****e nozzel a *****e nozzel?

 

[Anubis]

Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love...

And the apathetic gonna eat some nachos.

 

[Harry_Lime02]

I try to provide a balanced and respectful argument whatever I'm posting. The Zach Snyder thread when the news first broke is full of both extremes, and the more they argue, the more generalizations they make about eachother, the more both sides end up looking like huge tools.

But I agree this forum would be boring if it was full of like-minded people just nodding in agreement with eachother on every post. You gotta love a little debate now and then. And let's be honest, sometimes message board drama can be hilarious.

 

[Kane52630]

Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna love...

brb bathroom break

 

[Harriet Tubman]

No, I debated their argument. That is NOT trolling. That is debating

It's called compare and contrast.

Too many people now think providing a counterpoint to their point of view is trolling. Its bordering on hilarity.

 

[E-Man]

And the apathetic gonna eat some nachos.

I would never eat nachos at R. Kelly's house. I don't feel like trying any "souped" up nachos from him.

 

[C. Lee]

Oh, yes, that is right. Exactly what I just did.

I thought so.

/sarcasm.

Where?

I wasn't complaining,

Good to hear.

but merely stating

So much better than grandiously doing something.

that it seemed as if you were implying

If I was going to imply something I would give you subtle hints before hand.

that he was taking his complaints to a level further than just "Oh, hey, this part was not so good".

I caution you to watch your language there.

But thanks for assuming you got my point.

Anytime...I aim to serve.

 

[JAK®]

Hating something isn't as healthy as liking something. That's psychology.

It's true that some people mistake concern or annoyance for outright hate, however.

One thing I would never do is go to a forum about a film that has already been released for some time and say "this film was bad" because all that accomplishes is upsetting the fans.

Before release and for initial reviews it's fair game.