Hollywood Needs To Fail Again

[dark_b]

the problem with all the big franchises that will be connected is that they will compromise the story . i eman after Marvel.

i already see it. you watch a movie and you realize that there was almost no story. because there is a big trilogy story and no stand alones. so you need to watch the third movie to even get some character development.

big problem IMO

 

[jmc]

I just want original stuff. That's all, i want something new, I'm kinda sick of superheroes now unfortunately. Is it too much to ask for some big blockbuster that isn't a name brand? Without taking chances creativity suffocates, or moves elsewhere as has been shown with the rise in quality tv shows in recent years.

 

[Octoberist]

There are some like Tommorowland (I know, but the story itself is original) and Interstellar.

To be honest, the closet things we have that is 'original' is book adaptations. Sure there are fans of the books, but when the adaptation gets made, it's a huge gamble for the studio esp with the public. Almost unknown.

 

[Chance Jackson]

With Fast Five looking to be a huge success I think the big question could be raised again: Why would Hollywood even try to make original movies when they easily can make big money with sequels and stuff? I think you could say that we get the movies we deserve.

This

 

[dark_b]

lets ignore Jupiter Ascending.

 

[Lord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xpHS7_OpSk

And the situation will only get worse with the dawn of the "mega-franchises"

 

[matrix_ghost]

I have no problem with dumb blockbusters, i myself enjoy my fix of Pirates of the Caribbean, Indiana Jones or even the likes of Transformers, but i don't like how it's all about brands now. We still get things like Inception, The Life of Pi and Gravity, but they're still the exception, instead of more Star Wars or Spider-Man spin-offs, i think that those are the types of films we need.

Even some directors seem to be starting to be shoved on the side, Spielberg has stated recently that he has been having a problem with financing in his new films, even after all he did for the Industry in the first place, then you get the rising Directors from the 2000s like Sam Raimi and Gore Verbinsky, who seemed like they would have a bright future, however, they're almost forgotten by now.

I am curious though what Spielberg has said about him having problems financing his recent pictures. Do you have a link to the article(s).

 

[terry78]

Spielberg is old hat to some people sadly. He don't always automatically rake in the cash.

 

[Lord]

I believe it was from an article linked in another thread. Right now the most i'm finding is a quote at the begining of this site which states many individuals in Hollywood having Financing problems, including Steven Spielberg.

http://www.indiewire.com/article/why-are-people-frustrated-with-film-financing-maybe-they-arent-going-after-the-right-investors

 

[DA_Champion]

Paul Verhoeven is somebody else who can't get money to make his movies.

ComicBookGirl19 mentioned it in a recent podcast
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They went to a screening of Starship Troopers, and Paul Verhoeven showed up unannounced. He said he wants to make a Jesus movie but can't get funding.

 

[Rocketman]

I've changed my mind on the whole thing. We're getting plenty of original stuff. You just have to go see it. You got Nolan, Tarantino, Fincher, Spielberg, Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Jim Jarmusch, Darren Aronofsky... The list really doesn't end.

The problem in Hollywood is the over-budgeted crap. Ironically, the very name of this website contributes to the problem. If you're going to complain about it, don't see it. Otherwise, we'll get Transformers 5. FIVE of those things.

 

[-Arya-]

I've changed my mind on the whole thing. We're getting plenty of original stuff. You just have to go see it. You got Nolan, Tarantino, Fincher, Spielberg, Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Jim Jarmusch, Darren Aronofsky... The list really doesn't end.

The problem in Hollywood is the over-budgeted crap. Ironically, the very name of this website contributes to the problem. If you're going to complain about it, don't see it. Otherwise, we'll get Transformers 5. FIVE of those things.

Agreed. The fresh, innovative stuff is out there, but it's often overshadowed by more extravagant big budget movies.

 

[DA_Champion]

I did get to see Lego Movie, Noah, and Divergent this year, all of which is original, and typically better than Amazing Spider Man 2 / Captain America 2.

However, the latter will make more money.

 

[Marvin]

Hollywood success resembles apples current success. Telling them to stop doing what's working isn't exactly business 101. Supply and Demand in a market where the consumers validate the product with their consumption.

Hollywood is doing fine and when they fail, the consumers will again dictate what's next, not so much self important essay's.

The funny thing is that I myself saw a great deal of original, less action driven character films last year. A good amount of which were funded by the profits hollywood made on their other products. Kinda funny how that works.

 

[Donnie Darko]

lets ignore Jupiter Ascending.

There's also Edge of Tomorrow, which is probably at least planned as a big blockbuster.

There are plenty of original action movies out there (original in that they are not part of a big franchise). I mean, maybe it's just me, but I feel like all of the original ideas/movies are still out there, but we just have the franchises/sequels on top of them.

Also, it may seem like "same old, same old" to some people now, but just the IDEA of a connected Marvel cinematic universe was a huge risk and an original concept.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

I'm looking for the right thread to share this experience... I've seen Singer's X-Men duology since the last time I've seen it which was a very long time ago... and I miss that kind of filmmaking. The plots were very simplistic, the movies take time to build up its characters until we get to the action climax, the effects weren't flashy unlike these days where we get dazzling, "eye-popping" scenes in every frame of the movie. And the companies joining in the mega-franchise bandwagon is giving me headaches. I'm a DC fan, but I'm contented with we have from Marvel. The people behind WB/DC just don't know what to do with their characters (Snyder and Goyer, really?)

 

[Lord]

I don't think Transformers 4 is a problem, the franchise does in least give a closed movie and contains Michael Bay, even if you can argue about quality being better, i think that expanding Spider-Man or Star Wars are much worse for originaily in blockbusters due to the sheer amount of large productions associated with a previously known franchise you're releasing.

Marvel Cinematic Universe was a risky idea that paid off, the studio indeed deserves it, and on the very least, they're releasing new properties like Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man. It did its oun thing, not every studio needs to be like that, it's like with James Bond, not every film series needs to go on forever, but that one does and it deserves to.

 

[weezerspider]

I've changed my mind on the whole thing. We're getting plenty of original stuff. You just have to go see it. You got Nolan, Tarantino, Fincher, Spielberg, Scorsese, Wes Anderson, Jim Jarmusch, Darren Aronofsky... The list really doesn't end.

The problem in Hollywood is the over-budgeted crap. Ironically, the very name of this website contributes to the problem. If you're going to complain about it, don't see it. Otherwise, we'll get Transformers 5. FIVE of those things.

Yeah, there are plenty of great creative voices out there. Hollywood needs to stop over-budgeting and put a little(not a ton) more money towards the Paul Thomas Andersons and Alexander Paynes(and the names you mentioned).

 

[Heretic]

I've seen some great genre movies in the past few years...most of them direct to video.

But why the obsession with wanting to stop doing comic book movies? Where is the outcry to stop doing movies based on novels? Oh wait...that has never happened. Yet one of the best movies of last year (Blue is the Warmest Color) was based on a comic book...and the critics LOVED it (audiences ignored it). Don't blame the medium of comic books and all of the incredible stories in it just because the studios threw millions into making garbage like RIPD instead of Strangers in Paradise, Maus, Blankets, and The Tale of One Bad Rat for probably the same price.

The point is that there are good movies out there in Horror, Sci-Fi, movies based on comics etc. We just need studios willing to promote great, small films instead of spending 200 million on crap...and we need audiences willing to watch movies that are designed to do more than sell popcorn so studios will make more.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I definitely agree on over budgeting. It seems to especially be a problem with Disney (and I am a huge Disney supporter/defender). Neither John Carter nor Lone Ranger needed the budget they had. Actually, same with the Pirates sequels.

 

[terry78]

Even Edge of Tomorrow, if you wanna get anal, is based on the manga they chose to retitle. That's a loophole they tend to use more often.

 

[Octoberist]

I think the main complaint is the lack of variety in tentpoles, in which I can agree upon.

Let's say if you're not a comic book movie fan. Then there isn't a whole lot left during the summer season besides maybe comedies, animated films and very few indie movies. (Fall is their thing) This coming Summer, at least we have Godzilla, Tommorow, and even Jupiter Ascending.

That's why open my arms to The Hunger Games with open arms. Or when there's a Bond movie, I'm like "I miss you buddy!" Or you'll get a blending of author and genre, with Gravity, and I would give Cuaron a high five.

 

[redhawk23]

Even Edge of Tomorrow, if you wanna get anal, is based on the manga they chose to retitle. That's a loophole they tend to use more often.

Can we really complain about adaptations of new source materials though? Even the first Planet of the Apes was based on a book.

An adaptation of a new property is not the same thing as making the 7th X-Men film in 14 years or rebooting Nightmare on Elm Street.

 

[redhawk23]

For as much complaining as there is about the number of the superhero films every year, there are actually less of them than say costumed historical dramas, or cop films, or really any other genre you can throw out (Romantic comedies have kind of fallen off though).

 

[Octoberist]

Can we really complain about adaptations of new source materials though? Even the first Planet of the Apes was based on a book.

An adaptation of a new property is not the same thing as making the 7th X-Men film in 14 years or rebooting Nightmare on Elm Street.

Like what I've said earlier, adapting a new property is the closest thing to creating a new franchise/IP in the modern age.